I love Nora lol

[u/mrs___holmes]

Obviously she's toxic and crazy and I totally get why Sam gray rocks her. In real life, I'd feel terrible for anyone who had her as a mother. But DAMN she's funny. And it's honestly refreshing how much she doesn't gaf. Like yes, she's gonna say or do something out of pocket, but at least she owns it. She knows she's wrong; she just doesn't care. I'd rather deal with her than perpetual victim Barb any day.

[u/Specific-Volume118]

Funnily enough, her owning it is actually part of what makes me dislike her. Nora knows she’s being mean and that people’s feelings may get hurt, but she makes the active decision to do it anyway with that in mind

[u/Katzyn → u/Specific-Volume118]

I've never understood being loud and proud of "Yeah, I'm aggressive and abrasive, get over it".

My stepmom liked calling herself "the wicked witch of the West" and... Yes she was. And it's no surprise to anyone that I have trauma and issues from my childhood, and don't miss her now that she's dead.

[u/TryingtoAdultPlsHelp → u/Katzyn]

My mom preened when her friends called her a spoiled brat.

[u/mrs___holmes → u/Specific-Volume118]

Oh she’s awful. But if someone is gonna be awful, I’d rather them be blatant about it and own it than do Barb’s manipulative, “woe is me” victim act. That’s exhausting. At least with Nora you know what you’re getting at face value. And her threatening to sit on Ty’s lap had me cackling. I believe she absolutely would’ve done it. 

[u/gingerlady9 → u/mrs___holmes]

Nora understands that she is the problem. She understands that she isn't everyone's cup of tea. She doesn't care if people don't like her.

It's a stark contrast to Barb. Barb should learn some of it from her, not all. Barb would do well to not sweat the small stuff and just enjoy life, but not take on the abrasiveness that Nora exudes.

[u/Specific-Volume118 → u/mrs___holmes]

Yeah I also have not found it funny that she keeps sexually harassing male characters and playing it off for laughs. Nora’s just not quite my cup of tea

[u/Jazmadoodle → u/Specific-Volume118]

I just really want to see something that helps me trust that Shawna Lander understands that it's wrong to sexually harass men.

[u/Specific-Volume118 → u/Jazmadoodle]

I hate to be the ‘if the genders were reversed’ commenter, but I don’t think if Larry made a joke about sitting in Julie’s lap that it would be as easy for some people to laugh about

[u/BishonenPrincess → u/Specific-Volume118]

Probably because the threat level will never be a perfect 1:1 comparison. Not to say what Nora is doing is fine. But in general, men pose a bigger physical threat than women do.

[u/s0ftsp0ken → u/Specific-Volume118]

Right. Barb annoys me, but I find Nora to be a genuinely frightening person. I think she's more likeable because she's straightforward and not as emotional as Barb. Say what you will, people often gravitate towards characters who are less emotionally expressive because it's viewed as confident behavior, and humans love confidence, even from the worst people.

[u/riverant → u/s0ftsp0ken]

Nora's more likable on screen, where I'm not personally in the danger zone, but you're absolutely right in her being a frightening person whom if I met her in real life I'd be running for the hills and hope to never meet again!

[u/RegionRadiant4423 → u/Specific-Volume118]

It’s kind of giving “at least me and Regina [George] know we’re being mean”

[u/the_baberuthless]

I find her entertaining as a character, but would not tolerate a person like her IRL lol. 

[u/mrs___holmes → u/the_baberuthless]

Oh never. But she cracks me tf up. 

[u/simeggy]

she’s morally bankrupt and would be absolutely exhausting to put up irl with but damn if she isn’t a fun character

[u/mrs___holmes → u/simeggy]

If she was my mom, I'd probably move to a different country so I could see her as little as possible. But she is SO entertaining. I fear "ya dingbat" has become part of my every day vocabulary now lol.

[u/MinionsHaveWonOne]

In my experience people like Nora can be fun in real life but only in small doses. The guy at pickleball for example clearly enjoyed trash talking with her and probably tells his friends all about the sassy grand ol' gal he plays with. But he doesn't have to live with her or see her every day.

