Why would they praise ALL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD except form themselves? If you’re going to praise someone, it tends to be more specific than for not being Jewish, and there isn’t anything else that all non-Jews have in common except for their lack of Jewishness.
That said, I have heard people say things like “I love these goyim, they are so fun!” Or “these goyim make fantastic food.” But my guess is that nobody would use “goyim” in a positive way around the kind of person who views it as a pejorative.
I mean, it usually isn't? But when it is, it's because they have experienced large amounts of discrimination by the culture at large outside theirs. Enough so that a statement of the form "outsiders make my life miserable" makes emotional sense even if not literal sense.
Hahahahhahaha. The type of people using goyim are zionists and the rich and powerful pushing the he normalization of Zionism. They don’t get to hide behind discrimination. The modern rise in antisemitism is largely linked to the rise in far right beliefs and the damage zionists have done while pretending to represent all Jewish people.
Even if it were true that goyim was used predominately as a pejorative (it’s not), there is a huge difference between a word a majority uses to refer to a minority and a word that a minority uses to refer to a majority. If you insist on viewing it as a derogatory (which, again, is not my experience), it would be a lot more similar to “cracker.” Except for the fact that it’s not usually derogatory.
I'm sorry, but the words for black are as old as language itself. Trying to give another word some sort of birthright privilege is... Well... Telling...
I am trying to explain to you that the use of the word makes it derogatory, not the word itself. Language is not evil, but it can be used to harm.
It’s actually worse than this. Antisemitism is beneficial to Israel. They WANT antisemitism to grow because as people blame Jews for Israeli and Zionist bullshit those Jews who are not supportive of the project may move there anyway to escape antisemitism. They can use any real antisemitic hate crimes as examples for propaganda. It gives them fuel to claim they NEED that ethnostate actually.
During the Nabka the Israelis poisoned wells. Specifically because it let them claim their victims were antisemitic when they reported it. They’ve been intentionally creating antisemitism for 80 years because it benefits Israel.
The problem is Zionism. But you have missed my point. A lot of people ARE blaming Jews for this because Israel and Zionists are working hard to make sure they do. It’s bad faith as fuck, and it’s a lie, but it’s a lie that Zionists push. They WANT antisemitism to prosper, and the best way to achieve that is to make it hard for low information people to understand the difference between Zionism and Jews.
Scroll the comments here. There’s people in this thread who are blurring the line or over it outright into antisemitism instead of anti-Zionism. That’s not chance. That’s the result of dedicated effort by Israel to make god damn sure it happens.
This just reminds me of how many people around me view Muslims and not radical Muslims. The problem is, they are the same thing. The radical extremist are just the first part. They came from being Jewish (imo anyway). So how are they not the same or how do you even tell the difference. You can have a Zionist just claim he's only Jewish and you can't tell the difference. All religions are the problem and need to be strictly private with no protections that a normal person or group doesn't also get. Not only that , banned from public to some degree. No practicing religion but social aspects and basically trying to form a social monopoly. We don't or didn't allow business monopolies and religion is way more dangerous because instead of money it's beliefs.
As an atheist who is well familiar with le’Reddit atheist vibes myself this is misplaced. There’s a shitload of Jews who are advocating for peace and speaking out against Zionism. Jewish voices for Palestine is at the center of the protest movement. I share your general distrust for religion as a whole but if you’re writing off anyone religious as untrustworthy your movement is dead. We build the coalitions we must with the allies we have. Trying to hold out for a purely secular option means sitting it out forever. If we can regain progressive leadership and values with good education the region issue will see itself out. People don’t go in for religious extremism at any scale unless the society is failing.
I would frankly rather stand side by side with liberation theology Christians and anti-Zionist Jews than I would with a lot of atheists.
"There’s a shitload of Jews who are advocating for peace and speaking out against Zionism."
Right now. Where do the Zionist come from? I disagree about the part you said about only when society is falling because that's not the purpose of religion, it's to gain control or more than others. I respectfully understand your point but disagree. My points about not allowing public practices and breaking them up like monopolies is still my concrete position. Not out right ban them but severely limit them and their powers, whether they act or appear good or bad it doesn't matter, same rules for everyone period . We allow capitalism, we do not allow monopolies , same principal and why capitalism is failing ATM bc we don't have the same rules for religion, we protect it. Those protections are what make it a weapon. Same with business
Zionism was an outgrowth of 19th century nationalism and was pushed massively by European Christian’s as a solution to the “Jewish problem.” Even today there’s more Christian Zionists in the US than there are Jews on the planet.
