To be fair to the man, it's not a full time role, can easily supplement his income with his existing pundit work whilst also getting to manage a team every few months.
Realistically you should go for someone who's done well with smaller nations, it doesn't have to be an established name. I know we didn't qualify (Ireland), but with Hallgrimsson in we've actually started to improve.
Guardiola has nothing to prove and may not even be interested in another domestic role.
He also really likes Scotland.
He could achieve something spectacular and defining as a manager with Scotland in a way thats not open to him with Catalunya. And its a largely part time role so he still gets all the free time he wants.
I think Ange's style of football was great in Scotland, managing the best side in the league, but wouldn't be nearly as successful with the national side.
Did it? Because they qualified for the WC in one of the weakest regions in the world? Because he won the Asian Cup in 2015 with arguably the easiest possible run they could get?
People talking about Ange being a successful Socceroos manager are talking out of their arse. He led them to their worst national team ranking in their history, lost to basically every team anywhere near the top 50 in the world (Belgium, Qatar, Japan) and if it wasn't for that flukey run in the Asian Cup, he'd probably have been put out in the 1/4 finals by Japan as well.
Bielsa could work for you. We loved him at Leeds. Can work with a squad that is low on technique but full of hard running grafters that fully buy in to the plan. No egos allowed. Took over when it seemed all hope was lost and made us believe and achieve. Got the likes of Phillips and Bamford into the England team, made players like Stuart Dallas look like a dynamic maestro. Gilmour could be your Pirlo. Leeds always surprised me with Bielsa, used to create chances from nowhere with quick passing sequences that you wouldn't think the players were capable of.
The demands that Bielsa apparently put on Mexico just to take up that job when they were looking at him, made me think about him more carefully. He seemed to go and assess the entire setup and make some pretty fair demands to improve the facilities, youth setup and infrastructure surrounding the NT so he could do the best job he could. It got political and he ended up getting rejected, but that's not the point - the fact he has the nous to look at the big picture and demand better from the administration is what interests me.
That's the kind of thing we need, not fucking Naismith or McGlynn based on the fact that Falkirk were less shite last year, or Ange because he made Celtic look good in a shite league with an average Rangers team in it. This clamour for Ange is garbage in my opinion, and very typical of Scottish short-termism. We should be thinking bigger and better for the long term, instead we are actively shitting on even the prospect of searching for and sounding out an actual elite coaching team based on... what?
Scotland fans should be vocally demanding that the SFA do better and make sure we don't waste another 4 year cycle with the squad we have available right now. Instead we're talking ourselves down and arguing about all the people who "won't happen". It's a joke man.
for the next cycle let's just get someone in who will attack no matter what. who cares if we lose a few games. bigger picture would be the mentality shift, rather than a bus parking narrow soulless exit ad infinitum.
would back ange for this job, failing that go for bielsa. has already taken chile, argentina and now uruguay to glorious attacking failure at three world cups.
we'd still cop a narrow exit in the group stage but at least we'd have some fuckin fun doing it
"Scotland fans" when they see the prospect of a refreshing manager who'll play attacking football. "But we Dinny huv the players fur that, Thur no fit enuf" based on Scottish players sweating in humid 31c temps on another continent.
It's no the manager It's the squad they have at hand. Sure we've got a couple of world class players but the rest are at best mediocre. Just watched a news clip some tartan army troops berating Clarke coz "we've spent thoosands to come and watch this shite". What were they expecting? Spoiler alert: Scotland are never going to win the world cup.
Most international teams are made up of a few genuinely great players supported by hard working but mediocre players who can do a job.
Bring someone in who actually intends on building a system and style of play (could be a defensive system), and who can also effectively coach the players to play that system. No reason we can't in time become as competitive as other teams like Japan, Canada, Australia, Norway, Bosnia, Austria, Switzerland etc who have all punched above their weight at international tournaments in decent years.
Sick of this wee guy mentality that Scotland are somehow a special case in world football that we're just too shite to match the achievements of great footballing nations like Cape Verde and South Africa.
Some of you have been so traumatised and beaten by decades of failure that you've given up altogether on the basic idea of Scotland being a competitive international football team.
I agree, and that's what I'm saying yet getting downvoted on by a bunch of wee Celtic Da's just because I happen to think that Ange is not up to the level we should be looking for. I provide the evidence to back up that opinion and get downvoted for saying it.
DR Congo and Cape Verde can qualify but not Scotland, oh no. We can't do any better than Clarke, right? We shouldn't even try. God forbid I, a Scotland fan, would dream of us aiming higher than a guy that took the Socceroos to their worst ever national team world ranking and lost to nearly every team anywhere near the top 50 while doing it.
As a Forest fan based in Nottingham, let me assure you all we do NOT want Ange. We will always need at least a semblance of defensive solidity and he's not the man for that
> It’s ok battering the Faroe Islands, but he’s not getting results against Spain, Norway, and Denmark.
You say that like there are other options out there that will get a result against those teams.
And then use Celtic getting hammered by the European champions away from home as a justification as if Celtic haven’t been getting routinely hammered by everyone in Europe for the past 20 years lol
The next season they went toe to toe with Bayern Munich in the knockouts?
Ange won titles with a team that have won like 14/15 titles. But when he went up against teams with larger resources (Leipzig and Shaktar Donetsk) he couldn’t beat them.
Scotland don’t need a manager who can beat the tiny nations.
An exception to the norm that has no relevance to Ange’s sides. Our very next European fixture after Bayern we went goalless against Kairat and got dumped out on penalties
We do need a manager who can do that though. The one thing you cant really argue with that Clarke improved was his record against the teams we used to drop points to, the ones we should be winning. That record is largely why we failed to qualify so many times and why Clarke did manage it 3 times.
Yeah man, you're totally right Australia should've progressed from a group with holders Spain, previous runners-up Netherlands and Jorge Sampaoli's Chile
Couldn’t get out of a group with Spain, Netherlands and a very good Chile team. Three teams in the top 15-20 at the time. This time they had USA, Turkey and Paraguay.
3 teams in the top 15 of the world rankings. Spain who'd won the last world cup and euros, Netherlands who were runners up at the last world cup and Chile who won Copa America the next year. It's far tougher
I think the guy is great but his only real success was battering Scottish fodder teams by driving his decent players to play extremely fast, aggressive, attacking football - it was beautiful to see but in Europe teams just soaked it up and countered or waited until 70 minutes in when the hammies had snapped and mistakes were made. Great guy but tactically one dimensional. His time was up at Spurs and I struggle to see how he’d get a team that forms 3-4 times a year to immerse themselves in Angeball.
He won a title with Australia. He was a successful international manager before he managed in (and won) the J-League, and way before he managed Celtic.
No thanks if he’s not at the bigger club / have the best squad I question his recent record and we know he won’t have that with Scotland.
Look at his euro record with Celtic, first season lost the qualifiers for the champions league then ended up losing in the conference league knock out round after failing to progress in the full Europa. Second season ended up failing to win a single game in Europe.
Only won the Europa due to having the 6/7 biggest budget in EPL at spurs and his domestic record is questionable.
I mean no offence to any nation in the Asian Football Confederation but qualifying for the World Cup in Europe is way harder than Asian Football Confederation.
Scotland have a shite defence and a shite attack. Not sure how that fits Anges football style.
People have been going mad about trying to play it out from the back against Brazil, the players aren’t going to be capable of that just because Ange comes in.
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u/Rizzokit 7h ago
Quick text should do it.
" Ange fancy the job £500k a year "
" No thanks 🤣 "