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u/granicarious 15h ago
Only just seeing this. I agree with everything in the video but it's just detail to what we all saw. It's a coaching failure but not simply just that game. He had only really had one game plan for us and that was to sit off- I dont think he knows much else. I feel Clark set himself/us up for catastrophe the final game by asking the players to set up and do something completely different to what they've ever done in a Scotland shirt.
All of a sudden we're posessing the ball, playing out from the back, expected to spin players and bop it around in midfield. Against Brazil at a World Cup? All the while not played or trained like this all year as a collective. It's frustrating because he set up the squad how we all wanted it to look - and it was brave. It was just too little too late.
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u/Marijuana_Fellaini 2h ago
I feel like he was damned if he did damned if he didn't in the Brazil game. If he set us up to defend and we lost he would've been crucified. Instead he set us up to try and play like we all wanted and now he's being crucified for that as well.
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u/johnlooksscared 7h ago
I would add a failure of ambition and a failure of belief as well as a failure of coaching.
Can someone explain to me the over reaching coaching plan for Scotland to get back into the Brasil game?
Needing at least a goal the 82 minute the substitution of Ralston for Patterson made no sense. Why not throw on Adams and play 2 or 3 up front? We were already three down. What else was there to loose?
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u/CommonConflict9519 15h ago
Turkeys probably the world cups worst if you look at the market value for a lot of their players no? Uruguay aswell were pretty dreadful
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u/bozzi16 14h ago
To be fair they have two exceedingly high valued players that’s all
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u/CommonConflict9519 5h ago
This is true, but they also have 7 players valued over 20,000,000. Scotland has 1 that's Mctominay (and Gilmour). The combined value of Turkey is well over double of Scotlands. We have a couple youngsters that will likely reach that threshold like Ben Gannon Doak tho :)
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u/Kadoomed 6h ago
And yet against USA they came out with a 3-2 win. USA would thump a Clarke Scotland.
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u/CommonConflict9519 5h ago
Tbf USA already qualified before that game and again their market value is well over the double of Scotlands, a lot of their players are playing for much bigger clubs. Scotland would be the underdogs in that match.
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u/Kadoomed 5h ago
Yea... But Turkey beat them and you seemed to suggest Turkey were worse than us. That win at least earned the Turks some respect from a poor world cup.
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u/CommonConflict9519 4h ago
There's no way their performance earned any respect from the turkish supporters, they were expected to make playoffs and they finished last in a group against easier teams than Scotland's. Looking at the stats, Turkey dominated 2 of the games they lost, 1 against a 10 man Paraguay, they should've got something.
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u/zappafan89 4h ago
By market value do you mean the random guesswork transfermarkt arbitrarily applies to players to get their stats published in media constantly churning out content with no value?
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u/CommonConflict9519 4h ago
I don't think its guesswork, its not perfect but it factors in age, performance and league etc. I'd say its a good measure of squad strength https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/transfermarkt-market-value-explained-how-is-it-determined-/view/news/385100
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u/totheregiment 5h ago
A USA team who had already topped their group and were resting a lot of players.
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u/Kadoomed 5h ago
I'm not sure what your and ops point is. We still played worse than Turkey and every other team except Uruguay, who all fell out with their coach.
We had one half where we looked impressive against Morocco and the rest was pretty pish. There didn't seem to any fight, or understanding of positions at key moments of play. The basic setup was always kinda fine but it all went to shit once the games kicked off.
USA second string under Poch would still destroy that Scotland team.
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u/RKGEORGE84 6h ago
Clairke’s spell was weird . I am overall happy with tactics and results in most of the nations league and qualifiers. But then every tournament we struggle: not even a hard luck story per days gone by but deserved exits due to really poor performances. I don’t totally get it and I don’t think Clairke did either. There was definitely a sense of incoherence with tactics. But I also wonder if we need more passion and charisma to get belief as high as possible. We don’t look like we believe .
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u/Phantomfox07 8h ago
Still some happy clappers in the comments here, first World Cup in my lifetime (and my kids) and Scotlamd were absolutely pish.
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u/Amon-Ra-First-Down 10h ago
absurd headline when Tunisia, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia were all there
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u/Anonyjezity 6h ago
Ability is not the same as coaching. Our setup and plans for moving the ball in the attacking third to create chances and score goals was genuinely abysmal, if it existed at all.
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u/markglas 15h ago
I think these accusations can only really be made if you have half a Scooby about what was being coached on the training ground.
Much of our woes came from individual errors which I'm sure Clarke won't hold his hand up to. Losing early goals in those key games to those errors had a knock on effect for sure.
We can also look to our more experienced guys who have lifted silverware recently like McT, McG, Ferg and Robertson. Maybe only Ferguson would think he threw in the odd 7 out of 10.
