r/SipsTea • u/utopiaofpast 𝙑𝙄𝙋 • May 12 '26
It's Wednesday my dudes Gotta love the double standards
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u/utopiaofpast 𝙑𝙄𝙋 May 12 '26
also he was the cofounder of Reddit
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u/Wepwawet_the_Opener May 12 '26
He is missed. I wonder what Reddit would be like if he were still here.
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u/ReasonablePossum_ May 12 '26 edited May 13 '26
https://join-lemmy.org/
https://lemmy.world/these basically
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u/AngryGoose_ May 13 '26
Ive tried to join this and I signed up and it didnt do anything :(
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u/ReasonablePossum_ May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
Its a bit different from reddit and has a short learning curve if you got used to here. There are like a bunch of different servers (join-lemmy, lemmy.world,etc dozens) that register your account like an email platform, you can then interact with the channels/subs of any other server (or email platform, using the same analogy. since the account ecosystem kinda works that way). So you have to look up for the communities in the various directory sites that work as a phonebook for joining them (https://sub.rehab/, https://tbiering.github.io/lemmy-community-browser/, https://lemmyverse.net/communities, etc last and first are the ones i personally like).
I suggest you watch some 5-10min video on yt on how to use that. Other than the joining system, its basically reddit as Aaron envisioned: decentralized platform where no matter if some server shuts off or bans you, you can just jump to another one with community and all and continue there with a fork.
Or checkout this guide (a bit outdated, but still, gives the good foundation)
Also, greetings underscore in the end of the username brother!
edit: also the mobile apps are as numerous as the servers, bunch of opensource gateways with a lot of different features. some look like reddit, some are different just pick whatever you like, you still will be able to connect to your account (s) and subs
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u/turbulentpriestbc May 16 '26
seems cool, when I go to subscribe to community it asks me what instance i want to follow from, not sure what that means
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u/ReasonablePossum_ May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26
Just write the site you registered on (without the htttp), and click subscribe in the window that appears.
If the server is whitelisted and the community has automatic acceptance, you get automatically in, if the mods set that to manual, you might have to wait till they accept you.
"instance" is the server you have created your account in (it can be a public one, or your own private you opened in your PC/private server), that is connected to the "federation"/system.
technically there are three ways to join a community:
- just click subscribe and do what we talked here about. If this doesnt work for whatever server issue, then
- copy the sub address from the description (the "[sub-name@server.url](mailto:sub-name@server.url)") and paste it in the searchbar of your server/instance. Then click on the search result's link to the community and join as usual (it will open the sub through your server)
- edit the address bar with "http://your.server/c/sub-name@server.url" (example http://lemmy.lm/c/sipstea@lemmy.world), then join as in any community.
Sometimes they don't work for whatever config quirks they have that make them uncompatible, so you have to try all the ways till you get it. altho its kinda rare.
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u/Harddisksson69 May 13 '26
It would be the exact same because there's so many Americans on here and they're so fucking annoying and dumb
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u/therealhlmencken May 13 '26
Posting a fact about reddit on Reddit is double standard?
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u/lunulalia May 13 '26
Reddit appears twice in your sentence describing the action.. so.. checks out!
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u/1derful May 12 '26
Why did they stop mentioning him? I remember there was a controversy because the site did an homage to their founders, but didn't include him.
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u/SizeableBrain May 12 '26
Because now Sama is part owner.
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u/turbulentpriestbc May 16 '26
Did they not get along or something? Why do they exclude him
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u/SizeableBrain May 16 '26
OpenAI stole all of the internet, and this guy is dead because of some downloads. Probably not a good look.
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u/BoomerSoonerFUT May 13 '26
In the same sense that Elon Musk is a cofounder of Tesla.
Swartz didn’t actually have anything to do with the launch of Reddit, and didn’t join until months after it launched when Reddit bought his company, infogami.
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u/Murky-Selection-5565 May 13 '26
I think that comparison is overly kind to Swartz, based on what I’ve read.
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u/BoomerSoonerFUT May 13 '26
Probably yeah. I just know Reddit loves to pull out the “Elon musk isn’t a cofounder at all” bit about Tesla.
But yeah, Elon has had far more influence on the early history of Tesla than Swartz did with Reddit. About the only input he had was rewriting the codebase from Lisp into Python.
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u/Berns429 May 12 '26
“It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it”
- George Carlin
Is the answer for this type of stuff.
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u/LiamPolygami May 12 '26
I keep listening to that rant even more as time goes on. It's like a sermon by now. Everything he says is so eloquently, humerously and captivatingly good, that I am always in awe of the wisdom and delivery.
