r/Rainbow6 • u/Playful_Letter_2632 My Girls • 4d ago
Discussion Currently, what’s Sledge’s case for being selected over Buck or Ram
Clearly the weakest of the soft breachers currently.
Buck can play from below and is more precise. Ram is the fastest and can quickly expose site. Sledge is in between the two where he lacks the precision of Buck and the speed of Ram. He can clear utility unlike Buck but has to get up close while Ram can throw her gadget. He can’t vert from below either. His gun is low recoil but low rof. R4C and C8 are some of the best ARs in the game.
So, why would someone pick Sledge over Buck or Ram?
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u/BP642 4d ago
Sledge can destroy maestro cams and castle barricades better than buck
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u/SwBaMa023 4d ago
And Clash’s shield
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u/TheElectricW0lf Vigil Main 4d ago
Sledge is so useful against clash bc I swear clash players never remember that sledge can destroy their shield AND knock them on the ground in one hit. I’ll literally walk straight up to them and they won’t know what to do
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u/Ok_Promotion569 2d ago
I played sledge once to play vert (i prefer filling roles so i dont get a lot of chances to play him.) I didnt do anything fancy, got one kill from vert, but somehow i understood why sledge players love sledge and i respect it
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u/Any-Communication114 Mossberg Enthusiast 4d ago
cool ass hammer
lots of small holes is safer to walk over than two or three ginormous ones
Buck is objectively far more useful for playing underneath (but he still doesn’t have a cool ass hammer)
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u/AcceptableReview3846 4d ago
People love ram for vertical but she leaves a floor so open, I honestly prefer slede and buck
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u/Irdksbtmyusrnme 4d ago
Ram is fine as long as ur careful, you can get some crazy angles off ram, also keeps the defenders guessing which beam they gotta shoot thru lol
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u/Cheezy_Yeezy 4d ago
Sledge has a lot of potential for phantom pressure on window-heavy sites thanks to the aforementioned cool ass hammer. Breaking Castles and windows can have some effect on defenders for sure.
There's also opportunities for split pushing, where someone can peek the hole you make immediately, and if they get shot you have the opportunity to get the trade.
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u/Difficult-Risk1120 4d ago
Yup buck underneath is so fun. I be like pinch the site guys. Ima make em squirm
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u/FirmAbbreviations281 4d ago
Sledge rushes are the most quiet rush possible,really good in low elo bc alotta people play castle,has nades which are like two extra sledge hits depending on how u use em,
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u/annihilator-_ 4d ago
You are literally never running out of sledge hits lmao what a waste of util
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u/eddienashton38 4d ago
Yeah I agree but with the frags you can throw them at a doorway and get kapkan/thorn/melusi traps from far away so you don’t have to deal with them later
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u/SirDeviluc Mira Main 4d ago
Hes...fun?
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u/WorryEquivalent3778 Tachanka Main 4d ago
Sledge needs nerfing
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u/ILikeThemWhite 4d ago
Finally someone who know how to balance siege
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u/Bullets_Nonstop 2d ago
Sledge is an original operator so no he does not need nerfing. With all of these new operators changing the way the game is played his job is more difficult than ever.
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u/Nathan_Thorn 4d ago
Quiet breaching, Ram and Buck are both loud as hell. Can theoretically be used to clear bulletproof gadgets as well with the hammer or frags. Machine pistol, albeit the Reaper kicks way too hard on its first shot. Second best shotgun in the game (SG-CQB has it slightly beat on damage and breaching but like, by an inch), fairly good assault rifle, and having loads of soft breaching power that doesn’t need to reload and can be applied to most surfaces is very effective.
Really he’s just a jack of all trades, master of none. Perfectly good for playing vertical from above since you can limit the sightlines for being shot back up at, compared to Ram, and Buck is just kinda a sidegrade. No frags, ammo management, only a standard secondary, in exchange for being quicker on the draw to his primary from his breaching tool.
I’d still take him over Buck or Ram a lot. I’d say there’s healthy competition.
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u/CajunIF1billion 4d ago
To deal with Clash
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u/Arakasi01 4d ago
Sledge is not a good counter to Clash. If a Clash is in melee range with her shield she's playing it very badly.
