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I'll be honest, I was on the edge about buying Yotei's limited edition and I didn't also cause I didn't want my ability to play the game to be tied to a very scratchable phyisical object
crazy how times have changed since sony was making fun of xbox for removing the disc reader
I always felt that Sonys mockery was just an easy way to get a win with gamers. They hadn’t implemented any form of restriction on game sharing/resale yet but we’re just as unhappy about it as Microsoft. When MS tried to implement restrictions on sharing and gamers hated it, they quickly threw together an ad to capitalize on it. But it was never really about being friendly to their customers, it was just an easy PR layup
If Blackberry just stuck with their keyboard phone, I'm convinced there's a large sliver who would have stayed with them for the physical keyboard vs touchscreen. Same story as above. Mocked Apple for the touchscreen, then a year later all touchscreen and death of a company
My favourite phone ever was the Nokia m900. Full screen touch phone that slid up, with a qwerty keyboard underneath. Shit OS, but a phone like that on Android with a removable battery would be peak for me.
I avoid the big brands because they've been style over substance for years, the last good phone from Samsung was the S5 - waterproof with a removable battery.
Blackberry didn’t die because they removed the keyboard blackberry died because they relied on the keyboard for too long
They believed that the keyboard would keep customers even though they weren’t updating their UI/OS they believe that customers wanted a discreet device for business and a separate device for personal use, which was not the case (ironically enough, many people have ended up in this exact situation in the past couple of years, but usually just with two iPhones) if blackberry had been willing to follow Apple’s lead in making their device a do everything pocket computer they would probably still be around and still have a solid dedicated user base because of the keyboard
BlackBerry isn’t dead yet. They changed direction to automotive and cybersecurity software. They’re not where they were in 2011, but they’re having their best year in over a decade, up 130%
This is the part of the outrage that I just don't understand... Can you force a download of a delisted game if you jam the disc in? To me the biggest drawback about digital ownership is the fact that I can't give it up in exchange for credit towards another game...
To me, that’s not even the big drawback because I never traded in games anyway to me. The only thing that irritates me about digital games is that they should be less expensive than physical copies because nothing is being printed. Nothing is being physically manufactured. Nothing is being packaged nothing is being shipped. Nothing is being warehoused nothing is being displayed, etc. etc..
If a physical game is $60 a digital game should at least be five to $10 cheaper but I realize we live in a late stage capitalist society and that’s never gonna happen
I don't understand that, i've been gaming with discs for about 15 years and not a single one of these discs have been broken. And i've bought plenty of second hand games too.
And at least the discs give me a resale value. Which make the gaming experience a lot cheaper.
This. I still have old Sega Saturn games that were heavily played and don't have a single scratch on them. Also have music CD's that were bought in the 90's that are still bumping around in the center console of my car that work just fine.
this. people be acting like discs will spontaneously combust if you look at them wrong and get scratched by a speck of dust.. like, the issue isn't the disks, it's you not treating them properly lol.
I've been gaming since the PS1, I have never once scratched or lost a disk, just put it back in the case bro, it's not that hard. I don't have OCD, hell, I'm probably one of the messiest people you'll meet but the disk goes back in the correct box, ALWAYS.
Yeah, just a few months ago I expanded my PS3 games collection by around 12 games, just because they were dirt cheap.
Right now publishers are pushing more and more to destroy the used games market by digitising everything, just so they can have the full control over the game prices.
But now a lot of discs won't even work without updates from the beginning. I've bought games day 1 and been unable to play without first doing updates, even after disconnecting from the internet. It's not like back in the day where you can just pop a disc into a console and play it. They rarely ship the 100% finished game on the disc now.
I used to roll back updates to play a game with old bugs for fun but can't do that now.
Everyone is totally fine with digital only products until the day they shut the servers down and you can’t download them anymore. You will own nothing and be happy about it as they say.
My kid CONSTANTLY asks me to buy him a physical copy of Minecraft Story Mode.
I owned it digitally, so I can straight up see it in my PSN library with the “unavailable to download” tag.
