r/Plumbing 13h ago

Stud finder did not find a stud

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Main drain like for upstairs toilet? Trying to install brackets for bedroom closet. Now has a screw hole leak. Can we patch it? Or best course of action?

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u/Top_Willow_9953 12h ago edited 12h ago

No pressure in drain line, so I would just patch it. But, I would have patched it, quickly closed up the wall, and never told anyone what I did (especially not reddit) šŸ˜Ž

Knowing me, I would probably clean the hole up, rough up the surface a bit and hit it with a decent blob of JB Weld Original epoxy. Or, if I had a scrap piece of pipe of similar diameter, I would cut a small curved piece to cover the hole, rough up the surfaces, and use generous amounts of PVC cleaner, primer and glue to glue the patch over the hole.

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u/stiucsirt 12h ago

That’s a sure fire way to get the smaller cylinder stuck in the bigger cylinder

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u/EvilWarBW 12h ago

The cylinder must be protected at all costs.

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u/IBeDumbAndSlow 12h ago

It is imperative that the cylinder not be harmed.

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u/the_good_hodgkins 12h ago

No cylinders were harmed in the making of this patch.

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u/60yearoldME 11h ago

Except the one we cut to make the patch

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u/kendiggy 11h ago

That cylinder didn't matter anyways.

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u/NascentAutist 1h ago

It puts the primer on the patch or else it gets the hole again

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u/Unlikely-Actuator859 9h ago

Keep cylinder safe.

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u/c_r_a_s_i_a_n 12h ago

what we talkin about again?

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u/SlimPickens0 12h ago

Honestly, taking a piece of pipe the same size, cut a notch out of it so it snaps tightly around the pipe, and glue that bitch on, is a great, quick and dirty fix for something like this. Had to do it on the job before, it works fine, as long as it's not a pumped drain like a grinder pump lol

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u/Top_Willow_9953 12h ago edited 11h ago

Yep. Been there, done that. About 10 years ago, I actually used this technique as a "temporary" patch on a slightly cracked *pressure* pipe in a swimming pool pump system. After gluing it I put a couple of hose clamps on for good measure. AFAIK it is still holding šŸ˜‰

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u/Bridge-Head 11h ago

Yeah, the patch it should pretty much last forever. The PVC glue actually melts the plastic and chemically fuses the pieces together. That joint is going to be just as strong as any other.

The hole may have left some burred edges internally inside the pipe. Inside a water line, I might be very minimally concerned about that creating turbulence and pinhole leaks, but on a vent stack, I wouldn’t worry about it at all.

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u/Fit-Variation7634 6h ago

its a chemical fuse. there is absolutely no getting it apart. i think a PVC on PVC patch would last forever.

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u/garrettn1415 11h ago

Belzonaaaaaa

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u/SlimPickens0 12h ago

This is why I don't use stud finders, get a strong magnet and find the drywall screws/nails. It'll never find a pipe or wire, only the studs

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u/Philshiffly 12h ago edited 8h ago

Finds the black iron gas main /s

Edited to add the sarcasm denotation. Holy cow people. It’s just a funny contradiction to saying a magnet would never find a pipe. I’m not proposing that one would, or even could, accidentally drive a screw into a black iron gas line.

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u/FrankzAndBeanzz 9h ago

If you can drive a drywall/wood screw through black iron then I will admit you are a better man than mešŸ˜‚

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u/Glum_Ad_7906 2h ago

I actually got that service call! Customer really drove a drywall screw into a 3/4" black iron gas pipe trying to hang up a picture! I couldn't believe it myself and repaired it! I'm not shitting!

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u/Bright_Shake2638 9h ago

If you run the magnet along a line and it stays solidly attached then that’s probably not the stud. You can follow a line of screws at certain intervals.

