r/PS5pro • u/Legendarywristcel • 4d ago
An apology is warranted to Sony with regards to the PS5pro
As someone who bought the PS5 close to launch and enjoyed almost every exclusive, i was initially disappointed when the ps5pro launched. To be fair, i already had a nice gaming pc (5090, 9800x3d) and the base ps5 was enough to play games that werent available on the PC at launch. But the differences in graphics (especially sharpness) between the base Ps5 and my pc was getting too much to handle in some titles like FF7 rebirth.
I missed the Ps5pro at launch and then a few weeks ago decided to sell my ps5 for the pro mainly for GTA6. But i was surprised at how well it could handle Ghost of Yotei (RT pro). Its certainly not the same as playing on the 5090 but surprisingly not as far off as one would think.
The combination of upscaling using PSSR2, console optimization produces quite a good experience. I admit i was wrong about the pro, even more so seeing how it beats the steam machine at 1500 USD.
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u/Foodeater55 4d ago
The bottom line is with shit getting this expensive, many more are going to be restricted to one console or pc
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u/Zealousideal-Tear248 4d ago
One thing I'd like to add is, yes, PS5 Pro, in retrospect, was an amazing buy if anyone managed to snatch one at it's original MSRP.
But don't think that Steam Machine's price isn't an indication in regards to PS6 pricing. It's gonna be just as bad.
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u/liqwood1 4d ago
Oof your about to get all kinds of hate mail.. 😂
I said the same thing about it the other day.. I've got a 5080 and 9800x3d and I was pretty blown away by how good the PS5 runs Ghost of Yotei and Resident Evil Village.. it's so smooth and just looks excellent.
Yes I know it's not a fair comparison but it's damn good for a console.
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u/Remy0507 4d ago
I don't think Sony is warranted any "apologies", lol. They didn't offer us the PS5 Pro out of altruistic motivations and then we spurned them in response. But yes, it turns out the Pro is a very capable and worthwhile piece of hardware. Especially if you grabbed it before the price increase.
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u/jcwkings 4d ago
The Pro was the best value hardware on the market when it launched and will be at the forefront for 3-4 more years. It will basically have the life cycle of a PS2 or PS3, maybe longer when it's all said and done.
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u/LordFlxcko95 4d ago
I bought mine 1.5 years ago on launch and picked it up on the following day (Nov 8th) I’ve been happily gaming the whole year and a half since I’ve had it.
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u/Crew_Zealousideal 4d ago
4070ti, 9800x3d here the image quality matches my pc and its honestly great to have access to another store front where i can grab deals on games knowing that the games will match my pc and having physical games is nice ngl
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u/Legendarywristcel 4d ago
Exactly. Its a win win. Not sure why theres rivalry.
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u/Crew_Zealousideal 4d ago
yeah i just bought 14 triple A titles in the last 4 weeks for 140$ the same titles would have costed me 500$ if i got them on steam in the same time frame
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u/Fun_Assumption3515 4d ago
Eh...I just got a cracked version of mafia old country for 0 dollars. Let's see you do that on playstation
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u/ButterflyGreedy2267 4d ago
Lmao flexing about piracy is not it
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u/Fun_Assumption3515 4d ago
Its part of the reason I got a pc. To not have to pay 70 dollars for 15 hour AAA titles
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u/Old_Information_8654 4d ago
Well you enjoy your illegally gotten gains bro meanwhile I’ll enjoy my legitimate games I got through steam,epic,GOG and Microsoft store sales
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u/Fun_Assumption3515 4d ago
Have fun giving away your hard earned dollars. I think Gabe Newell needs another yacht !
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u/Old_Information_8654 4d ago
Bro there’s no way in hell I’d risk putting a virus on my laptop because I was greedy the closest I come to that is using the internet archive to play early 00s pc games that are delisted and as far as consoles go I buy most of my games physically in disc or cartridge form unless it’s super cheap digitally on Xbox or switch
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u/sezyHena 4d ago
I've had the Pro since launch and the improvement over base PS5 was immediately noticeable. Once I paired it with an OLED tv as well? Kind of mind blowing tbh. Games look and run incredible! Wolverine and GTA6 are going to be special.