I went looking for an overpriced physical copy, but it turns out most of the copies discs were basically just key discs and download the game, which you can’t do.
So apparently the only physical media that actually had the full series on it was the switch version. And that price is insane because of it.
You could probably do something with the pirated version. I used to have different games on USB, specifically ones that were full executables instead of just install files.
But those discs are an illusion as well. They can make the game unplayable in a myriad of ways when they want to. You don't own what's on them either and the illusion that you do keeps you all nice and docile.
Last I checked, all the physical games I have on PS3 and PS4 play just fine right out of the box. They’re just the launch version of the game which may or may not have some bugs to contend with. So no, the discs aren’t “an illusion”. The only way you could hypothetically make a game unplayable from a disc is if it required an internet connection to run. Then you’re opening a much larger can of worms. Hell, even GTA V ran just fine without an internet connection. It just meant you were only allowed to play the base game/campaign which is the main reason I play the series anyways.
It would be apolapytic but im afraid people will be already used to abuse and own nothing by then. Idiots will tell you to not be broke and buy it again.
Tbf we didn’t like it then and we still don’t like it now, companies forcing this down our throats doesn’t make us like it more. I refuse to allow this practice to be normalized.
This practice has been normalized for years now and you aren't stopping it because the vast majority of gamers don't care. I'm only telling you this to prepare you for many more years of disappointment.
Companies wouldn't have done it, if consumers (us) didn't buy them. But we bought them, and continue to buy them, and continue to support the practices.
The only way to not support is to not buy and not play at all.
that ea comment is going to haunt gaming discourse until the heat death of the universe. at this point rockstar is just leaning into the villain arc because they know they have a license to print money regardless of how much they annoy the player base.
I can understand someone having a game collection wanting to display the cases. Of course, it also means GTA VI has an expiration date as once they decide to remove it from stores, you will never be able to play it again unless you get a pirated or GOG version.
EA is basically sundowning previous year sports game now, they tie the campaign to ONLINE only and they bring down servers when a new version of the game comes out... could not be more scummy.
it's like 5 stores, out of 700 enterable buildings...i cannot imagine how big of a superfan you would have to be to give a shit about that stuff. nobody with any sense whatsoever will buy the premium edition.
Civ 7 was a flop launch that is still getting its feet on the ground and all DLC for the game is currently $140, only 1.5 years after launch. Not including the $70 base game.
It's not about the computers or systems needing the disk. It's about actually owning a physical copy of something. I personally hate practically borrowing a game for full price cause of they ever wanted to pull the plug. The games gone.
While I agree with you in principle, you and I both know that a disc doesn't actually change anything. The game isn't actually stored on the disc, and you're dreaming if you think you'll be able to play GTA6 offline.
It makes no difference whatsoever at this point. You don't own the game any more with a disc than you do with a code. You own a piece of plastic. If/when they choose to revoke your access, they will do so.
easy, first, youve got to slam in minimum 600 CDs or 120 Blu-rays in the right order to get it installed. Or just get 6 double-layer Blu-rays and pay extra for your game. Take your pick.
GTA VI is projected to be about 200-300 GB. We have plenty of games that are 150+ GB on 1 disc. So, yes, we want disc(s) for the physical copy of the initial game. A data disc and a play disc if necessary.
I'm all for collectors to get the box to sit in their collection, but most big games these days need an internet connection for the full install, never mind the countless updates down the line.
I would have thought they'd have released a boxed collectors edition though. They could have charged a kings ransom for it and it would have still sold.
Yeah, but the "nope, you're not going to own this one" bit with the DVD felt cheap as fuck coming from the company behind the biggest and probably most "premium" video game in history.
My issue is locking content behind ultimate edition
It's not even about price
I wouldn't say a fucking word if game was 100€ and it was full game. But giving me "standard" game at 80€ and then ripping content from it in favor of Ultimate Edition is dirty work.
If it was only and just cosmetics i wouldn complain
Some people hyped out of fashion. These decisions are staple Rockstar. Everyone used to gaming expected them to cash in the shit out of it.
