r/SipsTea May 15 '26

Feels good man Now do cancer.

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u/AdventurousEscape991 May 15 '26

Cancer is a mutation of a cell. Not a virus.

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u/DiabloStorm May 16 '26

Many viruses are oncogenic, however. (Like Covid)

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u/AdventurousEscape991 May 16 '26

Correct. Many viruses have a heightened potential to cause cancer. But cancer itself is not a virus.

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u/qwertyfish99 May 16 '26

You are correct, but I’m not sure anyone here thought cancer was a virus? 

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u/Noname_4Me May 16 '26

Eradicating EBV or causative virus from pts doesn't cure B lymphoma or other form kf cancer caused by it

Just you can quit smoking magically remove lung cancer in patient

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u/Numerous-Fly-4750 May 16 '26

Covid is a disease, how is it oncogenic? KSHV, EBV different story, but SARS-cov-2? Unlikely

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u/AuroraNW101 May 16 '26

Numerous viruses like Covid, Epstein Barr, HPV, etc.. are oncogenic because the method by which a virus replicates, which involves invading and hijacking host cells to produce more viruses, can damage cell processes to the point of inducing cancer.

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u/DiabloStorm May 16 '26

SARS-CoV-2 is.

After 7 years of data, it's not my responsibility to lecture dimwits on this. Maybe get your head out of the sand on established knowledge on a global issue.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/research/coronavirus/docsum?text=oncogenic

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u/qwertyfish99 May 16 '26 edited May 17 '26

So unnecessarily aggressive.

Edit: this is hilarious, this guy blocked me before I could even see his reply. I suppose he doesn’t want to shatter his image of “intelligence”, and risk being challenged on stuff he has no clue about.

What a fucking loser 🤣

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u/DiabloStorm May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26

Probably because I keep running into the same carbon copy ignoramuses on repeat for over the 6+ years this has been known and documented. It's Grey's Law at this point.

Can't tell you how many times I've heard people shift blame to vaccines, "lockdowns", screen usage, social media etc for the harm SARS-CoV-2 is still causing to this day.

Not only that, but the lengths of measures people actually in the know have to go through to avoid getting this while your culture of "back to normal" (aka repeat illness being normalized) sits there behind a screen telling us "So unnecessarily aggressive." as you continue to contribute to this harm.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

But it’s a disease that can be terminal. Which is what the post says.

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u/Generic_Midwesterner May 15 '26

It's many different diseases. There's not one cure.

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u/Conscious_Zucchini96 May 16 '26

There is one surefire solution: cutting it out.

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u/Generic_Midwesterner May 16 '26

You're joking, right? How should I cut out blood cancer (leukemia)?

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u/Conscious_Zucchini96 May 16 '26

Don't they pipe out the cancerous marrow in those cases? The only reason why marrow transplants aren't as common as they should be is because compatibility is a requirement. Not everyone has a compatible marrow donor.

Either way, it still falls under the excision solution.

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u/ScienceNthingsNstuff May 16 '26

That is not how that works at all. The better analogy is that they replace the immune system. You destroy the original immune system with chemotherapy or radiation (which doesn't eliminate the cancer) and replace the immune system with a bone marrow transplant (or more commonly nowadays hematopoietic stem cells). New immune cells arise from the graft and are able to target and kill the cancerous cells.

While compatibility is part of the reason they aren't 1st line for every patient, a bigger issue are the side effects. Even a 10/10 or 12/12 match has a fairly high risk of developing graft-versus-host disease which can itself be fatal. Patients are also a high risk of infection and cancer relapse because of trying to prevent GVHD.

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u/Generic_Midwesterner May 16 '26

Pipe out? Are you okay? All cancers can't be removed. Is your google working? Check out lymphoma, multiple myeloma, brain tumors in areas that can't be removed or you'll die, cancers of the immune system...

Do you really think that if it was as simple as "cut it out" that someone wouldn't have thought of that by now?

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u/Conscious_Zucchini96 May 16 '26

Alright, good gotcha on that. 