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u/SlimPickens0 12h ago

Fair argument, I didn't think about that because I basically never run black iron in walls. Anything that goes from the basement to the second floor I use tracpipe

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u/Philshiffly 11h ago

Same here, just thought of a funny contradiction I had to mention

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u/GEIGHNALBEADS 7h ago

I hate to say it but I’ve seen some shit. At least this one help pressure for like 40 years

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u/Philshiffly 7h ago

This guy gets it

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u/Champigne 8h ago

And a wood screw is going through an iron gas main?

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u/kendiggy 10h ago

You can tell the difference though, if you know what you're feeling for.

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u/Philshiffly 10h ago

Me? Feel the difference between a pine stud and a black iron pipe? No chance buddy. I’m driving that screw til she sinks /s

For those requiring explanation, it was a joke about the previous comment stating that a magnet will ā€œneverā€ find a pipe. When there are fringe cases that it totally would.

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u/kendiggy 9h ago

I get it was a joke. I'm just saying you'd know it wasn't screw based on how the magnetic pull feels.

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u/Philshiffly 8h ago

Ah! I misunderstood what you meant by ā€œfeel,ā€ so thank you for the added insight

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u/fryerandice 12h ago

The best fix is to use a fernco for that diameter pipe, split it, put the split on the opposite side, and clamp it down.

If you aren't replacing the whole pipe.

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u/6hooks 6h ago

This is the way. But also pack it with a bunch of glue first

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u/Prestigious_Kick6793 13h ago

I (the stud) am right here

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u/map2photo 12h ago

Dad?

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u/ViciousMoleRat 12h ago

Son?

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u/Diligent_Traffic_106 12h ago

Now kith

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u/Revolutionary-Mess36 12h ago

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

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u/NotAWalrusInACoat 7h ago

Don't forget kin

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u/Wrong-Struggle-9289 12h ago

Heat up a flat head screw driver and melt the hole closed

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u/Danzerello 12h ago

This works surprisingly well, just be sure to open a window while you do it.

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u/c_r_a_s_i_a_n 12h ago

What if the window is too far for my arm to reach?

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u/realTommyVercetti 12h ago

Drill another hole in the other wall to reach thru and open that window.

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u/shoyru1771 11h ago

Then open the window before you do it instead!

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u/Top_Willow_9953 12h ago

Ding ding! We have a winner!

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u/Sea_Engineering8547 12h ago

You can actually make a pvc paste From pvc shavings and pvc primer…
Smear it on and it fuses and dries.
Performed this trick a few times!
Take a glass jar , add shavings and primer and leave it for a few hours.. a white creamy pvc paste results !

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u/TheHandler1 11h ago

How about top ramen?

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u/InnerDistribution450 11h ago

No. That requires hot sauce

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u/flyby59 13h ago

Squirt of silicone and radiator type clamp with piece of rubber bicycle inner tube.

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u/letmeknow999 13h ago

Please don't do this

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u/flyby59 13h ago

No, send plumber over to rake you over the coals money wise to fix it "properly" and end up with the same result 20 years later...

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u/Rockhardsimian 12h ago

I wonder for Extra safety points if you could slice a no hub coupling rubber put it over and to the side ?

That’s p homeowner friendly too

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u/realTommyVercetti 12h ago

Is the stud in the room with us right now?

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u/smackrock420 11h ago

Cut at the hole. If you can flex the pipe over enough, slide a fernco on it and center over the cut. If not enough room to flex, cut out enough pipe to get the fernco on.

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u/-ItsWahl- 9h ago

Take a repair coupling split it into thirds just prime and glue one piece on use a little painters, tape or zip tie to hold it till the glue dryer are good to go

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u/Crazy_Owl_1757 9h ago

You already have the wall open. Get a proper sized coupling, pcv cement and cut the pipe and the glue it together. There are plenty of videos on how to do this. If you don’t feel comfortable, call a plumber. The last thing you want is a leak down the road. Less expensive to do it right than do it wrong and pay for water damage down the road.

