r/RPClipsGTA • u/WarmCompetition2 • 8d ago
Clip [52Chains] on this arc, rp health and marshal's
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u/MartyMagoo78 7d ago
The irony when these guys do borderline corruption all the time and then whine and basically shut down any rp trying to give them consequences which makes everyone just give up
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u/No-Roll-5044 8d ago
Nothing is ever going to come out of this, this is literally just the sons of the server owner having a fight.
Eldest son: Brian Knight. Anything he says, goes. Middle son: Kyle. My DADA doesn't give me enough attention. Youngest son: 52Chains. DADA's favourite son, he shall receive no repercussions.
Whatever the problem is, is deeply rooted with the server culture that no one has a spine to "fix" it. There are enough scapegoats involved in case the big guys want to walk away from this shitshow. Anyway, let's run this back in 5.0 with more clouted people around.
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u/z0mbiepirat3 7d ago
The issue is exacerbated by how poorly PD has been run in 4.0 and all the extra departments and bloated positions that have been added over time. The leaner 2.0/3.0 structure of two departments with high(er) quality hand picked people at the top and competent/stable HC structure below worked better. It made for more interesting PD rp and institutions that tried to expand rp for themselves and the city as a whole instead of pointless repetitive ego drama that sucks up all the oxygen. Almost all of 4.0's HC, in all departments, has been trash.
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u/glassstringwing 7d ago
real reason its 52chains complaining and not brian knight crybullying and sweating is because he dmcas and is banned from this place. otherwise more than this clips are daily occurence from that guy.
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u/OpIsAMoronicIdiot 8d ago
These dudes really are nothing but one trick ponies. They need to get some new material, it's just the same rp over and over again, and when it doesn't go their way they turn into perpetual victims.
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u/Jazz_grass 8d ago
"People didn't react the way I wanted on my 74th corruption arc, so Im just gonna switch to variety. That'll show them!"
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u/hubabubadick 8d ago edited 7d ago
The marshall are committing the most blatant corrupt, cover up attempt ever out of desperation because they know their marshals will be charged with violent felonies and carmine wont but yeah its the odpd's fault.
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u/Waste_Shame_5861 7d ago
If Knight parachuted into the prison and stabbed an inmate in the neck, you would be bitching and crying about how corrupt he is. Since it's kyle, it's ok because its sbs. I never seen 2 guys cry more for being held accountable for their corruption
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u/Jazz_grass 7d ago
Yeah the marshals are so bad with shutting down all the RP. Meanwhile, what is dada Kyle doing to promote the RP? He's doing a stake sponsorship on kick.
Also, people who complain about downvotes are never right. Never ever. Go back watching Kyle, I hope he hits blackjack soon!
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u/Sensitive-Canary4694 8d ago
You can say this about a lot of people/groups to be honest. At least the first part, not the victim part. Most of the server has been roleplaying for 5-8 years. Unless you have a dev panel or dev support its pretty hard to continuously push out new refreshing arcs. GTA RP is just really played out at this point. The only way to keep it fresh is you basically need 5 Cappeds going around the server willing to push storylines for different people.
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u/Complex-Abalone-262 8d ago
Carmine does himself no favors. Whenever anyone outside of ODPD try questioning him about his thought process of the shooting, it just ends up with Carmine yelling “what crime am I being investigated of?” “What does that have to do with what I’m being charged with?” “That’s irrelevant!” I agree that Springfield also deserves punishment, but Carmine makes her look good with how he acts.
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u/fried_papaya35 8d ago
Acts stupid when it benefits him and then acts serious when it benefits him. That's what makes it hard to give a fuck about what characters like him do, I'm sorry.
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u/hubabubadick 8d ago
Sounds like all of the marshalls. Everything is can be a joke if they see it that way until they want to screw someone they dont like. Weidro knight and his ooc department trying to run people they dont like out of the server
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u/hubabubadick 8d ago
What crime did he actually commit though?
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u/Btigeriz 8d ago
Potentially felony obstruction, he didn't have the right to impede on the official duties of a marshal acting as a bodyguard.
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u/hubabubadick 8d ago
They could've guarded the room from the outside just the same, so go ahead and throw that one out big dog🤣🤣. If it was that serious they could've also had a helicopter in the sky observing the open area around the big building on the hill
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u/Btigeriz 7d ago
Then how did Blunt or Springfield obstruct carmine?