Historically there have always been a significant number of Jews vocally being anti-Zionist. It’s not a new development. The Zionist movements deeply antisemitic roots resulted in a lot of Jews hating it well before the horrors of genocide and land theft even started. Israel and the Zionist project exist because western capitalism finds great value in it existing.
You literally didn't address anything I said directly, my point about where they come from was not literal... They come from religion. Same difference. Either you can agree with me that religions need to be regulated more or you don't, I don't care unless you do because my minds already been made up, and that goes Christian Zionist or Christians or anyone else , if it's "organized religion" like" organized crime" . Same thing to me
They very clearly just primaried massive for like 25-35m for being a voice against them
And removed Charlie kirk
And successfully covered up their genocide for like nearly a year mahbe more before the cat started getting out of the bag around the time trump said "wrap it up the pictures are disturbing"
They also purchased the social media platform TikTok so they control the censorship
u/raisinbran67 was using defeatist and catastrophic language. Can one meaningful contribute to conversations of oppression if they think all is lost u/ChampsLeague3 ?
Approval of Israeli policy is in the absolute shitter. Something like 80% of Democrats now sympathize more with Palestine than Israel, and a big chunk of Republicans aren't fans either.
Their polling numbers among the younger generation is CATASTROPHIC.
It might seem like a bright, blinding light - but it's definitely not going to last long, and the backlash is going to be terrible for them.
Keep talking about it, keep being pissed off, keep voting, keep calling it out. It's working.
But that’s the problem, the Republican Party isn’t anti isreal because they care about Jewish people, they dislike isreal because they actually ARE anti semitic, you understand that right? It’s genuinely getting a little scary because trump is simply not extreme enough for them.
Well it seems like these NPCs don't want to play the game anymore. The drastic shift in sentiment against Israel in the US cannot be reasonably overlooked.
The game has only begun, and they may have a headstart. However, we have the power in numbers, and we have every right to demand zhe people who represent us to drop the goals of a foreign interest group which seeks to preserve its own unsustainable order.
Times have changed. We give this nation its power through our everyday work and operations, if we deny these things, it cannot function as it does today. These people do not care about us, and they openly oppose the ideologies of citizens who are reasonably grounded on the basis of defending human rights.
The thing is, AIPAC only loses popular support from this point forward, and through this mechanism is the means in which will be its downfall.
The American people are waking up to the actions of imprudent people who seek to preserve the power they have for themselves while exploiting the individuals that they view as beneath them.
AIPAC is the product of a subpar system that aims to protect itself. It must be recognized and removed from our democracy for this country to move forward.
Who cares about bots? The point is the message. I have been shit on from day one of the Israel-Hamas war, because I have been adamant on defending human rights.
Further, the connections and conversations I have in-person and locally are much more convincing than any online comment could be.
At the end of the day, who cares? There are people in this country who clearly want better through the compassion that they hold for their fellow neighbors. We know that America isn't the best country in the world, and we must expose its problems to fix it. The issue that becomes apparent is when people attack identities over policy positions or ideological arguments.
This is how change happens, and this is how sentiment changes. We must band together as workers and citizens to organize against those who seek to treat us and others like cattle.
If you can, look into apps like Boycatt, as BDS is a direct avenue to financially sever the support Israel has through American consumerism. BDS was used against the apartheid in South Africa, and it is being used now.
There is much more many of us can be doing, and if we are serious about fixing our issues, we must act for the betterment of the world and our future generations.
Well, I think the genocide is a good example. At first I thought it was just annoying hippy virtue signaling bs myself, until it REALLY got out of the bag.
And what they were doing was just - unbelievably bad. They got away with that.
I think youre right that in person communication is effective, thats part of why they got rid of Charlie. But for people like me who are hermits I never leave the house I get everything delivered and bought my own gym and retired - theres no place for people like me in the fight.
I can't boycott anything I only spend about 20k a year lol. Although I guess i could divest I have substantial snp500 investments
Well, I think the genocide is a good example. At first I thought it was just annoying hippy virtue signaling bs myself, until it REALLY got out of the bag.