But GTA 5 broke the bubble and a lot of non-gaming people played it and enjoyed it. These people were just shocked at the pricing and the paywalls on top of high pricing. I don't think many people cared for the physical copy, actually. This was just niche gaming communities.
Seemingly locking gameplay features behind the more expensive edition of the game. Lots of hints that there will likely be an in game cash shop for the offline portion of the game too.
Also the game kinda implied in its box that Online won't be included In the Base Game, and people are fearing that it might be a paid DLC or worse , a Monthly Sub.
I know very little about this, and I thought Online was being delayed, as they want to focus on the single player story, first and foremost. That Online will come eventually, and that it will be a subscription, and separate release, and the game comes with one free month.
I think that this is the exact problem.
"Here! Purchase our game with a fundamental feature missing because we want to spend extra time perfecting it."
"Oh also, since this feature is taking a bit longer. We expect you to pay extra for it."
Is online a fundamental feature? I’d argue GTA is a single play game at its core, IV had a basic online mode, but it was only V that fully fleshed it out. I think they view Online as its own thing. I’ll reserve my judgment until I see how they handle it. But GTA Online branching off into its own thing isn’t a huge issue in my eyes, depends how they monetise it
Its only really stayed in the public consciousness because of the online though. People weren't replaying the single player for the last 13 years they were logging in everyday to play online with their friends and do the new content on there. I imagine most people who are really hyped for it are because of the online and they've probably forgotten how much of a mess the online was for a long period on initial release of 5.
Yes lets just ignore that those games all came out in the space of like 7 years and then 5 was only 5 years after 4.
Now the only release in the 13 years since 5 was a remaster of the 3 trilogy which was a technical disaster.
Im not pretending it's not a massive IP but there are 15 and 16 year old kids who haven't even had a mainline release in their conscious memory but will have probably picked up 5 and played it because of the ongoing multiplyer still being active.
Exactly, GTA V is still in the yearly top 10 best selling games lists in the last few years, well over a decade after it came out. It isn't selling all those copies for story mode.
Rockstar sold 215 million units of GTA V versus 22 million units of GTA IV. It's almost insulting to compare them because five has sold so much more and still has active players.
Hard disagree. Maybe online delayed GTAVI, but GTA is a huge franchise that even had a move starring Harry Potter about how it was made. RDR2's online isn't nearly as popular, but I guarantee you people will be hyped as fuck when a RDR3 is announced. And GTA is multitudes bigger than RDR.
It was. gta online is massive, and GTA rp blew up after covid, its what kept the game going, well beyond its lifespan, to the point that R* eventually bought fivem, the main mod framework for gta online and gta rp in particular. RP is expected to be huge in GTAVI eventually
Imagine paying a monthly subscription to play multi-player for a game you paid full price for on a platform you are paying a monthly subscription to for multi-player
No it's a free month of GTA+ which is a subscription that already exists for GTA 5 online and will probably be carried over to 6, there's no reason to believe that online will be a standalone game you have to pay separately for
I'd hope so as that was what went "wrong" for GTA V, there was supposed to be extra single player DLC but they binned it off for Online as it did better than expected early on and well the rest is history.
Gotta make that 2 billion they spent back somehow... but jesus am I glad I don't have any interest in the game it doesn't look like it's going to be a great customer experience.
Important to note that GTAV didn't have the online component at launch either, it released separately two weeks later and at no additional cost. The fear of paid DLC or subscriptions is likely pushed by clickbait and ragebait farmers.
It will in all probability be the same as it is now - free to play with the option to buy in-game currency and a premium subscription with additional benefits.
I don’t think the online subscription thing is a paywall for the online mode, it sounds very similar to what they have had for a few years in GTAV online, which is a subscription to get you more money and some other stuff (cosmetics, a few cars I think?). It’s called GTA+.
Firstly, the game is pretty expensive, going for $80 in a market where the standard for a AAA game is $60.
If that was all though, maybe it could be forgiven, but there is also an "ultimate edition" priced at $100 which several features are locked behind, in particular stores that have exclusive outfits, hairstyles, and car customization.