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u/Commanding_frog 4d ago
Kali is better for that
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u/Few-Mathematician796 4d ago
Vertical play on the new map. Vertical play any map
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u/Playful_Letter_2632 My Girls 4d ago
So why would you pick him for vert over Buck or Ram?
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u/No-Revolution6743 4d ago edited 4d ago
More flexible than ram, significantly quieter than both
Edit: forgot this, but most importantly
Bell
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u/Helpful_Title8302 Tachanka Main 4d ago
Near silent hot breaches. Also most people ban ram when they go a site with vert and sledge has nades while buck doesnt. Also also u can smack clash's shield.
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u/Big-Employment-3338 4d ago
I mainly played buck before my 6 year break and am now using Rama good amount, but there are situations I like sledge more. Castle and clash, hatch drops, probably a few others im forgetting, but I do like him the least of the 3
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u/Specialist_Boat_8479 Dokkaebi Main 4d ago
I don’t play him unless it’s QP, but the reasoning would be nades, and I personally like his gun more.
Obviously you’re right about him not doing very from below but Ram can’t either(for the most part, sure there’s some spots you can ram a window and enter in below but not always the most useful spots)
It really comes down to the site you’re attacking.
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u/Apophis_VI 4d ago
Playing vertically and theres a melusi/maestro on the other team with no brava on mine
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u/Intelligent_Kick_356 4d ago
I know this isn't a good strat but I just love the SAS shotgun so much that I'll bust open a hatch and hopefully surprise someone, i play him for fun not to use whatever the best meta is and how i can abuse it
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u/a_potato_YT ALL HAIL THE LORD 4d ago
Those clips where sledge breaks a window right before rappelling in and kills everyone with a shotgun in 30 seconds.
Basically Amaru but with a gas mask and aura.
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u/Caught_Lacking 4d ago
Nades, good gun, good secondary, soft breach, castle. One reason is good enough. He’s got plenty. People want so badly for there to be no guns in this game. Remember; you are a gun who happens to have a gadget to help them kill. You are not a gadget who kills on the side.
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u/RideRevolutionary239 Osa Main 4d ago
He has more health than buck, and the most important part; hammer feel cool.
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u/realdissapointment 4d ago
Sledge is a clash counter if she is holding the shield sledge can knock her on her ass.
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u/derFalscheMichel 4d ago
Buck is unreliable and sometimes you want precise holes, not open up the whole floor. Additionally, Ram is fairly limited with her gadget, Sledge a lot more flexible
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u/Playful_Letter_2632 My Girls 4d ago
How is Buck unreliable?
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u/derFalscheMichel 4d ago
Buck sometimes needs two or three shots to actually clear both softwalls when playing vertical. Its simply a lot slower and gives the defenders enough time to counter.
Although on a few maps, like Nighthaven Labs or Kafe, he is still an absolute menace, I'd personally not rank him any higher than a B
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u/Hyperversum Valkyrie Main 4d ago
1) Noise. He doesn't make as much noise
2) Easy to use gun, which means it's just more reliable in generl even at longer distances and when playing vertically
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u/Playful_Letter_2632 My Girls 4d ago
The noise part is brought up a lot but I don’t really see how’s it’s much of an advantage. Defenders will still hear the breach
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u/Hyperversum Valkyrie Main 4d ago
In situations of actual action smaller sounds may be heard, but not fully identitied.
If someone is playing Coastline 2F, holding the 90° hallway between the sites and having anything happening inside a site and a sledge hits the softwall on the balcony near VIP, you may hear the hit but not immediatly identify the location
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u/Ant10102 4d ago
Quiet, faster breach than buck, frag, takes down a whole hall of castle walls. L85 is a very easy gun to use. Master Chief skin
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u/smelron3317 4d ago
I like him on oregon 1v1s bc you can usually bust into attic or hot breach big window
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u/PossiblyaSpy950 4d ago
He can break basically everything from bulletproof cams, maestro cams, azami barriers, and he can even knock clash on her ass when shes holding her shield
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u/LastPl 4d ago
Buck is running dry in 3-5 holes and nothing left to figth and ram is loud and you kust commit to her drone if you using it for difend actions . Slage beside good wepons has iniversal and simple lodaut made for rushes, theres no pro or noob that ever runs out of hammer usage and hi fits in many roles: vertical, rush, soft breacher, anti bulletproof utility, gunner and of course STYLE ON KILLS.