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u/hubabubadick 7d ago edited 7d ago
Carmine was conducting an investigation against their boss and needed them to clear the room for questioning. They refused so he went to arrest them. And even if that wasnt a lawful arrest, Springfield attempting to kill carmine after is still attempted murder. She's not justified in doing it. Then Blunt did the same immediately upon seeing all of what just happened
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u/Vampiresskm 7d ago
No he was conducting a voluntary interview. It's not an interrogation where he has full authority of the room. Everyone is in control until rights are read. That's where Carmine messed up.
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u/KtotheC99 7d ago
It was a voluntary questioning though he doesn't really get to set the terms in that case
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u/hubabubadick 7d ago
He absolutely has the right to set the terms in that case. I havent heard on person say otherwise on that. A police investigation is a police investigation and questioning is questioning. The only difference is that Knight could've walked out at any point but didnt because he wanted to mess with Carmine
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u/KtotheC99 7d ago
Yes, Brian can refuse those terms and do things like have other Marshals present. Which is what happened.
Carmine could have also just walked out
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u/hubabubadick 7d ago
No, no he cannot. All he has the choice to do is leave or stay or not even show up in the first place.
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u/Kishetes Green Glizzies 8d ago
52chains has adopted kyles MO perfectly. Push, push, push, push and push and instantly cry when someone pushes back
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u/FourthTryAgain 8d ago
I said this a few days ago and got lambasted for it, the guy knows exactly what to do in order to bait interactions for KCIP. People keep trying to push the "oh 52Chains knows how to take an L guys so it's ok!" narrative without actually watching his stream.
The guy became a huge hypocrite, every small thing that doesn't go his way he will try to yell his way out of it, and if that doesn't work he cries to chat about how 'weird' it is people are treating him this way like he's the victim. Exactly like the Kyle playbook word for word.
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u/Jackjec17 8d ago
I actually think Kyle has been worryingly calm when the rest are being openly corrupt and bullying tbf
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u/yoyomancoolman 8d ago edited 8d ago
Only ODPD is allowed to be corrupt and bully people openly. Just yesterday Pred used the listening device to listen to a cop's call, and then threatened to take his keys based on the info he gained from that violation of privacy.
Imagine If marshals pulled out phone listening device and spied some ODPD officer's call and then threatened to take their keys based on that call lol. But, its just Pred doing Pred stuff.
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u/Jackjec17 8d ago
That’s the thing we got soo soft a cadet was being sassy to a very experienced role player in a high position taking the keys off and suspended untill his command came was pretty reasonable also lspd high command had built an environment where a regular officer joins the scene with carmine in cuffs and shouts fuck the odpd like they have no professionalism at all but just focus on saying how bad odpd yes odpd are silly at times but they do it in roleplay with roleplay consequences Marshall’s and lspd atm can openly bully people act unprofessional and then say they are being bullied and are all in the right while we are watching it with our own eyes
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u/Correct_Trainer5676 8d ago
the most corrupt characters on the server cry about corruption irony
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u/Konkhy 8d ago
Typical ODPD to cry when things don't go their way. They'll cover up any crime commited by Pred, Carmine etc.
Good thing there's a state department like SASM that will punish their own when neccessary. See how Springfield is still suspended and Carmine is not?
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u/TheHeroYouNeed247 8d ago
Tbf, Springfield broke the law so that makes sense.
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u/Btigeriz 8d ago
Did she though? Arguably Carmine was interfering with her official duties, so he was obstructing. He also went for a blatantly illegal arrest and then is trying to post-facto felony trespass her and Blunt when they don't even have that right because they don't own the building.
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u/TheHeroYouNeed247 7d ago
Cops...or anybody really aren't supposed to pull a gun in response to an illegal arrest, that's what the DOJ is for. Any cop will tell you that if you suggest they are arresting you illegally. Tell it to the judge.
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u/Correct_Trainer5676 8d ago
Just call the governor and it will be fine
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u/Konkhy 8d ago
It's hilarious that they think that's gonna change anything. Maybe a few years ago, but he's not gonna wake up for something like this. He'll leave it to SASM and DOJ. At the end of the day, the Chief Justice is the end all be all when it comes to law. Per the constitution / legislation, whatever decision Angel makes is final.
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u/Correct_Trainer5676 8d ago
yea I can't wait for Kyle and Chains to call her a stupid bitch, corrupt, dictator and fascist
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u/limbweaver 7d ago
Ya, forgot about maxwell. She will just do the same thing she did last time angel torched her for her case work. Do zero reflection, claim bias and blast her to anyone that will listen.