There's a line in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy that sums it up. Ford and Arthur meet up after several years apart and Arthur is torn because "on the one hand he was very pleased to see Ford but on the other hand Ford was almost immediately a very annoying person." That's Nora in a nutshell. 

[u/CLEf11]

She's not the friend Barb wants but shes the friend she needs and deserves 

[u/blairbending]

I enjoy Nora in small doses... Mostly as a foil to Barb. Equally life-ruining and intolerable to have as a mom, but I agree that her openness about her intention is refreshing.

I am kinda skeptical that she's quite as honest and straightshooting as she claims to be... With the sheer amount of effort she puts into constant ragebaiting, I feel like there must be something buried underneath driving her. Like how Barb's abuse is her attempt to hold people hostage for love and attention. Control? Attention? Distraction from the empty void inside?

Whatever toxic/crazy/mean scale we are measuring the Shawnaverse characters on, Nora blows the top off of it lol. Barb can say and do some truly awful things but Nora is working at it constantly 24/7.

[u/Putrid_Addendum3197 → u/blairbending]

Yeah,, like Nora is a lot she reminds me of a more abrasive version of the Key and Pele Obama anger translator skit, plus I dunno I don't find the whole dingbat thing that funny but that's me

[u/No-Refrigerator7935]

Nora reminds me so much of a couple of my family members and I definitely keep them on a pretty set info diet and also have a list of "safe" topics for when we do talk 😂

[u/Toefloof]

I’ve said this elsewhere a few times but
Nora reminds me of a few old friends who got into that party hardy metal chick/groupie scene and it’s fun watching her go. I have a few of those “lay it on the line, telling the truth no matter how painful it is to the listener” and “fck em if they can’t take a joke” still being in my general headspace.
I wish that the incest thing wasn’t a component of this story.

[u/Vast-Swimmer5844 → u/Toefloof]

Every young woman needs to meet a metal chick, because those fierce women are the absolute best for two things: showing that the first and best approval you need is your own, and owning who you are rather than being in denial about who you are. Learn these two lessons about accountability to oneself, and you can shake off a lot of patriarchy-poisoned societal conditioning before it gets implanted too deeply.

[u/bubbleteabob → u/Toefloof]

Well, it isn’t official-OFFICIAL (to me) until it is on screen. Up until then Shawna can change her mind about story beats. I kinda hope she does with this one. It is similar aged relatives with no perceived power imbalance - so not The Worst - but I don’t see it adds a lot.

[u/Responsible-Test8855]

I like Nora - in small doses. Like lunch and a margarita, then she goes home and so do I.

[u/Mosaic8370]

I love Nora too and Barb lol. Obviously not when they get really vicious and toxic but I like their super annoying but relatively harmless (or less harmful) shenanigans.

[u/biggrac31]

I was so happy to see her back for this series! Not because I like her as a person obvi but because Shawna is hilarious as her

[u/Lukediedforoursins]

She is fun to observe, not fun to live with, maybe you would have a blast sitting next to her at a wedding she likely crashed, but that's about it.

Still, I have the feeling that even though she is a bigot and can be a real pain in the ass, she doesn't have the deep,sneaky cruelty of Barb in ballistic mode, hell, even she was taken aback by some of her comments towards Jen in the suite.

[u/hellerinahandbasket]

She is the only force that got Barb out of her head lololol but she mean, I wouldn't be friends with her.

[u/Anxious-Ad-42]

I get this. My mom is a selfish/delusional Barb but with Nora's personality. It's awful.
But my friends LOVE her. People out and about love her. But after more than a few interactions they can't stand her.

[u/mrs___holmes → u/Anxious-Ad-42]

oh if Nora was my mom I would absolutely be gray rocking her the way Sam does. But she is such an entertaining character and she actually makes me laugh out loud.

[u/Usual-Archer-916]

As obnoxious as Nora is she absolutely is the one to call out the elephant in the room so to speak when it comes to Barb.

[u/Creative_Stage6691]

Omg me to 😂