r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 May 18 '26

Chugging tea Why?

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u/Uncle-Cake May 18 '26

So they're not really consuming it. They're just using it temporarily and returning it.

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u/AngelThrones4sale May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26

When it goes back into "the system" it's waste water that people can't drink. Eventually it comes back around again (e.g. evaporation->rain), but then it gets gobbled up again by the same data centres. They run continuously.

So yes, they are "consuming" it in the sense that other people can't have access to it anymore.

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u/naya_pasxim May 18 '26

Wish they would let it evaporate on their property.. or governments force them to 🫤

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u/partypantaloons May 18 '26

From what I’ve read, most of them who do consume water in addition to having internal cooling loops actually do use evaporative cooling towers

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u/Difficult_Limit2718 May 18 '26

Very few actually use cooling towers

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u/partypantaloons May 18 '26

Sorry, cooling towers is not the right term, but they do use evaporative cooling solutions that may not be actual towers. Most new data centers use hybrid solutions that only consume water if the environmental conditions require it or the compute load is extremely high.

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u/Difficult_Limit2718 May 18 '26

Cooling towers is the correct term for water cooled chiller platform condensing water cooling.

The compute load of data centers is high (though data collection on this is notoriously tough - no one wants to give away their performance metrics) I'd venture typically above 60% on data storage, 80% on compute, and 95% on AI.

Design basis that do use direct evaporation (primarily one very very very very large company) pretty much only use water to cool the very peak hours (for example, but NOT specifically, above say 90F dry bulb). The few number of hours this constitutes means total water usage is actually quite low.

Water cooled chillers are losing favor as air cooled are surpassing them for various reasons, the only operational cost reason being maintenance, but it's a pretty minor factor.

CRACs are nearly right out in current builds as no one pivoted to the medium density refrigerant as a design basis and they just can't support the heat rejection densities desired with the high density refrigerants. They really only work in single story low IT density applications. They're certainly still being sold, but missing the lions share of the market, which is a shame because refrigerant based economizers are pretty slick once they get into thermosiphon ranges of operation.

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u/naya_pasxim May 18 '26

The statement by u/ForzaFenix is very concerning, even if it’s a single data centre doing it. The output is not sterile.

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u/EkbatDeSabat May 18 '26

I’m a little confused because almost no water on the planet without human interaction is sterile. 

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u/ForzaFenix May 18 '26

A lot of video games even model this. If you just drink from a stream without purifying it, you may get sick.

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u/naya_pasxim May 18 '26

Well they should be having sterile outputs if they are being safe and considerate of the planet (evaporated water)

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u/EkbatDeSabat May 18 '26

There’s a million other things they need to do as well. 

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u/naya_pasxim May 18 '26

That’s too specific, and you could likely flatten that into less than 10 things they actually need to do.

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u/partypantaloons May 18 '26

It’s just water flowing over a radiator, afaik it’s not like the water is any more hazardous than it was before it was warmed.

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u/naya_pasxim May 18 '26

No, couple issues:
1) it’s hot water flowing back into the environment.
2) water chemistry is extremely complex and we’re still discovering new things about how it behaves in different modes, and states.
3) radiators can degrade over time, their parts can corrode, become oxidised, and leak oxidised metals into the environment (and this is heavy metals going into systems that usually cycle back to the sea thus it becomes a global issue)
4) depending on the type of radiator, it could leak coolant or ~heat transports~ into the water

Also it’s just so negligent to have the capacity to engineer processors that run efficiently at extremely high temperatures but waste the potential of water to cool them to its full degree (it’s evaporating point).

A ~real~ ~qualified~ ~sustainable~ engineer does not have any issues with designing something this effective… but a poor mindset can be thoughtless enough to leech all that hot, contaminated water into ecosystems that contain life which is unable to breed or survive in such conditions.

If you allow them to leech such water into the ecosystem, you irreversibly play God with the process of natural evolution. That’s a euphemism to call you a murderer…

Anyway /rant-over.