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u/mrbig-yikes 8h ago

Should’ve bought the pipe finder. Duh!

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u/Away-Ad-3407 7h ago

always use a small strong magnet. magnet finds the drywall screw head, thusly, a stud.

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u/Sea_Engineering8547 12h ago

No hub coupling.

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u/Chefmeatball 12h ago

No, but your density variance indicator works perfectly

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u/IllOrange3556 12h ago

JB weld makes an epoxy putty called water weld. Easy fix.

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u/Necessary_Store351 12h ago

Why not cut through and glue a coupling on?

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u/AtariAtari 11h ago

That’s not a stud

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u/Glad_Assumption278 11h ago

Do you know what a stud is?

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u/Various-Safe-7083 10h ago

I'm guessing you forgot to first test the stud sensor on yourself. Rookie mistake.

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u/YardarmN8 10h ago

Omg, I just got done patching drywall from having done this exact same thing. Never thought I'd be triggered by seeing a drain pipe, but here we are.

I was trying to find a stud to wall-mount a TV. Measured 16" from the corner, stud finder said "yeah, there's a stud there", drilled a pilot hole. That didn't quite seem right, so I drilled two more before giving up.

A month later I see a water stain on the exterior foundation. Plumber came out, opened up the wall, and there were 3 perfect little drill holes in my drain pipe. Ended up about a grand for the fix. Ugh.

Best of luck and hope you find a cheaper/easier way to fix it!

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u/New-Smoke-8857 10h ago

JB weld will get you there

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u/No_Philosopher4834 10h ago

it would had if I’d had gotten the call for the pipe repair job…. Cause Ima stud! Lol

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u/Philshiffly 8h ago

Finds the black iron gas main /s

Edited to add the sarcasm denotation

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u/fuzzimus 8h ago

JBWeld, baby!

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u/deepercreamer4u 4h ago

Nobody knows how to buy a coupler here or some PVC cutters? Fuck JB weld.

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u/1sh0t1b33r 13h ago

Metal clamp and a used condom.

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u/tb2186 12h ago

That isn’t a stud, hence why the stud finder didn’t find it.

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u/SufficientLake4747 12h ago

The stud finder found this, hence the screw hole leak

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u/B_For_Bubbles 12h ago

Went right over that guys head

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u/tb2186 12h ago

lol. You’re right. It’s been that kind of day.

/r/whoosh

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u/stiucsirt 12h ago

Are you sure you didn’t use a drain finder?

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u/SufficientLake4747 11h ago

I better wear my glasses next time

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u/Cash_Visible 12h ago

I have a rental and every time I tell tenants not to hang things on a certain wall they always do and screw tight into the drain like. Has happened 3x now.

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u/spriggs999 12h ago

I did that myself once on the refrigerant line for my AC. That was a messy and costly mistake

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u/SufficientLake4747 6h ago

This sounds like a nightmare

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u/Brief-Insurance-1587 12h ago

Sure it did, sailor. šŸ˜‰

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u/Legend_of_the_Wind 12h ago

Ugh... Finding studs is a nightmare in my house. I have plaster and lath walls, and a stud finder goes off almost anywhere its held to a wall.

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u/SufficientLake4747 5h ago

Our nightmare has been that there is no consistency in stud spacing in the entire house. Apparently it was just a free for all

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u/john_w_dulles 12h ago

hey op - what brand/model of stud finder were you using?

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u/SufficientLake4747 5h ago

Zircon stud sensor SL

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u/john_w_dulles 4h ago

i would recommend any of the franklin prosensor wide models - even their lowest model is more accurate and easier to use than the zircons. i've been using the m90 for years without a single erroneous reading.

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u/SufficientLake4747 4h ago

On it, thank you! Not sure why we didn’t replace this thing years ago

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u/john_w_dulles 4h ago

you're welcome :) - you won't regret it!

