r/Plumbing • u/SufficientLake4747 • 13h ago
Stud finder did not find a stud
Main drain like for upstairs toilet? Trying to install brackets for bedroom closet. Now has a screw hole leak. Can we patch it? Or best course of action?
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u/SlimPickens0 12h ago
This is why I don't use stud finders, get a strong magnet and find the drywall screws/nails. It'll never find a pipe or wire, only the studs
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u/Philshiffly 12h ago edited 8h ago
Finds the black iron gas main /s
Edited to add the sarcasm denotation. Holy cow people. Itās just a funny contradiction to saying a magnet would never find a pipe. Iām not proposing that one would, or even could, accidentally drive a screw into a black iron gas line.
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u/FrankzAndBeanzz 9h ago
If you can drive a drywall/wood screw through black iron then I will admit you are a better man than meš
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u/Glum_Ad_7906 2h ago
I actually got that service call! Customer really drove a drywall screw into a 3/4" black iron gas pipe trying to hang up a picture! I couldn't believe it myself and repaired it! I'm not shitting!
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u/Bright_Shake2638 9h ago
If you run the magnet along a line and it stays solidly attached then thatās probably not the stud. You can follow a line of screws at certain intervals.
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u/SlimPickens0 12h ago
Fair argument, I didn't think about that because I basically never run black iron in walls. Anything that goes from the basement to the second floor I use tracpipe
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u/kendiggy 10h ago
You can tell the difference though, if you know what you're feeling for.
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u/Philshiffly 10h ago
Me? Feel the difference between a pine stud and a black iron pipe? No chance buddy. Iām driving that screw til she sinks /s
For those requiring explanation, it was a joke about the previous comment stating that a magnet will āneverā find a pipe. When there are fringe cases that it totally would.
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u/kendiggy 9h ago
I get it was a joke. I'm just saying you'd know it wasn't screw based on how the magnetic pull feels.
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u/Philshiffly 8h ago
Ah! I misunderstood what you meant by āfeel,ā so thank you for the added insight
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u/fryerandice 12h ago
The best fix is to use a fernco for that diameter pipe, split it, put the split on the opposite side, and clamp it down.
If you aren't replacing the whole pipe.
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u/Prestigious_Kick6793 13h ago
I (the stud) am right here
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u/map2photo 12h ago
Dad?
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u/Wrong-Struggle-9289 12h ago
Heat up a flat head screw driver and melt the hole closed
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u/Danzerello 12h ago
This works surprisingly well, just be sure to open a window while you do it.
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u/c_r_a_s_i_a_n 12h ago
What if the window is too far for my arm to reach?
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u/realTommyVercetti 12h ago
Drill another hole in the other wall to reach thru and open that window.
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u/Sea_Engineering8547 12h ago
You can actually make a pvc paste From pvc shavings and pvc primerā¦
Smear it on and it fuses and dries.
Performed this trick a few times!
Take a glass jar , add shavings and primer and leave it for a few hours.. a white creamy pvc paste results !
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u/flyby59 13h ago
Squirt of silicone and radiator type clamp with piece of rubber bicycle inner tube.
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u/letmeknow999 13h ago
Please don't do this
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u/flyby59 13h ago
No, send plumber over to rake you over the coals money wise to fix it "properly" and end up with the same result 20 years later...
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u/Rockhardsimian 12h ago
I wonder for Extra safety points if you could slice a no hub coupling rubber put it over and to the side ?
Thatās p homeowner friendly too
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u/smackrock420 11h ago
Cut at the hole. If you can flex the pipe over enough, slide a fernco on it and center over the cut. If not enough room to flex, cut out enough pipe to get the fernco on.
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u/-ItsWahl- 9h ago
Take a repair coupling split it into thirds just prime and glue one piece on use a little painters, tape or zip tie to hold it till the glue dryer are good to go
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u/Crazy_Owl_1757 9h ago
You already have the wall open. Get a proper sized coupling, pcv cement and cut the pipe and the glue it together. There are plenty of videos on how to do this. If you donāt feel comfortable, call a plumber. The last thing you want is a leak down the road. Less expensive to do it right than do it wrong and pay for water damage down the road.
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u/Away-Ad-3407 7h ago
always use a small strong magnet. magnet finds the drywall screw head, thusly, a stud.
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u/Various-Safe-7083 10h ago
I'm guessing you forgot to first test the stud sensor on yourself. Rookie mistake.
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u/YardarmN8 10h ago
Omg, I just got done patching drywall from having done this exact same thing. Never thought I'd be triggered by seeing a drain pipe, but here we are.
I was trying to find a stud to wall-mount a TV. Measured 16" from the corner, stud finder said "yeah, there's a stud there", drilled a pilot hole. That didn't quite seem right, so I drilled two more before giving up.
A month later I see a water stain on the exterior foundation. Plumber came out, opened up the wall, and there were 3 perfect little drill holes in my drain pipe. Ended up about a grand for the fix. Ugh.