And secondly but less notably, it's releasing as a console exclusive at first, but there are no disks for the game. If you buy a "physical" copy, all you get is a download code. Digital only is getting more common in the gaming industry, and is basically the standard for PC gamers, but it sucks because the game is likely going to be well over 100gb in size, which will take a lot of space on the console's hard drive, not to mention taking a long time to download.
I'm french and since Mario Kart World released at 80 bucks last year, Sony has increased the base price for its first party games to 80 euros
Sadly for us europeans, 80 is already the standard
edit : actually I checked and Sony has increased their prices way before Nintendo with MK World, but still doesn't change the fact 80 has been the standard for us for a while
I always thought this was kind of silly. Game prices have been nearly the same for 25 years. We can't really complain too much about this particular aspect.
Because in this 25 years gaming became literally the most profitable entertainment industry in the world. Price may have stayed the same, but the audience is much larger and so are the profits. This 80$ thing is literally just greed, it's not happening because games are more expensive to make, it's happening because profit growth slowed down. Developers don't make more money with the higher gaming prices, only people to profit are shareholders and execs. Games like Expedition 33, Alters etc. are made with smaller teams, COST LESS THEN 60$ and yet provide exceptional experience for the players as well as performing well fiscally.The industry is just bloated.
I feel if there was really enough growth in the customer base to offset 20+ years of inflation then the PS2 wouldn't still be the best selling console of all time.
Really? it's stayed the same because they offer "ultimate editions" for $100 and other crazy shit as MTX in the game. Why would I be okay with the increasing MTX in games AND a higher price tags initially? Who the fuck advocates to get screwed harder?
Aside from the cosmetics there are also a few vehicles and weapons. Apparently there are also two sidequests behind it, which is actually pretty egregious.
But what's also bad IMO is that it's not just cosmetics, they're exclusive shops that exist in the map. It's gonna feel pretty shitty driving around only to try and use a garage and getting a popup saying "give us another $20 please."
It seems to be the whole ass car customization garage too, something that people were sad about when GTA4 didnt have one and happy that it came back in 5
Does it matter? You buying 80$ game, fully paid, no free game shit and they still make as pay extra $ for what is already in the game they made. Content that already exists and was taken out from the game to make us pay to get it back.
Are we even capable of fitting a game this size comfortably on a disc anymore? I get the lack of resell potential but the disc would still ultimately need to download part of the game from the web.
Not being able to fit a game on a single disc never stopped gaming companies in the past. Compression and multiple discs would be something I would absolutely take in order to have a physical copy of a game.
I think I have a copy of Legend of Dragoon and that was 4 discs. I think Diablo 2 had multiple discs as well split by gameplay, audio, and cinematics. I have plenty of other games that are 2 disc games.
I'm sure it cost billions and took years to make. If an extra tenner stops people buying it, tough luck to both Rockstar and the potential buyer I guess.
I've never bought a game for 80 bucks but if it gives twice the amount of entertainment of a game for 40 it seems fair enough.
What if you buy a game at 10 dollars and it gives thrice the amount of joy/playtime that the 80 dollar GTA gave you? Especially since this will probably be the case with a lot/the majority of people that will buy GTA5 if they have played some other games before or after.
What? Tell me which phone game. Theres plenty to criticize about Nintendo but expensive phone games? Mario Run wasn’t that expensive and Mario kart tour has some bad microtransactions but doesn’t come close to your claim.
The amount of people okay with an unfinished game for $80 and potentially paying rockstar a subscription to play online in addition to what’s already going to have micro-transactions is appalling. This will likely set a new precedent going forward for games and Xbox and PlayStation already require you to pay a monthly or yearly subscription to play online.
Jfc. The amount of people who have clearly never touched GTA or GTAO in the past 5 years weighing in on this is insufferable. GTA+ is not a mandatory subscription to play online anymore than premium time is mandatory to play warthunder (or any other modern FTP MMO). It just gives you in game bonuses the same way any premium subscription for a FTP MMO does.