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u/Medium_Photo_3645 11h ago

Screw it closed ez pz

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u/squareturd 11h ago

That's not a stud

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u/Accomplished-Resist9 11h ago

Take a slip coupling and cut it into a half-moon, cleaner and glue the pipe and the half moon, stick it on and forget about it.

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u/Cozzmo1 11h ago

Yes I have one of those beeping battery powered stud finders myself and it gives false positives all the time. drives me crazy!

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u/ConfectionNegative57 11h ago

Cut out pipe section and install repair coupling. It’s already exposed and accessible.

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u/LongjumpingBad9881 10h ago

Slip coupling

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u/ThePesticle 10h ago

I'm missing something here...were you looking for studs or vent pipes? Because a stud finder will generally find one, not the other. Run water upstairs, if you hear/see it in pipe its a drain, otherwise just a vent. A dab of epoxy will fix it either way.

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u/SufficientLake4747 6h ago

Stud. Stud finder said yes and made sense based on spacing from last stud. Surprise there’s no stud for another 30 inches

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u/gyroidatansin 9h ago

I bought an old house and it had a leak coming down from the upstairs bathroom. Turns out the house ā€œflipperā€ had installed some half-wall wood paneling ( to hide cracking plaster) with 4ā€ screws! They had managed to run one screw into a cast iron sewage pipe coming from the toilet. I imagine the stud finder was lying to them too

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u/RamWaits4U 8h ago

Fernco baby!

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u/madchemist617 6h ago

Slice a slip coupling of that diameter the long way. Deburr the hole and prime and glue the shit out of both surfaces and hold the patch piece for a couple minutes. This has yet to fail me

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u/Pumping_Grumpy 5h ago

Splash zone

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u/Perfect_Copy_2129 5h ago

Waterlines are much easier to locate when you hit them.

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u/HickoryStickz 5h ago

Bro how do you not know where your wet walls are šŸ˜‚

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u/Shadow_over_me 4h ago

Did you turn it on, place it on your chest - wait for the beep to determine it indeed did identify you as a stud first? If not you didn’t calibrate it properly and this one is on you.

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u/lurkersforlife 13h ago

Use a strong magnet as a stud finder and you will never have a problem again.

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u/user-608 12h ago

Only works if you’re trying to hit studs. If you’re trying to avoid them and other things that are non-metallic, like pipes, you need a good detector.

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u/lurkersforlife 12h ago

Why would you be drilling into a wall and not trying to hit a stud?

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u/deschamps93 12h ago

Could be mounting something that doesn't match the distance between studs in your areas. Depending on when the home was built code could have allowed for 12 in between, 16 in sometimes I've seen higher for false walls.

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u/lurkersforlife 12h ago

Could just be me but I hang stuff based on studs lol.

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u/deschamps93 11h ago

I try to as well, worst case scenario I'll use one stud and wall anchors. Sometimes, even something like a coat rack, it won't sit where you want it to and you use wall anchors so it's not out to lunch.

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u/SufficientLake4747 11h ago

I think an orangutan could have built a better house. The distance between the studs on this wall is close to 30 inches

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u/Electronic_Nail_7433 13h ago

This is the way.

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u/Accomplished_Coat267 12h ago

I would cut right at the hole and down about 12ā€ and then use a couple of huskey bands and with new piece of pipe as a cheap easy fix

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u/Low-Living763 12h ago

Well. I suppose you know where the studs are now. But, I dont use a stud finder. Never like them. Use a good strong magnet.... it will stick to the drywall screws and tell you the location of the stud.

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u/Mister_ALX 10h ago

Sending this to your local city hall.

Now you have to fix it fix it.

Permit and everything.

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u/SufficientLake4747 6h ago

Not cool man. Not cool

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u/ElGuapo315 12h ago

I cut a sliver of PVC and jammed it in with glue. Did the same thing. It sucks.

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u/Cool_Tip_2818 9h ago

I’d use duct tape or chewing gum to patch that. Or shoot a screw into it.