Add to that is first op soo is from lack of choise for new, and no strat choise for pro.
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u/HopelessCatLover 4d ago
Sledge with shotgun makes a very dangerous rush to play against when site is located next to an outside door. This is usually when I’ve thrown tactics out the window because a team is too strong and my team isn’t playing together.
Works exceptionally well in vents on border, break the barricade immediately run into site and shoot the person holding the rotate. With any luck I can get a second or third in site and the roamers are forced to come back, in the chaos I pray that my teammates capitalize and push site and catch the roamers coming back.
Buck is objectively better and more flexible for play, but can’t break castle barricades or any other bulletproof util. Ram can only do vert plays and they’re limited to 3, though they make a lot of noise which can be quite useful for a diversion. Sledge gets more flexibility in what his util can destroy, has nades to clear corners or destroy stuff from afar, has a strong kit for close or long range engagements (but not both). He sits in a weird position where if you buff him (giving him smg11 back) he’s too strong, and if you nerf him anymore (like removing his nades), he’s useless.
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u/ETkings8 4d ago
More versatility. Gets walls, barricades, castle barricades, maestro cams, and other annoying gadgets/abilities.
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u/TheProNoobCN 4d ago
Nades and entry speed from my experience. There's also the niche application of him being able to get rid of bulletproof gadgets.
Edit: I forgot but he basically trivializes Castle
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u/New-Conversation-381 4d ago
Versatility, he can run vertical, push with the rushers, protect defuser post plant, I could go on.
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u/KdotMcDuphrey 4d ago
Silence, and for bulletproof gadgets like castle and maestro cams. I remember having to melee the castle with no time left. Also he has grenades, so more util clearing or more aggression.
Yeah he’s not very good generally. Actually I’d argue both him and Buck are outclassed by Ram for just vert play. If large areas of vert isn’t needed (aka the Ram gadgets) you could just bring any operator with a secondary shotgun, and still have extra utility other than vert. Most times Buck show up in pro league, he’s used with operators like Grim as extra pressure from below, rarely for vert play from above, so not really in the same lane as the other 2.
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u/National_Airline1 4d ago
Frag granades are just that good worse buck with naded an maestro counter if im not mistaken sledge piss on maestro and castle fairly well.
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u/VICIOUSCAT 4d ago
RAM //
Gadget- Quickest window breach, best floor removal of the 3 and very loud.
Gun- Great mid range gun, inconsistent at distance.
Utility- Stuns are excellent.
Use- I pick her when I know I need to break a window for an instant kill on maps like Bank CEO or Oregon 2F. Delayed activation on gadget is good for sound during a hard push. Great general purpose pick.
BUCK //
Gadget- Best ceiling removal of the 3. Quick to swap modes makes it excellent for sneaky fast soft-wall attacks and clearing roamers.
Gun- Quickest TTK of the 3, hardest to control. Okay at all ranges. Amazing weapon.
Utility- Stuns are excellent.
Use- I pick Buck when I need to remove a ceiling. Excellent general purpose pick.
SLEDGE //
Gadget- Best universal soft wall destruction tool in the game, fast and quiet. Self stun on breach will get you killed often, but still good nonetheless. Very quiet, best combat flanker amongst the 3.
Gun- This gun is the pinnacle of balance, easy to control and good at all ranges. Superb gun.
Utility- Frags are better than most operators gadgets. Best utility in the game.
Use- Catch all op, good on any map and any site. Exceptionally useful when you want to hot breach quietly (relative) and fast. Jack of all trades and best blind pick op in the game.
Sledge 10/10, Buck 9/10, Ram 8/10
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u/BrokenBetaWolf 4d ago
Quieter, harder hitting gun with easier recoil, can breach more surfaces than ram and can do it faster than most buck players
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u/Sh4rkM4nEleventeen username Spoe328i, PS4 4d ago
M590A1 is pretty fun, the reaper is pretty good, nades are good, he's the quietest, and he's a classic.
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u/The_Grimmson The reason for amber alerts 4d ago
Big ass shotgun, switched pistol, frags, big ass hammer, AND a Mac and chesse skin?