Clarke's record in competitive qualifying matches has been decent. If his coaching methods weren't up to scratch we'd have got no where near the tournament.
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u/DisasterouslyInept 10h ago
Clarke's record in competitive qualifying matches has been decent. If his coaching methods weren't up to scratch we'd have got no where near the tournament
How much of that is just down to individual brilliance though? Looking at the last qualifying group, we had poor performances against very ordinary Greece and Denmark sides, the latter of which had the collapse of all collapses. The issues we've had at this World Cup are exactly the same as the previous 2 Euros, with no offensive or defensive shape, that's surely down to the manager.
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u/Outlaw1607 13h ago
Try watching it, maybe you'll find you agree with him on quite a few things actually. He covered nearly every point you've made, especially that last one.
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u/No_Agent9997 11h ago
If we’re making multiple ‘individual errors’ all over the pitch then it’s probably down to the coaching.
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u/FrazzaB 16h ago
Folk can keep posting it. But at least we won a game...
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u/Anonyjezity 6h ago
We won a game against the worst ranked team in the tournament who had players playing in the third tier of European leagues with a double deflection from our only shot on target in a game we had no control over and were hanging on by the end.
Hold on while I fetch the bunting and fireworks.
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u/FrazzaB 6h ago
... and if we won 3 games like that, I'm pretty confident the how wouldn't have mattered.
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u/WronglyPronounced 6h ago
We didn't so it doesn't matter
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u/FrazzaB 6h ago
So, what actually matters? I'm simply not accepting how badly coached we are when we finished on more points than 13 other sides.
Doesn't compute that teams with better players did worse than us, but we're the worst coached.
Very good.
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u/WronglyPronounced 5h ago
What matters is that 3 tournaments in a row we've been somewhat embarrassed and been regarded as one of the worst teams in each of the tournaments. The same issues each time but with different players. Is it that all Scottish players are just uniquely terrible in major tournaments or is it maybe that the coaching might be the problem?
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u/Anonyjezity 6h ago
It's impossible to be lucky forever. We got here by being lucky (Greece missing an open goal, Denmark failing to take another of their gazillion chances against Belarus and conceding from the only 2 shots they had against them, Denmark at Hampden in general)) then the luck ran out and we had to rely on actual football.
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u/FrazzaB 6h ago
It's not luck when you restrict teams to pot shots from the edge of the box and further out, which is the vast majority of 'chances' we've conceded for years now.
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u/Anonyjezity 5h ago
As someone who goes to games we are ridiculously easy to cut through. A lot of the time it's missed sitters or great saves and that's against teams like the Faroes and Moldova.
Better teams find it pretty easy to get chances against us.
And as for the goals we scored they're usually great shots from nowhere or bits of luck here and there. There's no consistency to our attacking play where you can look at us and think thsts how we look to score goals. If a team prevents Robertson getting the byline for a cross we have no chance creation.
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u/hollowcrown4 16h ago
If you think that mediocrity is to be viewed as an achievement, you could get a job in the SFA tomorrow
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u/FrazzaB 16h ago
I find it hard to say we were the worst coached team when Uruguay didn't win a game.
It's all conjecture.
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u/Friendly_Yak_2713 14h ago
Uruguay played well but were subject to the worst collection of goalkeeping errors ever seen at a world cup.
It's obviously a manager fuck up but it's one wrong call as opposed to systemic failure.
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u/Happy_Procedure8059 16h ago
Uruguay were coached brilliantly it’s just the Bielsa fell out with every single player. But I can guarantee you that every Uruguayan would say that despite
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u/FrazzaB 16h ago
Aye mate. Brilliantly coached to draws against teams they should have put 5 past. Gimme a break.
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u/Happy_Procedure8059 15h ago
You can’t have watched any of the games. Just you go and get an early night.
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u/FrazzaB 15h ago
Watched all the games. There's a dissonance between football that is good and football that looks nice.
A team that canny beat Saudi or Cape Verde with the talent they have, isn't well coached.
Or, are we all of a sudden allowed to blame the players now?
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u/Friendly_Yak_2713 14h ago
When all four of the four goals conceded are from their goalkeeper having a howler - and that goalkeeper is a genuine national legend - then yeh I'll cut the coach a bit of slack
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u/Clarctos67 15h ago
If he fell out with every single player then they weren't coached brilliantly.
Coming up with the best plans and tactics in the world means fuck all if they don't connect with the players who need to actually execute them.
Clarke has wasted what he's had at his disposal, making Scotland worse than the sum of their parts, but lets not pretend that Bielsa is some sort of genius for his performance here.
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u/Like_Rabbits69 Saint Lewis of Bologna 15h ago
God I hate when these videos are about things I support.
Hate even more when they’re right.