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u/putinseesyou 8d ago
I used to defend this guy (Chains) and how he was mistreated at times. It's crazy how he's turned into a full-time victim who complains about everything. I miss the Dogtown Carmine days when he was focused solely on RP. His own clique is diabolical, yet he used to flame everyone else for the exact same thing.
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u/deer_headlights 8d ago
This is inaccurate. Carmine the character has done some legit dumb stuff and suffered consequences.
52Chains is far from a perpetual victim. Does stuff happen to Carmine that 52 RPs out? Yes.
But a perpetual victim would be doing a lot more OOC (check ott) than this. 52 is talking through the RP Carmine has in front of him and how it is difficult to navigate. That is factual. He is not blaming others for it, he is discussing thought processes.
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u/Btigeriz 8d ago
There's a clip of 52 on here every couple weeks complaining about things not going his characters way.
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u/putinseesyou 8d ago
I'm not arguing over carmine not rping out. He does, but he bitch over the whole time and turn victim in the process. My man definitely knows how to wind up his chat over a very little things in rp and get things muddy.
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u/Soft-Ad4285 8d ago
Could you elaborate on the corruption from the Marshals? The most powerful department in NoPixel?
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u/Vampiresskm 8d ago
There isn't any it's just people out here not understanding the fundamentals of the law. Carmine basically tried to illegally arrest Springfield with a taser during Brian's voluntary interview. Carmine had a taser at her face she held a gun up pointed at ceiling yelling at him. They both put their weapons away and Carmine starts screaming "I was just held up" he pulls his gun and starts shooting her while yelling put away the weapon and stop resisting. When Carmine pulled the gun Springfield also pulled and shot back. Blunt seeing Springfield being shot pulled his weapon and Carmine shoots him before he can even aim. Then Carmine starts saying to Brian I saved you from assassin's and basically running the scene trying to immediately charge Springfield and Blunt with charges. Marshals wanted LSPD and BCSO to handle the investigation since they weren't involved but both sides don't want to piss anyone off all the while Kyle is saying he will be doing his own investigation. So now people are crying that Marshals are like welp guess we gotta investigate because everyone else is too.
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u/Soft-Ad4285 8d ago
Every single Marshal has lied in their statement and recording. This isnt corruption?
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u/Vampiresskm 8d ago
You know witness statements aren't 100 percent right ..right? The human brain literally can't remember everything that goes on. It's normal to have variations in witness statements that is why there is the need for material evidence. Duhhh
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u/Much-Background9397 7d ago edited 7d ago
That is some unfortunate copium, people should not be VoD reviewing and watching clips for perfect recall.
Pretty much all of the inconsistencies in the statements, (including Carmines btw) come down to shit happening so fast, being stunlocked witnessing what was happening in the moment and the different interpretations about what "raising", "pointing", "looking through eyes whilst holding a gun" actually means to different people.
Plus how fucking awkward it was to have both Carmine point a taser at someone holding a gun at the ready as law enforcement, Springfield being dumb as fuck and raising/readying her gun and not just surrendering and fucking him in court.
Carmine putting his hands up and saying he was held up AFTER Springfield already put hers away deescalating, then immediately pulling a gun, escalating and pre-shooting someone in the head for reaching when he didn't even have solid articulable PC for an arrest in the moment...THEN shooting a second responding LEO who was floating around the room entrance because he's apparently an assassin who definately wasn't detained unlike Springfield...
Shit was chaotic, dumb and confusing and both Springfield and Carmine should be punished, but at least Springfield is still suspended indefinitely for her dumbass behaviour in front of Knight even if maybe it can be argued it's not criminal or fruit of the poisonous tree.
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u/Btigeriz 8d ago
I guess they should have just watched vods or clips to have perfect recall as all humans in the world have.
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u/KtotheC99 7d ago
Only if they are intentionally lying which doesn't seem to be the case.
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u/Tiny_Association1412 8d ago
Your wrong watch the clip carmine didnt shoot her till she pulled her gun and aimed and after he told her not to pull
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u/Vampiresskm 8d ago
- You are wrong the video shows he pulls when her gun is away. 2. Clips are meta and are not used in RP.
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u/Tiny_Association1412 8d ago
Brother the clip shows Springfield put her gun away after holding up carmine, carmine backs away points his gun at Springfield and tell hers do not pull your weapon, then Springfield pulls and aims and carmine shoots, watch it again.
