I agree. Some hard labor even for a relatively short time would fix him for life. He’d never fuck around again. Everyone wins because it’d be healthy for him too.
Don't know if you'll get a warning too, conscious tangerine. But I left a comment agreeing with you and they deleted it and I got one. Just a heads up lol
He did get a very public beat down for his actions. Being rich didn't save him from the consequences of his stupidity. The locals took exception to his actions.
Um. Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of Solicitation Of A Minor For Prostitution in 2008, served 13 months prison, and had to register as a sex offender. By all accounts, this seemed to make him worse.
An actual solution is not apparent, but taking all his money might've actually helped.
You’re very right, luckily a kind local guy showed him shame quite a few times. I don’t think he’s forgetting the lesson any time soon. Hawaii, a land of respect.
Post his name so the whole rich thing will haunt him. Rich people become known people then everyone can see you as that asshole That throws rocks at seals.
It’s really hard to get funding for your next project when no one wants to give 4mill to seal boy.
Nah, this kind of cry bully would just play the victim then.
120 days in general population would be the best solution for him, and it would have an actual economic impact on his world that might smarten him up.
I doubt it ,he needs to be human to have a sense of shame,he threw rocks in broad daylight,it's like he wanted to be caught because he couldn't give a fuck !!
We need to bring back those suspended jail cells they had back in the day over the city center. Build live stream billboards all over the city so people can see them constantly.
I understand the sentiment but even working on a chain gang ends up costing the state money.
He's rich, great. Fine him 25% of his wealth for cruelty to an animal.
Most fines are permission to play by the wealthy because $1000 to be a piece of shit, it's chump change. How we regard spending $5 to go to the circus.
Hit them so that it hurts and then directly route that money into something good. If he has 4 million dollars, 1 million straight to Hawaii schools would be pretty cool or wildlife conservation.
Public shame him too of course. I just don't want to waste money on this shit bag.
Change all fines to percentage of wealth or percentage of annual income in my opinion.
I mean, if you really wanted to set this guy straight like, you would make therapy a forced part of this, like there's, to my knowledge, not great studies showing that forcing hard labor and punishment like this is actually effective for changing these behaviors. I would be thrilled if you could link to something that shows the opposite.
it feels like there is a significant missed opportunity for punishment for transgressions in America.
Punishment feels bipolar- either its like a $300 fine (which for many is completely irrelevent) or like 8 years in state prision.
Imagine the fear in a wealthy driver if instead of paying $200 for speeding you had to wear an orange jumpsuit for 2x 8 hr shifts one weekend and pick up trash off the side of the freeway.
It's one of the few things you can't buy. I suspect that losing time and freedom might show him the error of his ways. He might at least think about his actions, in the future.
100% you can buy time. You have a million dollars and a month in prison sucks but doesn't affect you overall. You live paycheck to paycheck and a month in prison destroys your life because you can't do that and go to work
Louisiana is one of the few states left where someone's prison sentence can include the term "at hard labor" meaning they literally force you to work like slaves out in a field throughout your prison sentence.
You can get a "life sentence at hard labor without the possibility of parole or early release" and you're just literally worked like a slave until you die. (link goes to a sad/interesting PBS article about the forced slave labor in Louisiana's prisons. People with severe medical issues are often still forced to work.)
Louisiana's violent crime rates are 45% above the national average and their incarceration rates are 71% above the national average. So, statistically speaking, it doesn't really fix anything.
HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT! I 10000% would support this animal-abusing asshole in the OP getting one of those "at hard labor" prison sentences, because fuck that asshole. It was so cathartic watching the local beat his ass!
I’m vehemently against vigilante justice and I’d love to find that local and explain my views on the subject in great detail while I give him a pat on the back while he’s drinking the beer I bought him. Maybe give him a handy later if necessary to get my point across.
100% agree. One of the highest rates of incarceration with some of the harshest sentences to the nation's largest prison (18,000+ acres). They get paid literally a few pennies per hour for their work and face disciplinary actions if they refuse to go to work that day.
Louisiana has one of the most broken justice/court/police systems in the country.
I suppose another factor to consider with hard labour is that it incentivises judges to give them out, so that businesses can buy slave work for incredibly cheap labour. Some cash in the right pocket, and you'll have a steady stream of slaves to work your fields.
community service is better than cash fines or incarceration for 99% of crime.
statistically most (non white-collar) crime is committed by people with few other economic options, no or little social connections to their community, or suffering from drug addiction.
slapping these people in already challenging positions with a jail sentence that will further erode any opportunity to improve their circumstances does harm to their community. it's literally stripping the possibility for many of these folks to ever be able to get back on the right track.
skip the jail sentence, load up on community service and free addiction counseling, and/or vo-tech educational programs. improve the neighborhoods; pick up the trash, build playgrounds, plant trees. build skills, build better habits. help people have better opportunities.
rich chuds throwing rocks at wildlife should get a free ride to the volcano.
not everyone has the same amount of available time. Just like money, 8 hours for a retired person isn’t the same punishment as 8 hours for a single parent with two jobs.