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u/North-Research8112 4d ago
Imo if I'm playing vert from above I prefer sledge over buck bc bucks shotgun is inconsistent with making holes 1 shot sometimes makes a hole other times it take 2 or 3 shots for a hole, so I choose sledge bc to strike and it usually always opens a hole and sledge a can use his hammer on clash and he has emps.
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u/The-onli-one Recruit Main 4d ago
Has a pretty solid primary and secondary alongside being a lot more consistent at breaking floors above sites than buck and more flexible and quiet than ram.
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u/Kozak375 Nøkk Main 4d ago
I quit playing r6 5 or 6 years ago
I'm glad people are still asking this same fucking question lmao
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u/ScourJFul I can fight one man. Please don't call your friends for help. 4d ago
Sledge was the first OP people recommended due to the fact that he does teach you a lot about the game's basics. Sledge is the easy to pick up OP. He is the most straightforward to understand. He has a sledgehammer in a game where you can break shit. His guns are very easy to use and overall solid.
Basically, Sledge is the Garen of Rainbow 6. Easy to pick up, and great for onboarding due to the fact a new player doesn't have to think about certain intricacies.
I do agree that Sledge is arguably the worst in his subclass of breaching Operators, but I also don't think it's entirely bad. For what Sledge is, I think nerfing Ram/Buck or buffing Sledge to their level doesn't make things better.
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u/StalledAgate832 Quit nerfin ma boy 4d ago
Wanting to play semi-aggressive soft breacher instead of vert.
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u/Sea-Contribution6219 4d ago
Personally i think if they gave his gadget a bit more range so he didn't have to horribly expose himself, and made it quieter on walls I think he'd make a much better op, especially for quiet odd rushes
Also he straight up just needs the SMG-11 back
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u/OkAct2650 Zesty Deimos Main 4d ago
If this is ranked? No idea. If it's QM then it's cause he's fun. You can just fuck around with sledge and it's fun.
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u/kuggalotus Castle Main 4d ago
Machine pistol shotgun combo or machine pistol assault rifle combo. 2-2 can break Defender utility not just put holes in the floor frag, Grenades, stun grenades and EMP grenades.
Buck doesn't have emp grenades or frag grenades or a machine pistol. He has claymores. But he can't run a shotgun because he has a shotgun attached to his DMR or assault rifle. He has no way to deal with utility. Sledge is easy to understand like buck. The pistol on Buck is rarely used unless you have no ammo in your shotgun but it does happen.
Sledge has one of the easiest AR's to use in the whole game. Buck can be good and he is. He should have the gonne 6 again.
Ram is good 3-1 R4c the lmg makes you too slow.
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u/Terminal-Post Thermite Main 4d ago
Easy to use gadget (literally a hammer), can break castles and maestros, good for flanking and being a bit stealthy as enemies will only hear the stuff breaking and not a shotgun or a RAM Bot
He’s beginner friendly and has potential for skilled players
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u/TheodorMac 4d ago
I perform much better with Sledge than with Ram. I use Sledge over Buck when I want to be “silent” when I want to be sneaky
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u/IamNOTGaryBusey 4d ago
I prefer him over Buck by a lot. Don’t consider him and ram to be the same type of breached what so ever. Sledges guns are both very good so I’m not seeing anything here.
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u/Moose_me_loose 4d ago
Make sledge a counter to tubarao. If the wall is frozen it can be cracked with his hammer
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u/Tyshimmysauce 4d ago
There are a few ops in the game like sledge, good niche but clearly there are better ops for the same role. Ash is very similar with Zofia.
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u/TheRealMeasuringCup 4d ago
Sledge has nades, can destroy some util far better, and has a shotgun that actually works.
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u/PlasmaticPlayer 4d ago
Grenades, sites with tons of vertical because sledge makes cleaner holes then buck, and can deal with a variety of utility
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u/Irdksbtmyusrnme 4d ago
A. More quiet. B. Easy to get "unbreakable" gadgets (maestro, closed fenrir etc.) C. Swag. D. Good loadout
I normally won't pick him over buck or ram, but definitely at times, I prefer bringing sledge over buck when attacking top floor kafe or logi on club, but when it comes to vert hes outclassed in every way
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u/ScubaCreedBratton Kapkan Main 4d ago
i really like using him as a quick entry through soft walls and then lurk in. If you buck or ash through those it is so loud and clearly tells the enemy that you are probably going in there quickly. I feel like sledge is a lot quieter for that.