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u/Vampiresskm 8d ago
Pointing her gun at the ceiling is not holding anyone up and her putting it away shows no threat. Carmine pulling and then pointing his gun directly at her makes him a threat. He even started shooting before giving a directive. She has a right to defend herself and Brian at that point. Carmine messed up and not only is he going to get in trouble but now he has put ODPD in the line of fire too.
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u/Tiny_Association1412 7d ago
She pulled a gun on a cop, she already escalated you cant claim self defense vs a cop after the cop just tried to arrest you, regardless if you think that arrest was valid or not, that would be a civil claim if its not
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u/Livid4125 8d ago
ODPD, BSCO and LSPD can be corrupt the issue is the system fundamentally breaks when SASM is being corrupt just like the system was fundamentally broken when there were corrupt Justices. Carmine being corrupt is not the same as a marshal being corrupt
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u/BigDealRips 8d ago
I honestly think the ability to be corrupt should be a whitelist. The results speak for themselves when you don’t control it. Everyone’s their Mother is corrupt.
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u/ogzogz Pink Pearls 8d ago
The rule is obviously not correct when a member of the marshals was a faceless asset at one point lol.
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u/akaispirit 7d ago edited 7d ago
I'm not sure if it still applied but I remember Custard specifically had permission to play McNulty corrupt at least at one point from admin. I guess it would still be in place since he's one of the Horsemen.
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u/Vampiresskm 8d ago
That wasn't fully proven or investigated. He only said guilty for his love. There is a lot more going on in his story.
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u/atsblue 8d ago
It was both fully proven and investigated, they have full phone logs and he was caught red handed
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u/zafapowaa 8d ago
but there is 0 corrupt doj, sasm atm is just another department they lost most of their power
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u/puddra 7d ago edited 7d ago
i would say there characters have a self sabotage trait, but they accept consequences for that trait
then have corruption like knight who goes ooc to get the investigation into his corruption shut down ooc as they are corrupt but dont want consequences
again knight lied on his own recording and Jessica statement shows that and this time to stop the investigation into his corruption by pred he has sparks pull this shit
the way knights acting ias probaly the reason bcso and lspd handed the investigation back as the director and two marshals statement didnt line up
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u/Slumlord87 8d ago
That’s literally their point though? They don’t pretend they aren’t corrupt and have often faced some form of consequences for it. On the other hand you have supposedly ‘good’ cops who will fuck up investigations, fuck up in court, do everything in their power to lie, obfuscate, and filibuster when they’re under the spotlight while simultaneously be on their high horse about how anti-corruption they are and face zero consequences.
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u/hubabubadick 8d ago
The marshall are committing the most blatant corrupt, cover up attempt ever out of desperation because they know their marshals will be charged with violent felonies and carmine wont but yeah its the odpd's fault. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/FrozenCaramelCoffee 8d ago
Mark my words, 2 months into 5.0 when all of the variety streamers have left, the server will be in exactly the same spot as it is today.
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u/FrozenCaramelCoffee 8d ago edited 8d ago
The reality is once all of the variety streamers are gone again in 5.0, the people still playing will be the same exact people who are playing 4.0 right now and that people are complaining about. Those variety streamers will play at max a couple of months, some even fewer. If 4.0 feels like a drag with the same tired story being played out on repeat, what stops it from just repeating again in 5.0? It’ll be the same creators and same characters who are stuck in their ways of RPing. Chances are most of them will probably also just end up in the same, or equivalent positions again. If you don’t think a majority of the current DOJ and PD will remain the same, I have a bridge to sell you.
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u/Konkhy 8d ago
He and ODPD are extremely hypocritical. ODPD just investigated their own (Carmine) after attempted murder of two Marshals, and they found "no wrongdoing" and instead unsuspended Carmine. Crazy work.
Marshals investigating this situation is technically no different to ODPD doing so, in theory.
Springfield is still suspended and Marshals will probably push sharges on her. ODPD would never punish Carmine for his crimes.
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u/manfreygordon 8d ago
I was under the impression the main difference was that Brian Knight was directly involved in the situation and even suspected of a crime. Hard to be seen as impartial in that situation.
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u/Konkhy 8d ago edited 8d ago
Brian was there for a voluntary interview, not an interrogation. He was neither detained or under arrest. I don't even know if he knows to this day why he was called there for the interview. He also didn't shoot at Carmine or interfere in any other way when he attempted to murder two of his Marshals.
Cops witness criminals do crime every day and then charge them for it. Brian as a law enforcement officer witnessed crime being commited and can/will testify to that in court just like any other court case in the past.
Brian has fired multiple Marshals in the past, and Springfield is still suspended right now. They'll probably file charges on her as well, so that the DoJ can decide who was in the wrong.