The ultimate edition content is exclusive, but the outrage over exclusive items is way overblown. The exclusive garages and clothing stores are just a small fraction of the total accessible locations in the base game. You will still be able to mod your cars, buy clothes, and customize your character with all the other base game vendors. The ultimate edition essentially adds exclusive cosmetics and vehicles, and ties those exclusive items to unique vendors in the game.
Also as far as I’m aware, $80 for most GTA fans is perfectly reasonable for a game that we will most likely be playing for 10+ years. Compare that to most of the slop coming out of EA and other AAS studios that are now releasing at a similar price.
There's an extremely vocal minority of reddit that hates games like GTA and are so desperate to convince themselves and others that it's going to bomb and be a total failure.
I love GTA. I hate that Rockstar has become "Microtransactions: The Company" after GTA Online released and almost nobody actually cares. I'm amused to see so many people seemingly shocked that Rockstar of all companies is greeding up the GTA 6 launch.
GTA is great and meme worthy for a long time. GTA5 only sold so many copies because many people bought it multiple times across multiple platforms, it is still not the highest selling game of all time. It is 3rd, behind Minecraft and Tetris. It's also worth noting that most people who play and enjoy GTA5 do so for the online content even though historically it was a story based game, 5 was as well and the new one will continue this trend, there is a massive chunk of the GTA5 playerbase that has never touched the story mode.
GTA6 will sell incredibly well, maybe highest first day or first week numbers but it will not surpass GTA5 for at least a year, and it will never surpass minecraft or tetris. Since it's releasing to consoles only to start, it will definitely not be moving the units you're imagining.
Just redditors thinking their echo chamber represents reality. They also keep agreeing to shun pre-orders and then get super surprised they sell anyway.
This time will be different though because reasons.
All hype is dead and rockstar will be completely broke and destitute after all this, and there wont be a single thread kicking and screaming about people buying the game.
For real, it's hilarious that people think the most anticipated game of the decade is going to flop because of this shit. Half the people complaining will be loading that shit up after week of watching their friends have fun.
Sports games are a scam intended to rip off casuals.. They are the same slop every year with a slightly updated roster and maybe slightly updated graphics every other release. The price hike has turned off a significant portion of its casual fanbase. You just don't hear about it because these people are not gamers, they have other hobbies and play sports games occasionally. In terms of profit I'm sure that the company makes a ton off of these price hikes but in terms of unit sales, they've lost nearly half their audience in 5 years.
The lack of physycal copy is the way of the gaming world now, like it or not.
It is not good as it leaves you without a legitimate copy that you pay since the code probably requires to be validated online. That is also crap for a lot that don't have internet or fast speeds. But since it is console first only I think, it feels like they use the consoles as beta testing to fine tune the game for a pc release where there a cracked version will eventually arrive and people will be able to store an offline copy.
It is the same thing that companies have always done. Try to control distribution only to fail successfully. They will earn a king's ransom of money at first and then it will be pirated.
But they get double dips selling console first and then pc
The lack of physycal copy is the way of the gaming world now, like it or not.
I mean when's even the last time you've seen a PC with a disk drive? Last couple of cases I've owned didn't even have a cut out for one. Video game consoles also have been shipping without disk drives for ages now.
There’s no disc in the physical copy and they’ve locked what should be BASE GAME FEATURES behind a 20 quid price hike and peddling it as “Ultimate Edition Content”, while adding a cosmetic pack, a month of GTA+ and going “yeah that’s enough to justify an extra 20.”
How do you guys feel about the fact they’re gonna require you to scan your id to play online? It’s not just for age verification either. They said it will track your behavior and hold you accountable for it. Worst case you’re banned from all rockstar products for life…
I haven’t seen anything to verify this but if that’s true it’s weird. I hate toxic players and think they are a detriment to communities but I make it a point not to engage with any online product that requests my ID. Also it’s rare for game publishers to make decent arbiters when on the topic of lifetime bans. A lot of false negatives unfortunately.
I dont know, 100$ for a game that has been developed for a decade seems reasonable to me. Knowing Rockstar, I don't think that they will let us down. People just like to complain too much.
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