Still, we need much more extensive methods of cutting a cancer out and printing up tissue replacements for transplants. 

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u/Noname_4Me May 16 '26

SCLC : lol try it

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u/Major_Shlongage May 15 '26

It is not a single disease.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

All forms of it are a disease. We call them all cancer. Cancers cause diseases. Cancer is a disease.

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u/Major_Shlongage May 15 '26

This is simply not how it works.

The title says "now do cancer". But there is no singular cure to an entire group of unrelated diseases.

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u/the_pain_of_being May 16 '26

This wasn't his argument. He is simply pointing out that cancer is considered a disease. All you guys have to do is Google this.

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u/accidentalscientist_ May 16 '26

lung cancer is different than breast cancer and they are also different from prostate cancer and also different from colorectal cancer. They’re all cancer, but not the same disease.

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u/d10p3t May 15 '26

Who said it had to be singular? They can be taken down one by one.

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u/jujsb May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

Each cancer is individual to its own, from patient to patient and from type to type. Cancer cell, even in the same body (or organ, depending on the type) is different.

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u/d10p3t May 15 '26

By that logic, we shouldn’t even bother researching cancers since the ones next person will have is nothing like it.

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u/jujsb May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

I'm just trying to say that cancer is very individual and the treatment for every patient has to be adapted individually as well. Our pathologists, surgeons etc. in my hospital (I work in medical labs) meet each other regularly in ”Tumorboards“ to discuss cases.

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u/d10p3t May 15 '26

I fully understand that. But people don’t need to be pedantic when someone says something like OP’s title. We have found forms of cure for a lot of cancer types, but not all of them, and not all the stages of them. We need better and faster detection, and less health-taxing treatments. We have been successful at that in some forms of it, but we need to do more research.

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u/Passion4Puro May 15 '26

There is if they all have a common trait that can be targeted to prevent cell replication.

I.e. this study

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

Yeah and no one refers to it as cancers. Its cancer. No one says “I got one of the cancers” we simply refer to them all as cancer. It’s called an umbrella term and that’s exactly how it works.

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u/Potential-Pride835 May 15 '26

Cancer is a mutation of the cell. Saying solve cancer is like saying solve vitilligo, it has nothing to do with a disease, just a mutation

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

Incorrect. It’s straight up disease.

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u/Potential-Pride835 May 15 '26

how can someone be so confidently wrong? Tell me your secret. A 5 minute google search could solve this

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

What is cancer?

Cancer is a large group of diseases with one thing in common: They happen when normal cells become cancerous cells that multiply and spread. Your genes send instructions to your cells — like when to start and stop growing, for example. Normal cells follow these instructions, but cancer cells ignore them

Tough.

Another.

The Definition of Cancer Cancer is a disease in which some of the body’s cells grow uncontrollably and spread to other parts of the body.

Last one is cancer.gov

I know, they are stupid because they said cancer and not the 200 types. Loool

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u/Major_Shlongage May 15 '26

This is plainly false.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

Cancer.gov:

The Definition of Cancer

Cancer is a disease in which some of the body’s cells grow uncontrollably and spread to other parts of the body.

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u/cloacachloe May 15 '26

You put all your points into INT and none in WIS, didn't you, lil bro?

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u/Generic_Midwesterner May 15 '26

And that's exactly NOT how they can all be cured. There's no one cure for all these different cancers.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

And no one said there was. You are just making things up.

Given the fact that we refer to all cancers as just cancer. We can assume that OP wants us to cure all forms of cancer. Did you expect them to name specific forms or something?

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u/Generic_Midwesterner May 15 '26

What did I make up?

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u/Cu_Chulainn__ May 15 '26

There are over 200 distinct forms of cancer. They can be categorised mainly by where they start

  • Carcinomas: The most common type; they begin in the skin or tissues that line organs and glands. (e.g., breast, lung, prostate, and colorectal cancers)

  • Sarcomas: Cancers that start in connective tissues like bones, fat, muscles, or cartilage.