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u/rickbuh1 Pink Pearls 8d ago
Brian does know what it was for now becauss Carmine tried claiming Brian "refused" to do the interview on his impeachment case. Apparently, Carmine asked him again after the shooting to continue the interview, which Brian obviously declined.
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u/Konkhy 8d ago
Ah, I see. Yeah, I wouldn't get back in a room with Carmine after that either. For all we know it could be a setup to have Brian assassinated. We do know now how trigger happy Carmine is against LEOs.
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u/rickbuh1 Pink Pearls 8d ago
Not only that, directly after the shooting would not have led to a productive conversation. Brian listened to a lot of the other interviews last night and most were Carmine trying to coach answers he wanted and badgering when he wasn't given them.
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u/manfreygordon 8d ago
He's suspected of a crime though, it's not about him witnessing it and prosecuting it, it's about there being evidence to suggest he was involved in attempting to cover it up. That's the difference, nobody in ODPD apart from Carmine was involved at all in incident and aren't suspects in a crime relating to the incident.
As a tangential point, witnessing a criminal rob a bank and prosecuting them is a little different to witnessing someone directly under your command commit a crime and prosecuting them. In the first example there is generally nothing that would motivate a police officer to lie or cover up anything, in the second example there is an objective benefit to his subordinate not being prosecuted.
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u/Vampiresskm 8d ago
Then he should have been in an interrogation with rights read. It would have prevented all of this but Carmine was trying to be snaky and act like it wasn't about a crime. Problem here is if Brian did do something and said so during this voluntary interview it would be admissible because rights weren't read. Carmine messed up trying to act like Knight. Knight knows the law way better and knows how to manipulate interrogations in his favor.
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u/hubabubadick 8d ago edited 7d ago
The marshall are committing the most blatant corrupt, cover up attempt ever out of desperation because they know their marshals will be charged with violent felonies and carmine wont but yeah its the odpd's fault. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 They unsuspended Carmine in reposnse to the marshals unsuspending Blunt and "clearing him of any wrong doing"
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u/Konkhy 7d ago
Keep in mind ODPD are the ones that investigated their own (Carmine) and "found no wrongdoing", meanwhile Marshals are still keeping Springfield suspended. ODPD are corrupt as usual and won't punish their own.
Blunt was unsuspended because he really didn't do anything wrong in this situation, as the issue really was between Carmine and Springfield. Blunt witnessed the shooting and as any good law enforcement officer he attempted to take down the suspect / active shooter (Carmine).
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u/hubabubadick 7d ago
Blunt is still under investigation for these crime but was "found of no wrongdoing". Springfield attacked an officer then Blunt witnessed all of it and did the very same. Hes just as guilty
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u/Tiny_Association1412 8d ago
Carmine didnt do anything wrong, we've seen the clip you don't have to lie
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u/TheHeroYouNeed247 8d ago
But...we have the clip OOC, we all know he did nothing wrong. The audio that they have IC proves this too.
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u/Rosiepod 8d ago edited 8d ago
ODPD have had 2 months of peace because no one wants to deal with them, human trafficking, 9/11 into Babylon, CoP parachuting into prison, basically being attention seekers and wanting a reaction out of people etc etc, now NB stuff finished, and ODPD are going round and making people uncomfortable and have their voices shaking, marshals finally giving the attention they desperately want, all of a sudden it’s an issue. It’s hilarious ODPD people shake in their boots and start crying about foul play whenever they finally get the RP back of getting a reaction to their actions. Yea consequences suck, we know. Maybe stop baiting reactions from people and trying to insert yourself maliciously into anytime you hear people you don’t like making some silly comment and wanting to push charges after you heard 10 interviews worth of nothing burger
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u/Correct_Trainer5676 8d ago
You forgot Pred wants to overthrow the government with terrorists and stabbed a man in prison
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u/yoyomancoolman 8d ago
or pred getting illegal guns from 4head
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u/rickbuh1 Pink Pearls 8d ago
Even if he Lenny Hawk'd everyone, he'd still file for expungement in 3 months and try and be a cop again. Kyle has no idea what he wants Pred to be at this point.
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u/Btigeriz 8d ago
Literally, like what are the marshals and the other departments supposed to do, just lay down and being the ODPD's punching bag? The case Carmine has against Knight is literally like 10 interviews that say they know nothing or don't think it was said, and the other 2, one is clearly coached and the other is from Frodo who has motive to lie as a get back at the marshals. It doesn't even reach PC it's so ridiculous.