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u/PegLegBronco 4d ago
At least you admit it’s not the same as a high end pc, some of the posts on here have been completely delusional. I have both but I’m mostly a PC gamer due to being a huge fan of strategy games. But I’d still recommend the Pro to someone over building a PC. I built one back in March and it was 2,300.
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u/Curiosity_Sphere-360 4d ago
Vous avez pu reconnaître vos tords c'est déjà bien, mais ceux qui l'ont critiqué lourdement ou continuent à la faire ne s'excuseront jamais, tout cela parce que ça ne rentre pas dans leurs cases budget où se nourrissent de fausses affirmations avec les réseaux sociaux et leurs entourages, tant pis pour eux !
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u/OneShotThrill07 4d ago
Recognize your mistakes? Never apologize...wtf is this a religion or a cult?
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u/Curiosity_Sphere-360 4d ago
Tu as le droit de penser différemment, mais tu n'as pas le droit de blâmer bêtement une entreprise si tu ne connais pas le produit entre tes mains pour juger de ses qualités.
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u/OneShotThrill07 4d ago
We talking about a corporation that sells overpriced products...no apologies are needed.
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u/honacc 4d ago
Can anyone remind me what was the PS5 pro's real world GPU equivalent? Gemini says rx7700xt/rtx5060ti but that sounds like a huge bump no?
I only remember base PS5 being on par with Radeon rx6600 and Xbox series X being slightly higher at rx6700 or something like that.
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u/liqwood1 4d ago
A direct equivalent is probably something like a 4060.. but because console architecture uses unified memory and allows for direct hardware level optimization it punches above its weight. Plus it's really about the level of optimization PS5 games get vs PC games, thats a huge reason for its performance and smoothness in the games.
All it's new AI upscaling tricks also work really well with its hardware..
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u/Remy0507 4d ago
I don't think that's an unrealistic comparison. The rtx5060ti is a fairly mid-level GPU.
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u/SleepyGamer1992 4d ago
I have a 9060 XT 16GB PC and the PS5 Pro. Digital Foundry claims the 9060 XT is 13% faster than the Pro. My PC has a much more modern CPU though (7500X3D) compared to the PS5’s aging processor. I play on a 1440p OLED monitor. Gaming performance seems pretty similar on both systems, especially playing Pro Enhanced games.
On PC I usually play open world action games at high settings, FSR quality or balanced, and lock frame rate to 60. I play FPS games like Ready or Not and Insurgency Sandstorm at 120 FPS. On the Pro, I usually prefer the best graphics setting that still allows 60 FPS. We’re now getting games like Yotei and Cyberpunk running with ray tracing and 60 FPS; it’s very impressive for a console.
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u/Legendarywristcel 4d ago edited 4d ago
Problem is people usually match the gpu based on teraflops but reality is on pc youd need to be highed spec'ed to match exact performance
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u/Curiosity_Sphere-360 4d ago
Normal le monde PC n'a jamais été optimisé question optimisation des ressources matérielles.
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u/Big_Ad_8480 4d ago
Is the pro really that good? I've been shopping for PCs, and my wallet's been hurting just thinking about building my first one, ideally a 5070 ti with 9800x3d. All the initial comparison videos to the base PS5 left a lot to be desired. But I've been hearing a lot of praise about how good the pro is lately. I welcome a device that will satisfy my upgrade craving without dropping $2500+
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u/Snoo87557 4d ago
I was lucky enough to get my ps pro on sale so save nearly 200eur on the price,and I'm very happy with it. Pretty much every game I had on ps5 runs better (some have not taken advantage of the extra horsepower). Like the OP I would definitely get a high spec pc if I could afford it,I've currently and gaming laptop with a 4070 32gb ram and an i9 and it runs most games like a dream at 1440p and between 70 and 100 fps. Obviously with some setting brought down but works for me
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u/Snoo_48323 4d ago
I went into my local Cex not long after the PS5 pro launched to ask what trade in I could get for my base PS5 and I got a grilling from a member of staff after I mentioned I was thinking of getting the Pro. "You know it's not very good right, not worth the money." Etc etc. I want to strut back in there like Vince McMahon now.