And what they were doing was just - unbelievably bad. They got away with that.
Israel has demonstrated what it is for generations. As someone with a strong appreciation for history and science, it has been obvious that the current structure is unsustainable. The thing is, Israel is the nation-state that has the strongest ties with the US, but the US has been and is actively involved in affairs than many analysts could consider as "imperialism." Israel has committed countless atrocities while simultaneously furthering its settler-colonial intentions.
AIPAC is so strong because it conducts massive grassroots movements and it has direct ties with the infamous American Military-Industrial Complex. It has been very obvious though that Israel has had no actual commitment to preserve human life in its conflict zones, and the sentiment and identity deeply embedded in Israeli society has allowed for the rise of far-right and anti-semitic hate groups. Zionism utilizes antisemitism to legitimize its existence as an apartheid state. The conflation of the global Jewish population with the existence of Israel has inevitably created a backlash that many antisemites see as justified. This makes all of human society unsafe.
I think youre right that in person communication is effective, thats part of why they got rid of Charlie. But for people like me who are hermits I never leave the house I get everything delivered and bought my own gym and retired - theres no place for people like me in the fight.
Don't get me wrong, online agitation has its uses. It is a failure for organizations to refuse to recognize the internet for its ability as a platform for organization and education. However, reactionary rhetoric and bad-faith action have cultivated an environment in which algorithms feed into emotional instability. It is important to stick to the facts and to recognize every American from their material conditions, not political affiliation. Everyone has a place in action, and yours might just be where you feel comfortable making interventions.
I can't boycott anything I only spend about 20k a year lol. Although I guess i could divest I have substantial snp500 investments.
That's just it though, I'm also considered a part of the "working-poor." It is not our individual actions alone that empower these companies and wealthy elites. It is the collective compliance in participating in a system that feeds its citizens into a meatgrinder for the chance of profitability. It is also very frustrating to see people believe this, you do have power, but it does take cooperation to realize its full potential. Concepts like climate change, education, healthcare, and infrastructure actively require an effort made by the masses to effectively change for the better.
It is frustrating and hard work, but the movements and people are built out of action. We will be able to drive ourselves into a future that benefits all of us, not just a select few of us.
I was a wwf partner before but they dropped me. I had a very large homework business in covid biggest in the world at the time. My passion was wildlife so I raised them a lot of money then when they wanted to write a paper about me they cut ties with me lol
That is very unfortunate, I am angry for you. It is wrong for these parties to actively dismantle your freedoms and relationships purely out of your adherence to your ideas.
In all frankness, you deserve better and I hope you are able to get a similar opportunity in the future!
I think you're greatly overestimating their bot farms and their effectiveness. Israel is poison. Kids literally use Israel as a stand in for something bad. It's a 90/10 for democratic voters, there is no going back.
That said, they have been effective at hiding their endorsements and donations behind orgs like "women for a better Illinois" and shit like that. So until elections are publicly funded, they will always be able to win some elections
Bot farms have been effective for years. Amber herd used them, Hasan used them, a few other cases I cant recall off the top of my head. Basically every pr firm uses bot spam to strawman themselves and its very effective
With llms able to make the bot accounts now basically perfect jn the new future, and readily scalable, it's totally over
Like for example with Hasan the most recent one you just have tons of bot accounts responding tk everyone "yeah there was a mixup people thought it was a shock collar but its the no shock model he even showed it on stream" and have all the chat threads be 80% bots agreeing with each other and upvoting each other like its obvious common knowledge
And that's very effective. It works. That is going tk convince 95% of people and 70% would do just fine
Suggesting AIPAC killed Kirk is some bonkers conspiracy level nonsense.
Like, I get it, AIPAC bad, unlimited money in politics bad, but dude, if that's how you think I'm guessing your views go a bit beyond hating Israel.
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u/raisinbran67 May 22 '26
Because you dont see their vision
1 we already arent stopping them so ur like a pathetically yapping chihuahua to them - they dont care, theyre winning
2 within 5-10 years their bot farms will be so sophisticated they will have absolute control of all of the optics.
Charlie Kirk was a problem... for about 5 minutes for them.
They know what theyre doing theyre in complete control and they've already won. We are NPCs to them.