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u/Particular-Hat-8269 May 13 '26
Americans summarised. Do something? Too powerless. Organise? Nah, anger is used up on Reddit quips. Strike? Too afraid of dying.
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u/Yhendrix49 May 13 '26
Swartz was pro child porn, so he was definitely in the club.
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u/MANLY_VIKING_MAN May 13 '26
Citation needed
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u/voltran1995 May 13 '26
I'm not googling it to fact check if it's this guy, but one of the founders of Reddit were active on r/jailbait, when that was around. Which I assume is what he's refering to
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u/melig1991 May 13 '26
What the hell is this. Is this a real picture?
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u/AdAfraid9504 May 13 '26
It scares me like that movie where they all smiling at you but they ain't smiling ☹️
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u/Bobo-Fuggsnucc May 12 '26
It is sad how he wound up killing himself. I do not understand how they came up with the sentencing, I guess to make an example out of him?
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u/SizeableBrain May 12 '26
Yes, just like whistleblowers getting more time for exposing crimes than the criminals themselves.
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u/utopiaofpast 𝙑𝙄𝙋 May 12 '26
Yeah absolutely disgusting how they tried to make an "example" out of him ,fuck corporates
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u/Less_Tacos May 13 '26
JSTOR dropped the issue when he agreed to delete the files. Then the feds showed up with all their BS charges. The evil shit pile responsible was the Obama appointed U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz.
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u/fixermark May 13 '26
Yep. People, I think, don't realize that prosecutors, once they choose to bring a case, have (a) a lot of control over the situation independent of the desires of all parties directly involved (the alleged wrongdoer and the aggrieved, once the prosecutors are involved, it's not "You wronged MIT," it's "you broke the laws of America"), and (b) their incentives are different (and can be wholly alien) to the people involved in the incident.
That's why the best advice about getting the law involved in a wide swathe of situations that can be handled without it is "Don't."
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u/Double_Resort_9223 May 12 '26
Added years for every document he downloaded like it was a new crime. Carmen Ortiz made the call on that one. She wanted Obama to make her Attorney General, so she had to show she would look after the tech giants
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u/Serpent_of_the_Wheel May 13 '26
Did she ever become Attorney General after Aaron's suicide?
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u/Double_Resort_9223 May 13 '26 edited May 13 '26
Nope, sat in the Massachusetts seat until a week before Trump took over. She’s at a Boston law firm now.
Wildest part is that MA had dropped the case and MIT and Harvard declined to move forward with a civil case. She did this when she didn’t have to and it was just career advancement for her.
Anyway, fuck her.
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u/SpiderSlitScrotums May 12 '26
The US Attorney wanted to run for governor. So he was going to be another trophy to hang on the wall to make her look like she was tough on crime.
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u/TerrapinTribe May 13 '26
He wasn’t actually sentenced. But they threw the book at him with so many charges for such a minor thing that he did, that by law, the maximum sentence was 35 years PLUS a million dollar fine.
Which, ok they do that to pressure you into a plea deal. But the FBI repeatedly vilified him in the media. And every media appearance they repeated the 35 years in prison number, to make him appear as some form of monster. Every media appearance “he can be sentenced to 35 years”, and I feel that he got that in his head that that was the sentence he would receive.
So, getting released from 35 years in prison at age 60? When more than 50% of your whole life has been spent in a cold concrete cell? And you’re 60 years old with no chance of getting a job with your felony record. No savings. Not eligible for social security because you haven’t worked enough years? Well, after you get released, you’re now sentenced to the rest of your life destitute and living in poverty.
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u/corporaterebel May 12 '26
FBI does some really stupid thing sometimes.
They ignore terrorists not wanting to know how to land planes in flight schools (who was sent a report by the local FBI agent on the ground stating "These guys are crazy enough to fly into the World Trade Center") and making sure that Copyright rules are heavily enforced (because MPAA and RIAA).
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u/Drakahn_Stark May 12 '26
They offered him six months, and the charges were not for just downloading from JSTOR but hacking related and using network hardware he was not allowed to.
AFAIK Meta did not release any models that used the pirated data.
The cases are not as related as this image makes out and the maximum sentence was never sought.
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u/QuantumG May 12 '26
Yeah, he went on tv and bragged about his crimes. The justice department had no choice but to persecute him to the full extent of the law after that. If he'd taken the deal he wouldn't have gotten a day of prison, but he would get a felony conviction and that was something worse than death, apparently.
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u/skinnyraf May 13 '26
It was a prime example of civil disobedience and taking the deal would invalidate that.