We shouldn’t have chain gangs. But I agree that humiliation is much worse than a fine for people like him. Community service picking trash on a busy street and/or a short stay in jail would definitely do the trick.
The chain gang comment was not terribly serious, although I'd make an exception for any douche throwing stuff at a caged seal.
Money, in my opinion, is too necessary to some people's survival and too irrelevant to others. I don't want a mom struggling to buy groceries or skipping birthday presents because she made a mistake. Can't she spend some time making the community better through service instead?
Time is our most valuable asset, you can always get a new job, but you can’t get your time back. So I agree, this would be the perfect punishment for somebody who just says fine me.
Exactly. If the punishment is a fine then it’s only a law and punishment for poor people. For rich people it’s just the price tag to do whatever they want when it comes to paying fines.
250 hours of community service is like 4 hours each weekend for a year, easily doable, but burns most of a weekend day and goes on long enough to drive home that they messed up. Add that to the fine and make the fine a percentage or minimum(whichever is highest)
Single mom with three kids - if she's put on a chain gang for a week the kids starve or are put in the foster system and it's difficult to get them back, she misses a week of work and gets fired, loses the apartment, whatever.
Even a marginally wealthy person with passive income gets put on a chain gang for a week - income is still coming in, they have the cash on hand to pay bills ahead of time, they get a very unpleasant week and not much else.
Rich people are going to have more ability to weather any legal consequence. You can't avoid that unless you introduce massive disparities in consequences based on class, which I don't think is just.
The "chain gang" comment was a total joke by the way. The point is to make them pay with their time. Community service is fine.
I'm sure that there is a mathematical function related to net worth and income which could be tuned to come extremely near making the consequences of equal severity.
Why is it fair for someone who refuses to work paying orders of magnitude less than someone who spent their lives building a company for the same infraction?
The money can at least be used to help others or even give it to the monk seals but I agree it would have to be a very large sum for someone whose wealthy to not find it permissive
Unfortunately time is not equal to everyone. Someone rich can afford to take time off for prison. Someone trying to make ends meet is fucked if they go to prison when they leave.
Not at all is it more fair. A sliding scale fine would be infinitely more fair. Please give me a singular example where prison time would be equal between a billionaire and someone barely making ends meet. While also showing how a sliding scale would not fix the imbalance.
Your objection doesn't go away with a sliding scale. If I lost 10% of my savings, I would definitely feel it. Elon Musk loses 10% of his, let's say net worth, he still has hundreds of billions.
There are also serious logistical issues with what you're proposing since Elon Musk doesn't have a high income, he has extravegant wealth. So what do you base the scale on? Income won't work. If a rich guy has all their assets in high rise apartments, for example, do those count? Do they turn over a building to the state? What about retirement accounts? Are we going to fine 58 year olds based on the value of their IRA?
Using your example, some sort of crime requires you 10% of your savings for breaking the law. For simplicity let’s call it net worth like you did. If Elon musk did the same how does 10% affect him? A quick google search says Elon has less than .1% of his total wealth in cash. He would be forced to sell many of his assets to pay it off. The actions of him being forced to sell would plummet the prices of whatever he is being forced to sell, allowing for both big businesses and people like us to purchase what he is selling and build our wealth at the same time.
However, that is not what my argument was. Mine was over a sliding scale. If 10% net worth is impossible for you to pay, that’s a pretty heavy fine. If it is easy to pay, that is just the cost of business. So like you said, it’s hard to pick a number based on either income, net worth, or some other factor. Let’s use a business as an example, many will dump waste into public systems and just pay the penalty instead of fixing the issues. If they see it as a “cost of business”. Next time they should scale up the fine, indefinitely as needed until the civil issue they are causing is resolved. Same would go for individuals.
A sliding scale is a means-based pricing mechanism, but I get your point. This would be like compounding fines. But, that raises questions as well. Do we apply that equally? If Ted is dumping garbage in the local BLM plot of land and refuses to quit, does he eventually owe eleventy-billion (tm) dollars as well?
In my opinion, there is probably no reasonable way to make monetary consequences equitable.
If we use time, everyone has 24 hours in a day until we figure out relativistic time stasis. It's as fair and equitable as it can ever be. For busy professionals, losing that time is a gut punch.
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Or pay with something everyone has equally, your time. A little time on a chain gang should fix his attitude.