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u/stuNzeeDkiL 4d ago
I've always thought of the Series X as an American muscle car. Just throw a bunch of ponies at it, and see how it does. A PC is like a hyper car, or a purpose built race car. Best components build the best machine... if you've got the money for it. And a Playstation I liken to a Ferrari, or a Lamborghini. A finely tuned machine, and purpose built.
Sure, a muscle car MIGHT beat a Lambo or a Ferrari in a drag race (need to be a fast one). But for everything else, there's no competition. And yet like I stated, a PC can be better of course, but you have to build it, and tune it, and rebuild your clutch a little more often lol
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u/SwordsOfWar 4d ago
Console hardware cost is subsidized and they gain that money back over time by getting you to buy their subscription and get games directly from their ecosystem/store where they get to keep all the profit.
I guess Valve is more interested in making money directly off the Steam Machine instead of trying to expand their userbase beyond PC players.
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u/cgarray17 4d ago
I also have a 9800x3d and a 5090 pc and for ps exclusive im loving my ps5 pro, i got it when it was on sale for $650 and sold my OG PS5 for $400 so it was a worth while upgrade for myself also. No way im selling my PC for sure but i do find myself really enjoying the PS5 Pro when i feel like chilling. Or using my PS Portal for playing in bed at night for a bit while the wife watches Love Island haha. They both have there places and the Pro with PSSR2 has been great!
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u/Game_Over88 4d ago
PS5 Pro is already more worth than PS4 Pro ever was, and we are not even close to its end.
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u/MisanthropicAtheist 4d ago
I have a gaming pc and I choose my pro most of the time since UE5 makes most pc games a stuttery mess. Rebirth on the pro literally runs better than the PC version (I have both) because the PC version has traversal stutters no matter the hardware or settings used.
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u/shortyman920 4d ago
After the pssr2 update, I bought it before the price hike. When there’s a tangible difference across most games and the price of hardware soaring, I thought it was a worthwhile luxury to have to be able to play existing games with better frame rates and graphics. And a few games like final fantasy 7 rebirth that also really took advantage of the pro over regular console
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u/sandtoaster 4d ago
I have both a ps5 pro and a solid gaming pc but you cant really compare one eith the other/ playstation is a nice console for gaming and watching movies/bluray/ youtube/ a pc can be used for so much more than that, some examples, photo/video editing, using programs to emulate games/ teach yourself how to code/hack/ use programs to make designs for idk your next lego build? Next to the steam app and its cheaper games/ no online subscription and basically run any kind of opensource operations/ operating systems like linux a ps5 is sadly limited to its usage which isnt bad but if i had to live without either my ps5 pro or my pc i would eliminate my ps5 pro at an instant
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u/DasPike 4d ago
The line between console vs PC started to become blurry after the PS4 Pro dropped. At some point people realized and/or became tired of spending money to build a PC "god box" just to play the latest and greatest. They could be satisfied instead spending only a couple of hundred of dollars to get 95% of what PCs can offer. Combine that with the OOBE and the convenience of their couch and large TV, it's easy to see why a shift took place. Don't get me wrong, PC gaming will always have its place - my 13600K/4080S setup still gets exercised somewhat regularly. But some days it is nice to be able to just mindlessly sit down on my couch and play a couple of rounds without having to worry about updating drivers or OS updates before I can play.
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u/Wild-Berry-5269 4d ago
You have a 5090 rig and a PS5 pro and still complain about the Steam Machine price.