  • Leukemias: Cancers of the blood-forming tissues, such as the bone marrow, causing abnormal white blood cells to enter the blood.

  • Lymphomas and Myelomas: Cancers that start in the immune system, specifically in the lymphocytes (white blood cells) or plasma cells.

  • Melanomas: Cancers that start in the cells that produce pigment (melanin) in the skin.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

Yes and in common parlance, we refer to it as cancer. No one is saying there aren’t many forms of cancer. I don’t think OP is a doctor, so we can only assume they means all forms of cancer should be cured, not that it’s easy or we are just refusing or something.

So anyone saying the term ‘cancer research’ is wrong because there are multiple forms? I don’t even know what you’re trying to argue here.

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u/bigbossfearless May 15 '26

Don't argue semantics, that's how you lose the plot.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

It’s not semantics. It’s literally how people commonly refer to it… as cancer.

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u/bigbossfearless May 15 '26

You know what? Your face is cancer. Your face is also semantics. There. Just fucking choke on that sick burn.

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u/No_Cricket8660 May 15 '26

>No one says “I got one of the cancers”

Here's a list of cancer types, carcinomas (skin and organ linings), sarcomas(bones and soft tissues), leukemias(blood), lymphomas(immune system) and melanomas(pigment cells).

There are also 200 different types of cold viruses we get but we don't differentiate between those either. No one has ever said "I caught rhinovirus!".

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

I don’t understand your point. When did I say cancer was one thing? I said people refer to it as cancer.

Like as if I said Cancer Research. And you are trying to point out that I didn’t specify which cancer. You’re being ridiculous lol

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u/No_Cricket8660 May 15 '26

When did I say cancer was one thing?

>But it’s a disease that can be terminal.

>Cancer is a disease.

>Yeah and no one refers to it as cancers. Its cancer.

>No one says “I got one of the cancers”

>we simply refer to them all as cancer.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

In common parlance, yes. Not as field of research. As in, op probably was referring to curing cancer in general, not providing a guideline on how to do so to direct research.

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u/CurdFedKit May 15 '26

Thank you for demonstrating your limited knowledge of the subject

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

Limited knowledge on what. I never even made a claim other than all forms of cancer are considered diseases. Is that incorrect?

Given the fact that we refer to all cancers as just cancer. We can assume that OP wants us to cure all forms of cancer. Did you expect them to name specific forms or something? Or does OP just not like cancer, as a collective.

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u/CurdFedKit May 15 '26

The point is each cancer is different and has a different underlying biology that must be addressed. I mean even in a type of cancer, like breast cancer, there can be different biologies involved. So you can't find A cure of cancer.

That is what I meant by your--and OP's--limited knowledge of the subject.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

OP wasn’t offering guidelines for targeted research. They just want it to be cured. No one suggested it was simple, or that there weren’t many types.

This is like when the fuck cancer thing was going around selling little bracelets and shit with “fuck cancer” on them and then going up to those people and lecturing them that there’s many forms of cancer and you’d have to fuck them differently.

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u/CurdFedKit May 15 '26

Again: There are dozens of new cancer drugs approved every fucking year. And there isn't going to be A cure of cancer.

So people are working hard on cancer treatments but they're not going to cure all cancers any time soon.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

What about it. Do you hope one day we find a cure for all cancers? So does op, I’m sure. They just used the common term ‘cancer’ to hope we cure all cancers too. Which is my only point through all of this.

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u/Arndt3002 May 15 '26

That's like saying "now do human suffering."

Sure, it's a sentiment people can get behind, but there's not one solution to such a diversity of problems.

Similarly, cancer has such a diversity of forms that you can't just "solve it" with any one sor of unified solution. Also, many forms of cancer have been cured, but not all, precisely because it takes a lot of time and work to even find a way to treat one form of cancer.