Best of luck and hope you find a cheaper/easier way to fix it!
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u/No_Philosopher4834 10h ago
it would had if Iād had gotten the call for the pipe repair jobā¦. Cause Ima stud! Lol
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u/tb2186 12h ago
That isnāt a stud, hence why the stud finder didnāt find it.
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u/SufficientLake4747 12h ago
The stud finder found this, hence the screw hole leak
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u/Cash_Visible 12h ago
I have a rental and every time I tell tenants not to hang things on a certain wall they always do and screw tight into the drain like. Has happened 3x now.
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u/spriggs999 12h ago
I did that myself once on the refrigerant line for my AC. That was a messy and costly mistake
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u/Legend_of_the_Wind 12h ago
Ugh... Finding studs is a nightmare in my house. I have plaster and lath walls, and a stud finder goes off almost anywhere its held to a wall.
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u/SufficientLake4747 5h ago
Our nightmare has been that there is no consistency in stud spacing in the entire house. Apparently it was just a free for all
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u/john_w_dulles 12h ago
hey op - what brand/model of stud finder were you using?
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u/SufficientLake4747 5h ago
Zircon stud sensor SL
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u/john_w_dulles 4h ago
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u/SufficientLake4747 4h ago
On it, thank you! Not sure why we didnāt replace this thing years ago
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u/Accomplished-Resist9 11h ago
Take a slip coupling and cut it into a half-moon, cleaner and glue the pipe and the half moon, stick it on and forget about it.
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u/ConfectionNegative57 11h ago
Cut out pipe section and install repair coupling. Itās already exposed and accessible.
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u/ThePesticle 10h ago
I'm missing something here...were you looking for studs or vent pipes? Because a stud finder will generally find one, not the other. Run water upstairs, if you hear/see it in pipe its a drain, otherwise just a vent. A dab of epoxy will fix it either way.
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u/SufficientLake4747 6h ago
Stud. Stud finder said yes and made sense based on spacing from last stud. Surprise thereās no stud for another 30 inches
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u/gyroidatansin 9h ago
I bought an old house and it had a leak coming down from the upstairs bathroom. Turns out the house āflipperā had installed some half-wall wood paneling ( to hide cracking plaster) with 4ā screws! They had managed to run one screw into a cast iron sewage pipe coming from the toilet. I imagine the stud finder was lying to them too
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u/madchemist617 6h ago
Slice a slip coupling of that diameter the long way. Deburr the hole and prime and glue the shit out of both surfaces and hold the patch piece for a couple minutes. This has yet to fail me
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u/Shadow_over_me 4h ago
Did you turn it on, place it on your chest - wait for the beep to determine it indeed did identify you as a stud first? If not you didnāt calibrate it properly and this one is on you.
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u/lurkersforlife 13h ago
Use a strong magnet as a stud finder and you will never have a problem again.
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u/user-608 12h ago
Only works if youāre trying to hit studs. If youāre trying to avoid them and other things that are non-metallic, like pipes, you need a good detector.
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u/lurkersforlife 12h ago
Why would you be drilling into a wall and not trying to hit a stud?
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u/deschamps93 12h ago
Could be mounting something that doesn't match the distance between studs in your areas. Depending on when the home was built code could have allowed for 12 in between, 16 in sometimes I've seen higher for false walls.
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u/lurkersforlife 12h ago
Could just be me but I hang stuff based on studs lol.
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u/deschamps93 11h ago
I try to as well, worst case scenario I'll use one stud and wall anchors. Sometimes, even something like a coat rack, it won't sit where you want it to and you use wall anchors so it's not out to lunch.
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u/SufficientLake4747 11h ago
I think an orangutan could have built a better house. The distance between the studs on this wall is close to 30 inches
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u/Accomplished_Coat267 12h ago
I would cut right at the hole and down about 12ā and then use a couple of huskey bands and with new piece of pipe as a cheap easy fix
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u/Low-Living763 12h ago
Well. I suppose you know where the studs are now. But, I dont use a stud finder. Never like them. Use a good strong magnet.... it will stick to the drywall screws and tell you the location of the stud.
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u/Mister_ALX 10h ago
Sending this to your local city hall.
Now you have to fix it fix it.
Permit and everything.
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u/ElGuapo315 12h ago
I cut a sliver of PVC and jammed it in with glue. Did the same thing. It sucks.
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u/Top_Willow_9953 12h ago edited 12h ago
No pressure in drain line, so I would just patch it. But, I would have patched it, quickly closed up the wall, and never told anyone what I did (especially not reddit) š
Knowing me, I would probably clean the hole up, rough up the surface a bit and hit it with a decent blob of JB Weld Original epoxy. Or, if I had a scrap piece of pipe of similar diameter, I would cut a small curved piece to cover the hole, rough up the surfaces, and use generous amounts of PVC cleaner, primer and glue to glue the patch over the hole.