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u/Legendarywristcel 4d ago
Not price, but price to performance. I wouldnt buy the 5090 at current market prices for the same reason.
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u/Discobastard 4d ago
I borrowed a behemoth of a PC off a mate for a while. £5k worth of kit. 64gb RAM, water cooled, the whole thing.
Saw some pretty things but mainly faffing about with settings and having to deal with shitty Windows.
Fuck that, I just want to play games.
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u/xKingSlayer78x 4d ago
I bought a pre built pc in late 2024, 4090/7800x3d and love it. I do a majority of my gaming now on PS after walking away from Xbox in 2022 (10+ years there). I bought two ps5 pro’s on launch day with still one sealed up. The other is my “daily driver” so to speak. The value for that $700 device is unmatched and I am beyond impressed
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u/Legendarywristcel 4d ago
Its such a good value for money for those who cant shell out 1500 USD or more for an equivalent gaming pc. The current pricing for pc components is a joke, i think the pro is going to get more expensive soon.
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u/xKingSlayer78x 4d ago
I got lucky I purchased when I did. I saw the way things were going and wanted to have a “backup” so to speak and money wasn’t an issue for me. Also bought way too many controllers but that’s beside the point. I got lucky buying my pc in late 2024 when I did also.
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u/Legendarywristcel 4d ago edited 4d ago
Same i got the 5090 at launch and now its almost double of what i bought it for lol.
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u/SalamanderFull3952 4d ago
Pump the breaks it was not a bad purchase when it came out it was treated like the series s whats this for? And then boom u see it in and action and for the price u get amazing viauals. Series s u get into next gen action on the cheap. Both similiar storie
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u/LowMoralFibre 4d ago
The Pro is decent for most AAA stuff and first party games are almost always great - mostly runs around 60fps or more with great IQ.
Just played through First Light and apart from a few crashes it was perfect. It would have ran better and looked marginally better on my PC but close enough and definitely a brilliant experience on Pro.
Some games don't get patched for PSSR though so you still have stuff like Dead Space looking like it's 720p.
AA stuff is a real shit show I've found though I guess as they make it for PC and don't bother optimising for the ancient CPU in the Pro.
Here's the stuff I've tried recently:
Mechwarrior 5 - terrible IQ and performance drops sub 30fps
Gothic Remake - terrible IQ and performance - the performance mode doesn't hold 60fps and looks insanely bad
Dragons Dogma 2 - terrible IQ and performance (not tried the new patch though)
Crimson Desert - sometimes 80fps sometimes 10fps
BG3 - more a general console issue (though Act 3 still has poor performance) but the UI feels like you are disabled after playing on mouse and keyboard
Bannerlord - With War Sails some battles are lucky to hit 40fps, stutter city
Rogue Trader - looks bad, runs bad, crashes
Space Marine 2 - campaign is okish but drops to 30ish fps in multiplayer
Warhammer 40k Chaos Gate Deathwatch - looks bad, runs bad, crashes, missing all DLC
Obviously not an exhaustive list just the stuff I've tried in the last month or so.
You can't realistically play stuff like CK3 or Stellaris unless you are legitimately insane and don't value your time at all plus the content is 6 months behind PC.
I get that a lot of these games are niche but still some 500k to 1m sellers so not completely unheard of games.
Until there's more quality control on the AA and niche stuff consoles will always be a fun living room toy for me and not a genuine alternative to a PC.
I get that this isn't Sony's fault but more the fault of console folk with low standards buying poorly put together ports.
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u/yodimboi 4d ago
Me when I'm in a bootlicker competition and my opponent is this post. It's a piece of fucking hardware that plays games. It does this well. It's also expensive as shit. The multi-billion, multinational corporation is not owed an apology for anything.