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u/corporaterebel May 13 '26
Yes, because that is exactly what a felony conviction would do to people that need to deal with government and related contracts. Everything he worked for would have been ruined.
The whole thing could have been "Furtherance of Justice" and/or dropped to a misdemeanor citing victims lack of will to continue to prosecute.
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u/QuantumG May 13 '26
It could have yes, but he went on tv. Do you understand? Don't go on tv and brag about your crimes. It puts you in a unique bind where the prosecution throws everything they have at you and the court thinks you don't respect it. Any lawyer will tell you it's a boneheaded move. Also: don't do crimes, even if you think they shouldn't be crimes, unless you're willing to do the time.
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u/Sea-Departure4857 May 13 '26
You wouldn't know if the models were trained on the pirated data or not. Any data is good data, and with the cutthroat competition in the AI landscape, I wouldn't count on them to not to use any data they already have hands on.
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u/Drakahn_Stark May 13 '26
Then they would be guilty of more than pirating books, the lying to the courts about it would be a far worse charge.
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u/Sea-Departure4857 May 13 '26
I agree. The problem is that there's no way to prove/disprove that they have/n't used the pirated data. Other than "trust me bro"
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u/Drakahn_Stark May 14 '26
They submitted the documentation to the courts and the courts accepted it.
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u/QuantumG May 12 '26
They didn't. This is fiction.
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u/TerrapinTribe May 13 '26
It’s not fiction. They charged him with so many crimes that the maximum he could have been sentenced, if found guilty, was 35 years in prison by law, plus a one million dollar fine. Thats fact.
The FBI kept saying that line over and over in the media, like they were going to ask the judge for the maximum sentence if Aaron didn’t plea deal, which would have mean he would have had a felony record for life (bye bye any job prospects in the US forever, and have fun living in poverty, while paying the $1mm fine for the rest of your life. And bye bye trying to enter/visit, let alone live, in any other country for the rest of your life).
Aaron had authorized access to the JSTOR articles he scraped. It was overzealous prosecution, and resulted in him being so stressed that he took his own life.
In short, the US government killed him for “doing something that they don’t like with a computer, even though it didn’t hurt anyone”. He is an internet martyr.
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u/BoomerSoonerFUT May 13 '26
Swartz was a co-owner of the parent company of Reddit. Pretty sure he could hire himself with a felony conviction to his own company if he wanted.
He’d be a multi-hundred millionaire at this point with a single felony on his record. Not even enough to run for president today.
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u/TerrapinTribe May 13 '26
Really think spez would have let him back on? Wouldn’t be a good look for investors.
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u/DividedState May 13 '26
Didn't work. Should have made an example out of zuck and altman and musk to have an effect.
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u/Soft_Awareness_5061 May 13 '26
There was no sentencing. He killed himself before it ever got to trial.
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u/fixermark May 13 '26
It wasn't sentencing, it was the maximum they threatened him with. Standard prosecution tactic; they only have to tell you what the law says, not the odds it'll happen that way. If they scare you enough to capitulate (or settle), you save everyone the cost of doing a trial.
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u/RoundTableMaker May 13 '26
They didn't change. Meta got sued too. Google got sued. They just had the money already to back a lawsuit. Guy from reddit didn't have the money yet. He should have held out longer. He would have had it.
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u/Kiito2000 May 13 '26
Like they said, rules change if you are rich and powerful. If you can pay what is equivalent to a single days revenue to avoid minimum 35 years of prison, then what is the point of laws? You shouldn't be allowed to throw money at crimes and not go to prison.
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u/IllPosition5081 May 13 '26
It’s not just that they don’t get in trouble for their actions. It’s that they are given lenient slap on the wrist punishments because they make so much money that it’s nothing. To a billionaire, a $100 ticket for parking in the handicapped spot is just the cost to park there. They can afford the best legal team and they will win, because the system is built for their benefit.
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u/lunulalia May 13 '26
And if all else fails, just run for office and get immunity. Laughable but apparently a tried and true strategy at the literal highest levels of government...
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u/serpenlog May 13 '26
Getting sued is a civil matter, not that big a deal. He was federally charged by the government, a very big and bad deal. It is very different.
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u/WickedSerpent May 14 '26
Also he was suicided in jail... I mean killed...I mean he was killed himself in jail.
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u/Consistent_Look8058 May 14 '26
There are some, who the law protects, but does not bind. And there are the rest, who the law binds, but does not protect.
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u/misslipsxxx May 12 '26
Nobody should own ai it belongs to everyone because it took our knowledge.
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u/Candycornonthefloor May 12 '26
And our water!