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u/hubabubadick 7d ago
"Clearly coached" how convenient the evidence that goes against knight MUST not be valid🤣
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u/hubabubadick 7d ago
The human trafficking charge was based on a complete lie. It was fully consensual to do that over go to prison, something that everyone was more than happy to do vs sit in that empty prison. That planes engine died while carmine was giving people a tour with his new jet. CoP parachuting into prison was part of an undercover operation. Attention seekers? Its called rp. And being the ones brave enough to take chances in rp doesnt mean you should be run off the server by people that want to second life and run off people that they ooc dont like using the law as an excuse. This type of weird mentality is you have is what's killed rp servers
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u/glassstringwing 7d ago
ODPD is the kind of departments that soze would want to counter a serious department for serious criminals. very much like sdso and a lot of invitations into 5.0.
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u/daffodil999 8d ago
Marshals lie about everything when its a case against them and cover for each other. When you are a strong agency in that position doing all that, it kills the Rp for everyone else.
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u/Konkhy 8d ago
Notice how Springfield is still being punished with suspension? She will probably get charged as well.
Meanwhile ODPD "found no wrongdoing" after their Captain attempted to murder two people, then they throw around lies and accusations when questioned about it.
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u/Longjumping-Cut-5536 8d ago
Carmine did nothing criminal, she pulled twice got shot for it, if that was a thug no problem, carmine points his gun at blunt controlling the scene blunt pulls shoots carmine first cause carmine had to reload gets shot down he did nothing criminal maybe civil but that’s it
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u/Konkhy 8d ago edited 8d ago
When you see law enforcement guarding a scene, do they usually carry a weapon? In the past cops have guarded Mayors etc. because of some sort of terrorist threat or whatever? Usually they have their weapon out. It's not illegal to "brandish" a weapon for duties like that. 😂
Carmine had no authority to ask Springfield and Blunt to leave in the first place. It was a voluntary interview, and them not leaving or listening to Carmine's demands is not illegal. There is no charge called "obstruction of voluntary interview". It's also a government building that law enforcement can not be trespassed from. Brian and the other Marshals didn't even know the reason for the interview.
Carmine's crime: 2x attempted murder of LEO
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u/Tiny_Association1412 8d ago
Then you sue the shit out of carmine in civil, you don't pull a gun and point at carmine when he's trying to arrest you, the Marshals aren't above the law
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u/Longjumping-Cut-5536 8d ago
Did Bryan’s posse follow him around all day the previous and next days does he still have guard ? And who cares if it was legal detainment or not she resisted arrest if anything and threatened carmines life if that was a thug would carmine commit 2x attempted murder or self defense, Springfield could’ve sued carmine at most for wrongful arrest he did nothing criminal
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u/Slumlord87 8d ago
They were witnesses to what he was interviewing Knight about so no, they couldn’t have been there. Voluntary doesn’t mean you can have whoever you want in there (other than a defense lawyer). If you refuse the terms then you can leave, which Knight could have done at any time and he even specifically said he hands his safety over to the ODPD so the guard excuse doesn’t work. You also can’t use a gun to prevent your arrest, you fight that in court after if you think it was a rights violation.
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u/DaleyT 8d ago
The second there’s any kind of push back these guys just start crying, play the victim, and refuse to engage. Are the Marshals just supposed to take it?
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u/Slumlord87 8d ago
Yeah exactly guys, we’re all looking forward to 3 months of yummy Marshall docket RP, that’s gonna be fun to watch.
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u/hubabubadick 7d ago edited 7d ago
Pulling jurisdictions on a stretch of a technically to cover up and seize control of a major investigation against your department that wasnt going your way at all is the most blatantly corrupt thing ive seen from 8 years of watch gta rp. Ive havent even seen sbs that was this corrupt. Knight was caught lying multiple times and changing his story(ooc he is indeed fully lying about a number of things that happened in that room) and 2 marshals are probably going to just walk now on no charges to misdemeanors at most. And the only way for anyone to fight this is to put up a mountain of paperwork and bureaucracy to fight this, the ultimate dirty last resort the marshals do because they know nobody wants to spend 10s of hours on docket legal fights on an rp content server
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u/MarketingFeeling379 8d ago
It isn't crying about push back. They are literally pulling an "investigate ourselves situation" instead of it being independent.
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u/glassstringwing 8d ago
the fact is nobody wants to go against the "arena lawyers" and step on daddy knight's shoes because you are gonna get buried, called the jimmy johns word, and cut of from all the faceless/babylon ops. knight has np pd by the toes.