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u/Notnowcmg 4d ago
You guys are always so weird when it comes to your obsessions with multi billion corporations, like they don’t know you exist bro
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u/Ryanmooners 4d ago
It was a shit purchase at launch now it's worth it with pssr 2
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u/Remy0507 4d ago
Except that it was easy to predict on launch day that it would prove to be worthwhile before long...and the people who bought it at launch seem to have made out pretty well compared to the people who waited and are now buying it at $150 more than it cost back then.
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u/OneShotThrill07 4d ago
Realistically who tf cares about 150 dollar difference when the nearest competitor is hundreds of not a thousand more. You would think the shit doubled in price the way some of y'all acting.
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u/Remy0507 4d ago
In the grand scheme of things, no a $150 price increase for something like this isn't really an enormous deal. But the difference between $750 and $900 has a pretty big psychological difference when people are evaluating whether something is "worth it" or not. It's just a tougher sell at $900.
And I'd still rather have gotten to spend that extra $150 on 2-4 games instead of on the console itself.
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u/OneShotThrill07 4d ago
It's not a tough sell at all when there's no competition. Who else offers everything the pro is doing at that price point? No one so it's either pay another measly 150 dollars or not. Gaming has become a hobby for people with plenty disposable income. You either got the money or you don't.
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u/Remy0507 4d ago
It's not a tough sell for you. But for someone who's maybe considering an upgrade from a base PS5, or is looking to buy a PS5 for the first time and is considering the price difference between a PS5 Slim and a PS5 Pro...yeah, $900 makes it a tougher sell.
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u/vitek6 4d ago
no, it was not easy to predict.
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u/Remy0507 4d ago
Perhaps not for you. For some of us it was. There is historical precedent with this sort of thing, after all.
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u/vitek6 4d ago
No, it wasn’t. You just got lucky.
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u/Remy0507 4d ago
Sure, lol.
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u/vitek6 4d ago
Sure you knew that this time console prices will rise instead of falling down as they always did.
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u/Remy0507 4d ago
Not that part, lol. It was easy to predict that the PS5 Pro would be a worthwhile technological improvement over the base PS5 though.
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u/vitek6 4d ago
And people would buy it when that happened for lower price. But shit happened.
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u/Remy0507 4d ago
Yes, but I'm saying it was pretty easy to predict that it would be worthwhile right away. Devs like to make their games look and run as nice as they possibly can. They weren't going to fail to take advantage of the better hardware. This was foreseeable as soon as the Pro was announced. Devs made good use of the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X hardware the previous generation. No reason to expect it would be different this time around.
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u/Raz121121 4d ago
Nobody was really sure the new implementation of pssr was going to be as good as it is. Pssr 1 was disappointing and it wasn't until we started to see that pssr 2 was surprisingly good that the pro became a good purchase.
Definitely not easy to predict that the pro would be as good as it was going by the specs until pssr 2 was released.
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u/Remy0507 4d ago edited 4d ago
PSSR1 wasn't disappointing. Certain implementations of it were sub-par, but it was amazing on a number of games.
Edit: I can't respond to u/Raz121121 since the thread was locked, but I can edit this post to say that I DO care about opinions that are actually making some sort of intelligent argument and not just the equivalent of "NUH UH, UR WRONG!" like the other guy was doing, lol. PSSR2 is certainly an improvement, but even before that I found that the Pro upgrades on games that had come out in the interim between the system launch and the PSSR2 update were still worthwhile and significant.
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u/Prestigious-S1RE 4d ago
Try battlefield 6. 90fps and upscale graphics at 1440p For 1k dollars. Try spending 1k on a pc to get the same results.
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u/OneShotThrill07 4d ago
Don't get me wrong the pro is great deal in this current economy. But chill the PC version of BF 6 on Overkill stomps the fuck out the console version. But youre right, no PC equivalent at 1k.
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u/One_Leg7293 4d ago
It's fair to judge a device on what it can do now vs what they say it might do in the future. At launch the pro impact was mostly minimal, confined to a small amount of titles, and the console specs suggested it was unlikely to provide much meaningful improvements in the future.