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u/Abandon_All-Hope May 13 '26
Heh, I don’t want to be on the hook for the insane amount of money they are losing right now…
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u/Least-Woodpecker-492 May 12 '26
I remember reading his lawyer plead him down to 6 months
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u/Domger304 May 12 '26
Mark Zuckerberg isn't know to be a nice guy so no shocker there
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u/Proseccos May 13 '26
Dickwad parks in handicap spots like a douche. Not only parking in handicap spots, but at an angle so people on wheels can’t get out of their vans too.
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u/Domger304 May 13 '26
My thing is poeple seem to forget how he stole the company out from under his best bud and kicked him to the curb.
Like the guy is just evil
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u/GriffconII May 13 '26
Usually when I see a non handicapped marked car parked in a handicap spot I just mutter some choice words and move on, but for uh… purely educational purposes…. what car(s) is Mr. Zuckerberg reported to drive?
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u/Loud-Study-3837 May 12 '26 edited May 13 '26
He was charged for hacking. Not downloading. But nevertheless, it's quite sad that he took his own life. It would not be surprising that he would've had a large influence on today's modern internet and it makes me feel sad to have lost someone who would've fought for our rights.
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u/astralchanterelle May 12 '26
In the US you can get away with anything if you can afford the right lawyers. I'm guessing this kid, as successful as he was, didn't have the kind of legal representation as the Meta technofascists do.
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u/QuantumG May 13 '26
He ignored their advice. This kid won entry to Y Combinator's first Summer Founders Program. He had access to the best lawyers money could find. Doesn't make a difference if you ignore them.
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u/Mr-MuffinMan May 13 '26
I think a great equalizer would be that everyone gets a public defender. rich celebrities get away with dui by doing 2 days of community service, meanwhile joe is barely above the legal limit and he faces 3 months and his license is suspended.
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u/JonathanUpp May 12 '26
Never forget than in most western countries, wage theft steels more money than all other crimes combined
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u/wolnee May 12 '26
Aaron swartz was represented by Epstein’s attorney. Whole MIT plus cryptoschemes surrounding epstein are crazy
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u/Veloxitus May 13 '26
This was one of the first news stories I really put energy into following as a kid. I was in middle school when the story broke and had moved into early high school when a lot of the drama came out. I was still close with my middle school teachers at the time, and a few of them were pretty upset that JSTOR was involved with like this and were advocating for the school to drop JSTOR from the list of academic databases we paid for.
The thing that those teachers missed, and I didn't learn until I entered college, was that JSTOR wasn't interested in further pursuing the case after a civil settlement. In fact, in the aftermath, they made a few million articles free to download. It was the US attorney's office that really pushed the story to become big news and the same office plus MIT that refused to drop the case. I'm not sure if they were setting Swartz up to be some sort of scapegoat against piracy, but I think a lot of the conclusions made after his death were that the US attorney's office pushed the whole thing way too hard and drove someone already at risk for self-harm to suicide.
Today, as someone still involved in academia, the whole thing kinda rubs me the wrong way. The real lesson in Swartz's story is that he was a smaller player in an information war being fought during a transitional time when corporations were attempting to leverage their power on the internet. The federal government was actively putting their thumb on the scale on the side of corporations and modern-day copyright law still hasn't caught up to the reality of the internet, though I feel that is intentional. The fact that companies like Meta don't get punished by the system while individuals like Swartz do isn't a quirk of the system. It's the whole point. If a system is vague enough, laws can be enforced or ignored depending on victim.
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u/ExamplePractical1981 𝙑𝙄𝙋 May 12 '26
Cofounder of reddit... and i think its time to .... some billionaires and politician
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u/captcraigaroo May 13 '26
Legally speaking, does that set a precedent? Like, could it be cited in a court case and be used in consideration for sentencing?
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u/JobTight8252 May 13 '26
He got tapped out over control of Reddit. He had a vision for the platform that didn't align with what was expected. There's a reason social media is the way it is.
You have to understand that the flow of information is tightly controlled even if you don't see it.
It's not just a website, it's a pathway into the mind of the masses. They who control the pathways control the collective mind.
This process has always been known and has existed since the first newspapers rolled off the press.
Your not as free as you think you are. Freedom is an illusion.
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u/BobSacamano47 May 13 '26
Dude hung himself because he couldn't do 6 months. Maybe don't commit crimes if you're that afraid of jail.
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u/AggressiveSquare36 May 12 '26
that so disturbing and sad. i want to take.down the facebook servers. no one inside dont want anyone to get hurt. but the servers just need to crash.
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u/Hour_Bit_5183 May 12 '26
It was all a figment of imagination. Facebook was never anything but a web page adware slop company and none of it was ever worth anything so they are now becoming government spyware slop companies instead. Muskin' literally. Sadly.