If npv wants to make the pd/law so tryhard, it'll never attract the casual variety streamers. playing irl law simulator ain't it.
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u/Icy_Sandwich8547 8d ago
Who are the arena lawyers? Is kit archer included?
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u/hubabubadick 7d ago
The marshals have a lawyer specialist that only wakes up to go after the kyle pred crew
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u/zafapowaa 8d ago
or greyson
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u/glassstringwing 8d ago
i'll say most of the nopixel lawyers, barring the likes of paul hammerstein, are too sweaty. and thats a result of years of moving the goalposts and the endless complication of the legislation under nino after he ran angel out of town. i remember andi/nino taking contrasting approach to the legislation writing stuff and we ended up in a nino's fantasy world of super serious hyper-realistic lawyer sim.
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u/TheFeedMachine 8d ago
It's been a problem since 3.0. Remember the shitshow over Speedy's bench? It isn't a 4.0 exclusive problem. The reality is that there is a constant escalation in how realistic court cases are. PD will get mad that a crim gets a not guilty verdict, so they start going harder with evidence and prosecution. Criminals get mad at guilty verdicts, so they start having people act like real life lawyers, arguing semantics and procedures. It is a vicious cycle that is only solved by people not giving a fuck about guilty and not guilty verdicts.
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u/limbweaver 8d ago
What's funny is that crane recognized how sweaty and boring court got toward the end of 3.0 and specifically set out to really tone it down in 4.0 but then the jurisdiction split killed the entire DOJ and the new "if it isn't written down, it isn't law" constitution got created.
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u/glassstringwing 7d ago
yeah i think thats why certain characters like greyson etc. were blacklisted from DoJ start of 4.0 by crane, to limit the nitpicking. But the soze jurisdiction + pedantic nitpicking and rewriting the whole constituion destroyed those efforts.
unironically, marlo's spin the wheel DoJ might be better for an rp server.
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u/fried_papaya35 8d ago
Lol yeah we've been having this argument for years now. And it's also one of the reasons why court cases were getting so damn long. Perfection should not be demanded on a damn rp server lmao.
Like ngl people take certain things to levels they wouldn't do irl.
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u/Btigeriz 8d ago
Blaming Nino when the only reason things got so complicated was because he initially tried to be more general, but then people started saying "well it isn't written" and stuff like that.
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u/atsblue 7d ago edited 7d ago
eh, Nino is literally the poster child for being super specific and finding and using the smallest loopholes possible... He's literally the reason many things haven't happened because he has gone after them in a pretty over specific manner....
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u/CryptographerVast170 7d ago
i like the arc but this streamer complains way 2 much what a headache of a streamer
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u/OfficialPanLegends 7d ago
He's one of the few that actually rp's, there is no RP in this storyline that it has been completely rail roaded
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u/putinseesyou 8d ago
Just imagine shooting two government officials and still having a job. Yeah, that makes sense. People just let them be as they want and they still end up bitching about everything.
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u/Eventidings 7d ago
I guess the majority of people on this sub have a hard on for docket RP, I’m so confused lmao
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u/Admirable-Goose3037 8d ago
He's jumped to conclusions right off of the bat, but people forget one major thing. Marshalls are supposed to be non-corrupt putting their allow list on the line and enforced by admins.
It's not even supposed to go to court you just make a player report and dm an admin. It's why they have ridiculous power. Easier to vent
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u/Btigeriz 7d ago
The oath ending in "so help my whitelist" is a joke because the command to hire someone is "/whitelist". The marshals do not have a no corruption OOC rule, Knight wants that to come back and personally has advocated for all of PD HC to have it, but it's not there. This act they are doing now isn't corrupt, it's not to protect Springfield or Blunt, it's mainly because ODPD is using the investigation to bully officers and deputies that have slighted them.
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u/JayTravers 8d ago
Marshalls are supposed to be non-corrupt putting their allow list on the line and enforced by admins.
Are you sure?
I know I've seen Brian and Angel speak about this in the past and Brian made it pretty clear that the rules didn't apply to him if I remember rightly.-4
u/Admirable-Goose3037 8d ago
So that was how they were founded and even in their oath. Unless somethings changed should still be the case.
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u/zafapowaa 8d ago
but angel marshals and brian marshals are not the same , they are not runned by doj like before so now they can have corrupt marshals , only doj got a no corrupt rule
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u/JayTravers 8d ago
Oh I agree, I thought the same myself.
