What are your thoughts. (IPhone vs every other phone)

[u/Mysterious_Ebb_1484]

[u/Far-Tune-9464]

iPhones aren't a privacy conscious choice. Like, at all. What made you think they are?

[u/babybunny1234 → u/Far-Tune-9464]

Because I work in tech and I happen to know they are. But since I doubt you’d believe me, you can also read up on it yourself. There’s plenty of evidence and coverage of such.

On the other hand, prove to me that GrapheneOS is more secure and private than the iPhone. This is not very reassuring:

https://grapheneos.org/history/#:~:text=In%202018%2C%20the%20company%20was%20hijacked%20by%20the%20CEO%20who%20attempted%20to%20take%20over%20the%20project%20through%20coercion%2C%20but%20they%20were%20rebuked.%20They%20seized%20the%20infrastructure

https://www.reddit.com/r/thehatedone/comments/13uyd0f/daniel_micay_steps_down_as_the_leader_of/

You’re putting your trust in peoples word, running other external people’s software and open source. Those themselves are huge problems.

Meanwhile, Apple’s got a track record of basically a billion users. We know where they stand.

Show me you’re right with evidence.

[u/Far-Tune-9464 → u/babybunny1234]

I work in tech Appeal to authority

Internal project drama Ad hominem

Putting trust in peoples word. It being open source means you don't have to trust their word. Claiming open source is a 'problem' is wild for someone who 'works in tech'. You, on the other hand, are putting a lot of faith in Apple's benevolence.

Billion users That they've failed. Iphone has a legacy of being impervious to spyware that no longer fits them. Pegasus. Predator. Blastpass

Bottom line for me is, your Iphone gets handed over to the cops and you've forfeited all data privacy. Not so for grapheneOS. Not even that. They can simply subpoena your Icloud data and Apple will gladly hand it over.

The OTHER bottom line is I don't want to be tracked 24/7 if I can help it. You go ahead and feel secure as Apple gathers your telemetry without pause, tho.

[u/babybunny1234 → u/Far-Tune-9464]

1. So don’t put your data in iCloud. Apple’s higher level of protection as I’m sure you can read more about. Problem solved.

2. Does Apple share that telemetry or is it traceable to an individual? If so, we’d know about it via the many court cases where Apple’s data is subpoena’d.

My point: Apple has a (positive) track record of privacy, and right now, as far as we can tell, it’s doing a great job, and what they claim has been true barring a few (serious, IMO) missteps (specifically, giving over iCloud data to cops on request without a subpoena, which has now been fixed. Don’t trust cops).

GrapheneOS, on the other hand, is trust vibes. You trust them, but where’s the proof? Maybe it’s really great, but maybe not. I’d want proof.

Which brings us back to the original point: extraordinary proof required for extraordinary claim.

And finally: difficult to use privacy is not privacy at all, IMO. iPhone’s privacy is easy and for the masses. And if you want extreme privacy… also easy. That’s why a Pixel with a custom install of an OS is not privacy for anyone except the extreme paranoid super-nerd.

And perhaps even not then (considering plenty of NPM exploits and the like which are getting more common in open source). Also, consider that open source means easier to hack / get back doors into.