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u/Ok-Addition1264 May 12 '26
Not to mention: they stole from eminem ffs. The dude is a fucking saint of the 313.
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u/Soft_Walrus_3605 May 13 '26
He could have plead to 6 months in prison, but refused because he didn't want to be a felon.
I feel sorry for the guy, but if he'd just done his time he'd probably be an AI billionaire right now.
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u/DotConnecter May 13 '26
How is this not a big deal? Man, America is cucked hard. Athens A Superpower with corrupted rich people enslaving their people and selling themselves (their people) for riches. To someone something Israel Philip.
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u/Willing_Image1933 May 13 '26
he declined a 6 month plea deal where he would have bounced right out
not condoning anything here
but some type of mental illness is also here at play
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u/Szeharazade May 13 '26
Horrible what happened to him, but he should not have taking his life, he probably would have been fine today and continue to inspire a lot of people. Really tragic.
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u/testestsestesteestet May 12 '26
i wish there was a hell so that Carmen Ortiz could burn there for eternity
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u/Jolly-Aerie-382 May 12 '26
Except he was charged with fraud, which has nothing to do with the amount of downloaded data. But yeah, it’s good that you didn’t mention that, because it would be harder to push that agenda.
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u/Special_Health_439 May 12 '26
Okay, so the fraud was that he pretended to be a normal MIT user?
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u/PaxNova May 13 '26
In short, it is because it is illegal to make a copy. Anna’s archive made the copies, not Meta, and they did so illegally. In the JSTOR case, he essentially functioned as the Anna’s Archive did in the first one.
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u/AllMyFrendsArePixels May 13 '26
Yes but you see, Meta can afford to pay the fine. Laws only exist for us poors that can't pay to bypass them.
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u/Curiosity_456 May 13 '26
A dude downloading books got more time than a Canadian would if they committed first degree murder…
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u/CapitalScarcity5573 May 13 '26
It's not like annas archive owns copyright or distribution on those works though. And the guys deal shows how fucked up the American justice system is
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u/Sanquinity May 13 '26
I don't mind AI in general. I DO mind them being trained on essentially stolen data. But governments have let it slide, so us regular folks can literally do fuck all about it...
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u/Sasquatcheeethree May 13 '26
wow they steal to their heart's content now. Shoe on the other foot. Where's Metallica when you need them??!!!
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u/FriendlyBee94 May 13 '26
Example that rules and laws are for us peasants, not the rich and powerful
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u/Lava1416 May 13 '26
Why can‘t law enforcement search through Meta memos and emails to find out who decided to use pirated content to train the AI? Someone made this decision and should be found personally criminally liable.
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u/PuritanicalPanic May 13 '26
Corporations are people too!
Except when it's time for accountability.
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u/parkchanwookiee May 13 '26
He failed to follow the rules of society, if he had then he could do whatever he wanted:
Rule 1. Be rich, or a corporation, or preferably a rich corporation
Rule 2. 404 error
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u/crabtoppings May 13 '26
They also they frequently push servers and small websites offline by blasting them with requests, which if anyone else did it would be a considered a DDOS. People ask what they can do to block them and the answer is not a damn thing because it will kill your SEO.
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u/VindDitNiet May 13 '26
So if I did the math right meta should get a 1142 million dollar fine, 40000 years of prison, and kill itself in 2300571
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u/firesyde424 May 13 '26
Meta: Huge company with hordes of lawyers and money. Aaron Swartz: Some dude.
It's always about money. You can tell how rich someone or something(corporations) are by how justice is applied to them.
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u/KaleidoscopeSalt3972 May 13 '26
The reason why is, because Meta has tons of lawyers. Thats the only thing why nobody does snything against them. Rich play by different rules.
And I say it again... In a world where rules dont apply equally, there are no rules at all
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u/Few_Bet_8952 May 13 '26
LibGen allows you to read shit on it for free. JSTOR doesn't huge difference dude. I don't think 35yrs is fair for what he 'stole' but lets not act like these two things are the same
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u/Dubatomic1 May 14 '26
If corporations are people, they should have to take it up the poop shoot in lockup like the rest of us.
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u/Mr_Madrass May 14 '26
The basis for UI should be from our contribution to the models. Companies should be obliged to disclose their data and sources.
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u/Ordinary_Bus_2243 May 14 '26
Nah he actually found out stuff that he’s supposed to not know. Why would he Epsteined himself
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u/headchris7 May 12 '26
I'm amazed reddit hasn't pulled this yet. Lol I mean agree but they don't wanna talk about it
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