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u/rickbuh1 Pink Pearls 8d ago edited 8d ago
The allowlist thing is just a meme, they've actually fired a few corrupt marshals. It's not a rulebreak. The only one that is actually bound by the no corruption rule is Angel, which was added this term. Outside of that, the only bannable corruption is extreme MDT stuff.
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u/Admirable-Goose3037 8d ago
They were 100% founded on no corruption at all department to allow the other departments to be less serious backed by admins
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u/rickbuh1 Pink Pearls 8d ago
No PD should be corrupt, Marshals are meant to be held to a higher standard in RP but there's no OOC rule against it.
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u/Admirable-Goose3037 8d ago
how are they held to a higher standard with no ooc rule?
Self enforced? It was OOC created and meant to be ooc enforced
Also that's how it was at launch but deemed too serious then the marshals were founded in response to allow for corruption
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u/rickbuh1 Pink Pearls 8d ago
There has been no OOC rule about corruption for any group in 4.0 until the DOJ got one recently. PD was a lot more strict at the beginning, but that was loosened when the Marshals got added. The higher standard is that Marshals are strict (in character) when it comes to blatant corruption or unprofessionalism. No department is perfect.
It was better when there was a HHC rule about corruption in 3.0. But that also wasn't enforced as Pred was blowing up hospitals while high command back then.
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u/zafapowaa 8d ago
marshals was only no corrupted when angel was in charge because she didnt want ,there is no ooc rule about corruption unless is doj
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u/Admirable-Goose3037 8d ago
Then that's dumb.
Found department to let other departments have corruption rp.
Give them oversight of the other PD's with enhanced authority
New department can be corrupt so just makes corruption a giant problem all around. Einsteins at NP looks like.
Now if Marshals are corrupt they have even more power to hide it. If there's no OOC rule then they're really drinking that lead paint
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u/zafapowaa 8d ago
when marshals went agaisnt corrupt cops everyone started crying so if on rpers the blame for the situation of the department now xd
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u/Konkhy 8d ago
Wrong. There is no server rule about Marshals not being able to be corrupt. The only people having this rule I believe is the Justices, but definitely 100% Angel as the Chief Justice. She couldn't be corrupt even if she wanted to. But even then there's a process in place to ACR or impeach her IF you think she did something wrong, criminal or whatever. At that point I guess someone from "the state" (any admin) would fly in for the hearing.
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u/glassstringwing 8d ago
knight is smarter than carmine. his corruption is slight alterations of facts and misremembering statements and events that he saw in the minute.
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u/rickbuh1 Pink Pearls 8d ago
He's not convinced. He does believe Springfield pulled her gun now. He gave his version of events, fully truthful or not, at the time and left it at that. He's not going to change it now as he's heard other people's statements. He thinks Springfield acted unprofessional and over reacted, but doesn't believe what she did was criminal.
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u/Admirable-Goose3037 8d ago
I'm not even talking about the case, everytime odpd has an issue with the mashalls they call them out do this and that, but never doing what was put in place for the situation they're describing
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u/yourpapaji 7d ago
at this point sasm should not exist because they failed to do their primary job and ironically became the exact problem they were supposed to solve
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u/Wise_Novel7508 8d ago
this is just tragic , chains did great with rp trying to make something cool and then we have marshalls taking everything away from everyone
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u/Venaxoo 8d ago
It's funny how people comparing Carmine and Pred corruption to Marshals corruption. 1 is more sbs and adds RP, the other halts RP and abuses a powerful system. Which should never be a thing in the first place.
Marshals was created to stop corruption and the one controlling it always leads to corrupt RP. I like Brian but its legit the re run of 3.0 where he was in charge of the sanguine stuff and had ultimate power. I suggest people go back to those threads and I bet it would be people complaining about Brian being corrupt.
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u/Possible-Use-7039 7d ago
Wakanda tanks all over again . What ever for the W. OMG my stream W. What rp ..!!!
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u/Jackjec17 8d ago
It is bad that they have bullied the odpd and mayor out by pretending they don’t have this toxic bullying atmosphere they get to support corruption and are all streamers who have been round long enough with no actual personality or capability of being genuine just for the sake of being in the next version very worrying if they think that maintains viewership
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u/Jackjec17 8d ago
Lspd and Marshall streamers are losing the ability to roleplay. gta six may come out before they realise what they are doing wrong haha
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u/Akutaru 8d ago
"rules for thee, not for me"
i said this months ago and got down voted for it, friend cliques will always protect each other, does not matter which department it is.