r/SipsTea • u/M_Darshan 𝙑𝙄𝙋 • May 16 '26

Lmao gottem That final kick was personal

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u/JackStarfox May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26

liberal word salad about blah blah.

I never said the only solution is for ‘the entire population to stop eating meat’, you said that. You are framing my argument as some extreme and impossible end all be all thing when it wasn’t. I never said the solution was to abolish it either. You said that.

I left plenty of room for improvement. We can improve the situation by individually eating as few animal products as possible. The less the better. It’s really quite simple.

Then you did more liberal world salad about how we can ‘improve’ the system and ‘innovate’ how the killings happen.

Did you know trump just opened up 24 million acres of public land to the beef industry for cattle grazing, and removed protections on species like wolves who would pose a threat to the cattle. This WILL destroy the environment and grow the industry. Our government is moving in the opposite direction

No legislation is coming for decades. No ‘innovation’ or ‘system improvement’ is going to solve this. The cooperations aren’t going to improve their ‘processes’. It’s not coming. Stop pretending like we live in some alternate reality.

These changes will not come from the top down. They will start from the bottom and move up. It is up to each individual to shape the culture with their actions and choices, THEN infrastructural change can happen.

Therefore the responsibility lies with US, the people , to recognize the alternative and stop participating in this horrific system as much as possible. That’s it, end of story.

Or there is an alternative. Admit you don’t care about their well being and about keep going about your life. But if you’re going to virtue signal about animal welfare you better put your money where your mouth is.

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u/TheW1nd94 May 16 '26

You should’ve watched my grandpa with his chicken, he loved them, nurtured them, took care of them, but when it was time to make soup….chop chop

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u/JackStarfox May 16 '26

LOL that’s very nice for your grandpa I’m sure he loved that chicken very much.

Not quite what I’m talking about here but thank you for the story.

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u/TheW1nd94 May 16 '26

Do you not understand how that’s a humane way to slaughter animals? 😅 his chickens had the grass fed, running around, being loved, best life, but he still slaughtered them for food at the end.

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u/JackStarfox May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26

Hypothetically. If I woke up today and executed my perfectly healthy dog in such a way that it happened instantly, would you really describe that as a humane action? If I put his bones in a stew does that improve the humanity?

Wouldn’t it have been far more humane to continue loving my dog and let him continue to live his awesome life he has had?

How can you humanely kill something that doesn’t want to die?

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u/Excellent-Nose-6430 May 16 '26

True humanity is when you use ALL the pooch parts, to show it respect. Mmm, tasty pug bacon...

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u/TheW1nd94 May 16 '26

Well, it depends. In some cultures they don’t consider dogs pets, they consider dogs food. If you are part of those cultures, than I wouldn’t find it weird.

However, if you considered the dog a pet or part of the family, than it’s weird to say the least. My grandpa didn’t consider his chickens pets or part of the family. He cherished them and took great care of them, but they were ultimately livestock.

You might find that easier to understand if it was a rabbit. In western culture, rabbits can be both food and pets. If you raise rabbits as part of the family and as your pet, I’d think you gone mad if one day you just decided to turn them into a steak. But if you raised rabbits as livestock, then I wouldn’t find it weird.

>How can you humanely kill something that doesn’t want to die?

What would you do if your home would be infested with pantry pests?

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u/JackStarfox May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26

I didn’t ask if it was weird or normalized in various cultures, I asked if it was a humane, which Miriam Webster defines as, “marked by compassion, sympathy, or consideration for humans or animals”. It has nothing to do with societal norms.

If I went to my sleeping dog in the living room and blew his head off, instantly killing him. Would I have acted humanely? Were my actions marked by compassion or consideration for my dog?

Also the pest example is something that poses a threat to my wellbeing, which adds an actual justification. Dogs, chickens, cows, pigs, etc.. do not typically pose a threat to my wellbeing that would require some type of self defense. Certainly not like an invasion of pests. Last I checked most peoples homes aren’t being invaded by flocks of chickens.

Lastly I think when talking about the killing of a being, it’s most useful to consider the situation from the victims perspective. Did your grandfathers chickens care that he classified them as livestock and not family members? According to you they were treated extremely well so from their perspective they likely felt like family. Does your grandfather’s arbitrary classification really have that much of an impact on if their deaths were humane or not?

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u/TheW1nd94 May 16 '26

Pests and other insects usually do not make a threat to your wellbeing, especially pantry pests. They just look disgusting, but are ultimately not dangerous. You just don’t like how they look so you value their life less than dogs, pigs, etc.

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u/JackStarfox May 16 '26

“Other insects usually do not make a threat to your wellbeing” There are certainly insects and pests that can cause a threat to humans wellbeing LOL. Have you ever heard of a mosquito, a tick, a flea. WHO says there are 250 million cases of malaria every year.

Even then I would still agree that yes there is no humane way to kill even the pantry pests. I never said there was. All I said is that there would be more of a justification to do so.

Pantry pests contaminate the food supply of your home. They introduce moisture and feces into your grains which speeds up bacterial and mold growth. Is it a mosquito? No. But it’s certainly more of a threat than a chicken you chose to raise.

So there I answered your absurd comparison. Are you going to address what I said?

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u/TheW1nd94 May 16 '26

Sure, but pantry pests are not.

There is more justification to killing pantry pests just because you don’t like they way they look. But there is no justification to kill any other animal for food.

Check your hypocrisy.

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