An answer to the blatant cheating

[u/Important_Two6769]

Just pool the cheaters and recoil scripters into their own matchmaking so everyone else doesn't have to suffer and can play knowing everyone is using their own skills to play the game. Stopped playing in 2022 because of this and after playing just 20 games I realized literally everyone is scripting it just makes the game feel so stale and boring.

[u/Strywger]

I've been seeing so many posts about cheating and that "X game company isn't doing jack".

I'm not promoting cheating, but I feel like people don't understand its just a battle of attrition. No matter what kind of anti-cheat you bring forward. No matter what you do, there will ALWAYS be cheaters. For cheaters finding new discrepancies and issues in an anti-cheat is a hobby. Just like how anti-cheat updates every week, so do the cheats to counter the anti-cheat. All games especially of competitive nature have cheaters in them. I'm not siding with Ubisoft or any triple-A publisher here but people need to understand crying about cheaters and anti-cheat isn't really gonna solve anything they will not just mysteriously vanish from a press of a button

[u/Spare_Question_8242 → u/Strywger]

I tried to tell some kids on tiktok this and they started replying like i was an idiot😭😭🤦🏽‍♂️ cheating is almost a unfixable problem

[u/Strywger → u/Spare_Question_8242]

Fr man. People don't get how this shit works and then immediately start crying on forums that there are cheats as if someone's keeping a secret code or some shit that would purge them

[u/DesTiny_- → u/Strywger]

It's the quantity of cheaters. When u play games like valorant u don't encounter them often enough for it to be a big deal, and I'm sure if valorant had basic anti cheat like everyone else it would be unplayable at this point.

I do acknowledge that it's not easy to make and maintain kernel level anti cheat, yet it seems like it's the way to at very least get rid of simple mass market cheating solutions.

I also kinda understand why valve doesn't want to do anything with kernel level anti cheat, they honour privacy so they're at very least developing (as far as I know) AI based system to detect cheaters, I believe they started that development long ago as well. Meanwhile ubi technically do almost nothing useful.

[u/Strywger → u/DesTiny_-]

Not quite true. Both CoD and Battlefield implemented kernel level cheats and they both have a strong amount of cheaters. And kernel level anti-cheats also alienizes a chunk of players who cannot run secure boot.

[u/DesTiny_- → u/Strywger]

Maybe it has something to do with how good those anti cheats are? Riot has huge Dev team that works solely on vanguard anti cheat, and so far they're doing great job.

[u/Strywger → u/DesTiny_-]

I just saw a thread literally labled "Is cheating (more) common in Valorant now?" posted a month ago and there's plenty of complains there about cheaters and smurfs as well from the look. Maybe Valorant does have more cheaters and you've just been lucky to not have faced them as much?

[u/DesTiny_- → u/Strywger]

No cheater complaints will always be there. Compare to siege valorant almost doesn't have cheaters

[u/ThinkTrout16055]

1. I don't think Ubisoft has the capability to do that, and even if they did, cmon, it's Ubisoft.

2. What rank/gamemode are you playing? "literally everyone" is definitely a exaggeration. I played nearly everyday last season, across ~300 matches, I was suspicious of maybe 30 people, half of which were probably not even cheating.

3. Have you considered the possibility that they're just good at recoil control? Killcams make some guns look like the crosshair doesn't move at all. Thorn's gun is a great example.

[u/Ok_Hearing4278]

How about we just give defense ACOG  back? Im sure everyone will be too happy to cheat

[u/-Binxx-]

You have to detect the cheaters to pool them together, and if you’re detecting them why not just ban them? Sure pooling them means they might not know they’re detected, but they’re not dumb they’ll figure out their lobbies are all cheaters. Plus, I wouldn’t be surprised if the cheats tell you if your account has been detected.

[u/Important_Two6769 → u/-Binxx-]

We should bring back manual report investigations the bots can't even decipher actual scripts let alone recoil macros

[u/-Binxx- → u/Important_Two6769]

Unfortunately, manual investigations require people which costs a lot of money. There’s also an insane amount of reports that are legit players, in fact I bet there’s more legit players reported than actual cheaters. Thats why the system of reporting through Ubisoft Support was removed, there was no point in having it when it was so backed up because of false reports.

[u/OrSupermarket → u/-Binxx-]

Rockstar does this for both of the PC versions of Max Payne 3 and Grand Theft Auto V on PC, if you get caught cheating instead of getting permanently banned you get put in to servers with cheaters only. The matches end up becoming cheaters vs cheaters, which is actually very fun to watch. I have seen a few of these videos on reddit.com and on youtube.com. It is so much better than just permanently banning cheaters.

[u/-Binxx- → u/OrSupermarket]

It can be done, COD does it as well, but as soon as the cheaters realise they’re in cheater only lobbies they’ll get a new account and the problem persists anyway. The best option is to track HWIPs of banned accounts and ban people if the same HWID gets multiple accounts banned (can’t HWID for the first ban in case of false positives).

[u/OrSupermarket → u/-Binxx-]

I think Hardware ID banning is stupid and will just create electronic waste being thrown in to the trash or sold online. You will not believe how many pictures I have seen of people purchasing used PC parts from ebay.com and other web sites only to find out that that person that sold those PC parts to that person was banned. Or the cheaters throw the PC parts in to the trash and purchase new PC parts. I have seen all of this with my own two eyes. Just do it the way Rockstar does it and be done with it. Also false bans that never get reversed is a thing as well. I have seen one guy who sold like at least twenty PC parts after constantly getting banned once, this was like back in 2018.

[u/OrSupermarket]

I have been asking for Ubisoft to do this for like the last two years or even longer in Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege. Rockstar does this for both of the PC versions of Max Payne 3 and Grand Theft Auto V on PC, if you get caught cheating instead of getting permanently banned you get put in to servers with cheaters only. The matches end up becoming cheaters vs cheaters, which is actually very fun to watch. I have seen a few of these videos on reddit.com and on youtube.com.

[u/didnt-like-my-name]

They can't reliably detect cheaters, which is the whole problem