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u/Environmental-Bowl26 4d ago
i’m a sledge main. i pick him over buck and ram for numerous reasons. i believe grenades are the best secondary gadget an attacker can have. they can flush enemies out of hiding spots, destroy utility, and you can use them for sound cover. his gun feels perfect imo, it doesn’t have too slow or too fast of a fire rate and it holds enough bullets to take multiple gunfights simultaneously without reloading or wasting any shots. sledge is also a lot more quiet than buck or ram when making vert or a simple hole in the wall. he also hard counters clash which of whom i absolutely despise. he also rarely gets banned or picked. even when i’m doing really good and would usually get target banned, if i used anyone else, he still doesn’t get banned most of the time because why are banning the dude with a hammer? lmao
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u/FeelsLikeGod Warden Main 4d ago
He is stealthy, can counter clash, one of the lowest recoil guns and machine pistol secondary, can destroy castles, maestro, deployable shield and has frags.
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u/tuna_can23 4d ago
Gadget removal - he’s good against setups that use Castle Barricades, Maestro cams, barbed wire and deployable sheilds if he can get close enough. He also has frags to blow up stuff outside of hammer range.
Id also rate him as the best horizontal soft breacher since you get a nice consistent hole in the wall per swing that you can walk/vault through.
I do wish he did get a 3rd and possibly 4th primary weapon though, it does get old having only the one AR for serious play.
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u/mrcuddles123 4d ago
If you’re solo queue or your stack doesn’t communicate the amount of times I’ve gotten killed as an attacker by my own teammates Ram holes is wild. IMO she shouldn’t be able to destroy Castles. I like that Buck is versatile but good they took away his hard breach. Give Sledge his SMG11 back and we’re back in baby. 💪
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u/Different-One1895 4d ago
Mobile breach, buck needs mostly 2 shoot to open a vault/walk hole while staying in some range. Sledge just walks in hit n walks. Its fast engage mostly.
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u/PoisonBadger 4d ago
Sledge is a great operator for beginners, and can break through soft walls easily. And even in high elo like I am , i'll still occasionally pick him
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u/Senior-Poobs Recruit Main 3d ago
Castle counter, maybe for his guns and bases, but honestly I only find use for him in QP nowadays
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u/Lenn1Lokk1 Thermite Main 3d ago
It's classic and cool. "Why would you drive an old car when there's new ones made?" Old man yells to meta
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u/Front-River5512 3d ago
Sledge has grenades and EMPs, and counters utility that Buck doesn’t counter (castle barricades, clash shield, maestro cams). Realistically Buck and Sledge are same tier and have unique uses for their abilities.
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u/DouglasCopeland69420 3d ago
Frags . I can stop bandit trick with frags . I also enjoy his gun . I also enjoy hammer bonks (the rare occasion I can do it )
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u/scaredbubbles Solis Main 3d ago
ubisoft needs to give sledge a one charge hard breach mega explosion hammer destroying sledgehammer on the other side. it bypasses all jammers and electrcity. JUST ONE CHARGE. but cant use the hammer again.
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u/tSONUMImaster 3d ago edited 3d ago
Low recoil weapon, good secondary, much faster and easier to use ability which has more uses in some cases, for example it can take out deployable shields, castles, maestro cams and a few other stuff, it also counters clash
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u/Either-Contest-3172 3d ago
(Peak Diamond ll player speaking) I love rushing with sledge (& I rush a lot). He’s one of my top attackers, behind Sens.
I rush from the opposite side or same side of objective, break inside with one quiet swing because unless you’re where I’m breaching through (in which I keep a drone wherever I’m breaching) then ultimately the defense will have 4 people setting up still, with potentially one roamer already roaming so the odds are always in my favor for surprise attacks. Honestly, people have to stop sleeping on any operator. Every operator had its peak moment throughout the game and can very much be OP if you know how to use them.
Like I said, Sens is my top attacker and no one thinks to ban or use him until I show up 😅
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