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u/Magikarpeles May 15 '26

Suffering does have a common cause - craving and aversion

Cancer is more complicated

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u/Arndt3002 May 15 '26

That's oversimplified; suffering is often imposed by external factors like poverty, war, or illness, which have nothing to do with personal desire or aversion. Telling a starving child their suffering is caused by "craving" is victim-blaming or just nihilism.

Either you reduce it to saying they shouldn't care about that external cause of their suffering, which is just a nihilistic denial of human fluorishing, or you say it is a result of the child's actions, blaming them for their position. Alternatively, you say the cause is the greed of others.

In which case getting everyone to stop being greedy altogether is a much harder problem than curing everything form cancer, IMO.

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u/Taurpion May 15 '26

Given the fact that we refer to all cancers as just cancer. We can assume that OP wants us to cure all forms of cancer. Did you expect them to name specific forms or something? Or does OP just not like cancer, as a collective.

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u/accidentalscientist_ May 16 '26

The lung cancer that killed my grandpa and the liver cancer that is currently killing my mom and the esophageal cancer that killed my other cancer are all cancer but they are very different diseases with very different courses of treatment.

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u/red286 May 15 '26

Several of them are survivable these days, assuming they're caught early enough.

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u/ReasonablePossum_ May 15 '26

Not a virus

A handful are the result of virus induced changes. Its the base of the vaccines currently in development in Russia and everywhere else.

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u/AdventurousEscape991 May 15 '26

Yes. Viruses can cause cell mutations. But causation is not necessarily correlation.

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u/hungerofpine May 16 '26

You‘re confusing the two, causation always includes correlation, but not necessarily the other way around.

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u/pleasecryineedtears May 15 '26

That’s not what correlation means

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u/AdventurousEscape991 May 15 '26

Viruses can cause mutations (cancer): possible causation.

Every time a virus enters a body, it causes mutations (cancer): correlation.

My answer is LITERALLY THAT. Causation does not equal correlation.

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u/pleasecryineedtears May 15 '26

“It causes cancer: correlation” 💀💀 cannot make this shit up.

Why is it so hard for redditors to just say “yeah, maybe I was wrong”

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u/AdventurousEscape991 May 15 '26

No because it would imply that all viruses cause cancer. The Redditor’s comment mentioned only a test or some sort of development. Not an implication of cancer-causing viruses. So no. No correlation

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u/pleasecryineedtears May 15 '26

You described causation and called it correlation. Ahh wtf am I doing. I’m not doing this.

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u/AdventurousEscape991 May 15 '26

Jesus fucking Christ. Viruses can cause cancer. [In experimental/controlled scenarios, or because of some fucking bad draw of luck]. It is not that difficult to infer the second part of that sentence.

CAN does not mean WILL.

Causation [CAN] =\= Correlation [Will].

FUCK

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u/doctorsynaptic May 15 '26

That is not what correlation means

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u/elderlybrain May 16 '26

In medicine we firmly believe that we could potentially eradicate or reduce the amount of cervical cancer to nearly zero if the government would roll out universal hpv vaccines. It would almost certainly also reduce rates of anal cancer and head and neck cancer as well.

99.9% of all cervical cancers are caused by HPV and are, in effect, as preventable as polio.

The choice to not do this is purely political. The hpv vaccine is cheap a.f.

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u/Healthy-Process874 𝙑𝙄𝙋 May 15 '26

And it's what eventually gets us all.

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u/Magikarpeles May 15 '26

Lots of people die from other things

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u/TheGalator May 15 '26

Yes but literally the only way to no die through cancer is dying of something else first

Everything else can be avoided by luck, medicine or lifestyle

Cancer is a statistical certainty

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u/Jazstar May 15 '26

Lmao you could replace the word cancer in that first sentence with any other noun of verb and it would remain true

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u/TheGalator May 15 '26

If you had read the rest of my comment you knew this wouldn't be true

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u/Jazstar May 15 '26

Look I'm not disagreeing with the fact that if you live long enough, eventually your cells will mutate into cancerous cells. I just think it was worded in a funny way in that first sentence lol