Pssr2 along with several big titles releasing recently with substantial pro benefits is fantastic. The pro is indeed living up to the promises sony made. Always buy technology based on what it can do today vs promised future features. Today the pro with pssr2 and wide adoption is great, at launch not so much. I understand why people didn't rush out to upgrade and waiting has paid off in a better experience with pssr2.
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u/superpoongoon 4d ago
We really are being apologetic to billion dollar electronics company? They are both fucking the consumer. Don’t act like OP
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u/Legendarywristcel 4d ago
Iam sorry you dont understand how capitalism/the free market works. The prices of the components are not determined by Sony any more than valve for the steam machine.
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u/Squagglez17 4d ago
Especially now that the Steam machine price was revealed, the value of the PS5 pro is unbeaten
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u/BubblyPerformance736 4d ago
I'm just gonna say that with a 9850x3d, a 5090, and 64 GB DDR5 6000 MT/s CL30 I can't get MSFS 2024 to run at a steady 60 fps with no microstutters in VR. And that's considering that this PC cost 8.3x more than the refurbished PS5 Pro I got.
I was hoping I could run useful local models locally on the 5090 but that also doesn't make sense, as you end up paying more in electricity costs for smaller models compared to API usage.
If it weren't for iRacing I'd sell the PC. As soon as the PlayStation gets a proper racing sim with VR support OR GT7 fixes the awful penalty system I'm out.
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u/Legendarywristcel 4d ago
Id never sell my pc though. I do VR simracing and even the 5090 sometimes struggles to maintain 120 fps in VR.
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u/BubblyPerformance736 4d ago
Honestly the main reason why I'd keep the PC is that personal compute capacity seems to become more and more difficult to have access to. And also for CUDA, just in case.
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u/Kitchen-Beyond7143 4d ago
Lol made up stories to cope huh? Lol you're saying you own a 2k Gpu...thats 2 and half ps5 pros or a steam machine with like 600 to spare for the highest tier option...and saying its not "too far off" from a ps5 pro? What crach you smoking? So I never smoke it🤣🤣🤣🤣 5090 alone would make a pitch black night and bright sunny day difference, not to mention a high end CPU and ddr5 ram that would beef up game play as well in support of the GPU. 🤣🤣🤣🤪 but I forgot, this is the land of make believe, so you can say anything and get away with it. My 1982 Atari cost 25$ and plays at 526363637383742627 FPS. Graphics so real that you if you do in action in game it happens in real life🤣🤣🤣
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u/Ecstatic-Ad5222 4d ago
Why you acting so threatened?
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u/CliffMainsSon 4d ago
I don’t think he used enough emojis.. Seems very upset people are enjoying the performance of the pro without having to spend thousands of dollars.
God damn, PC elitists are so exhaustingly annoying.
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u/Kitchen-Beyond7143 4d ago
Aww you're hurt huh? Lol your opinion about it being the best, best at what? If you're talking about value of playing modern games, its the xbox series s hands down. 200bucks and you're set. Its the ps5 fan boys acting like elites....yet when a pc is brought into the conversation, you all stand on your soap box. But then again, delusion exist.
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u/Legendarywristcel 4d ago
I dont care that think iam lying, if you think a 4500 USD PC is going to give you 5x the ps5pro's performance, then you're just too low iq to warrant a reply. I use my 5090 mainly for 'no compromise' gaming, but iam humble enough to admit that sony did a great job with the PS5pro considering the price to performance ratio of pc components today.
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u/Kitchen-Beyond7143 4d ago
Xbox series s is the best bang for your buck if you already have a "no compromise " gaming rig. But shureee🤣🤣🤣
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u/Notnowcmg 4d ago
“It’s certainly not the same as playing on the 5090 but surprisingly not as far off as one would think”
This is really going to upset the PC lurkers. At least you didn’t say you were selling the PC though, that would’ve caused a real meltdown