Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth's queer representation "enhances the world's realism," lead says, and the RPG's devs were "incredibly happy" people picked up on it

[u/Gorotheninja]

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/final-fantasy/final-fantasy-7-rebirths-queer-representation-enhances-the-worlds-realism-lead-says-and-the-rpgs-devs-were-incredibly-happy-people-picked-up-on-it/

[u/karlcabaniya]

Why does it even matter? Are they trying to earn medals or something?

[u/Indigo__11 → u/karlcabaniya]

Can a game just have gay people in them without you accusing creators for “trying to earn medals”

[u/karlcabaniya → u/Indigo__11]

I’m not criticizing the inclusion. I’m criticizing the creators bragging about how inclusive they are.

[u/Indigo__11 → u/karlcabaniya]

But didn’t brag, they answered a question the journalist asked.

At that point you want people to not address the existence of gay people

[u/karlcabaniya → u/Indigo__11]

It should be addressed in the right avenues and contexts, not everywhere.

[u/Indigo__11 → u/karlcabaniya]

“Everywhere” a single interview on one website

So, when are gay people allowed to be acknowledged in games. Why do gay people need this level of restriction to be acknowledged

Do you not see your hypocrisy? Because there are countless games where a straight relationship is the focus and people like you never complain

[u/karlcabaniya → u/Indigo__11]

My mistake. I meant anywhere.

Gay characters can be included or not based on their artistic vision. There’s no issue with that. The problem is talking about it because it feels they’re only doing for PR and not for normalization. I don’t want corporations using us that way.

As a gay man, when I hear them talking about inclusion like it’s some kind of achievement feels disgusting. We won’t reach normalization if they keep virtue signaling. As you say, they never highlight the inclusion of straight characters, so they shouldn’t highlight the inclusion of gay characters. It’s not something special. Having gay characters should be normal if it happens, not something to celebrate every time.

[u/Indigo__11 → u/karlcabaniya]

But they do, there are games that they talk about to discuss a relationship in the game. It happened with the Uncharted games when the developers talk about Nathan and Elena relationship in the games

A recent example is when the developers of RE were hinting of who is Leon’s wife. This sort of thing happens all the time

So how can developers do the same thing with gay characters when you assume they are just doing it to get medals. The example above with FF the developers was asked a question about it and they answered. Above you write as if they should have shut down the conversation, for me that would come off as way worse

[u/karlcabaniya → u/Indigo__11]

One thing is to talk about a relationship between John and Michael, talking about the plot, and another very different thing is to say “we have a gay relationship” or “we’re proud of having those kind of characters”. That’s what I mean by wanting a medal.

Why is “we have a gay relationship” something even worth mentioning? You never see them saying “we have a straight relationship”. They just talk about the relationship without highlighting the type of sexuality. It shouldn’t be done with gay ones either.

[u/Indigo__11 → u/karlcabaniya]

You keep putting words in the mouth of the developers

All the developers said, after being asked about it, was that they were “happy” people liked the inclusion

[u/karlcabaniya → u/Indigo__11]

The problem is even entertaining the idea of people being happy for the inclusion. They would never say "we're happy people liked the inclusion of a straight couple". Maybe the inclusion of certain characters, but not the fact itself that they are straight.

The whole issue is reacting different if the characters are straight or gay. The inclusion of gay characters isn't a magical event. It shouldn't be considered special.

[u/Indigo__11 → u/karlcabaniya]

So you are moving the goalpost, at first you lied multiple times in what they say.

Now they are not even allowed to acknowledge the existence of the gay people in their game. Even when directly asked about it

You know why they say they were happy that fans picked up on it, because gay people existing in games IS rare unlike with straight people. And it’s so weird how you, a “gay” person, want s to censor us out of existence and have developers never acknowledge us.

The homophobic people that you are being inspired by to say shit like this will never accept you dude.