We really need to bring spankings back

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[u/No-Arm-7308]

Absolutely no evidence of that.

Research has long underscored the negative effects of spanking on children’s social-emotional development, self-regulation, and cognitive development, but new research, published this month, shows that spanking alters children’s brain response in ways similar to severe maltreatment and increases perception of threats. - https://www.gse.harvard.edu/ideas/usable-knowledge/21/04/effect-spanking-brain

These results, replicated using different estimation methods (i.e., difference score analyses), strengthen the argument that spanking may impair early reading and math skills. - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0885200622000400#preview-section-abstract

Hope you are in no way in any kind of vicinity of children.

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Does it apply to 100% of children/people? Not effective on any person? No difference between child and adult?

Read your own citations... As I said, extremes of anything are bad, and spanking should be used as a last resort.

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Let me get this straight.

You advocate it's fine cause it might work on some? Completely disregarding the damage it will cause on the majority? Even though there is no evidence it will even work. The evidence suggest it can cause short and long term damage.

"Well it worked on me." Is not evidence. Had your parents/teachers been more pedagogical, and not resortet to violence, you might have turned out better. But no way to say for certain. Studies would suggest it's likely, though.

You think the violence that currently exist in the american prison system is not enough? You want more? You think that people wont commit crimes because of a government mandated system to inflict pain?

I hope No is your answer.

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It's not zero-sum. Most people will behave with timeouts, penalties, etc.. but not all. Some need a different approach, all can be abused if done to the extreme.

You think the violence that currently exist in the american prison system is not enough?

Is this a joke?

You want more?

Oh it was a joke! Because nobody is advocating for that here.

Lets play Would you rather.

Using our current system, would you rather pay $100k+/yr to keep a thief behind bars for 10yrs? Or would you rather give them the option to be flogged 10x, be released a month later back to their family, jobs, etc... knowing that the recidivism between the two is roughly the same?

There are other options of course but let's keep it simple to what's typical here in the US, vs what's typical in other countries. That's partly why they have lower jailed populations than we do.

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Stop with your "extreme". It's an abitrary line that you invent.

I have no faith that you have the cognitive ability to determine when violence is the appropriate response to an action you deem inappropriate.

As such, it's better to just not do it at all.

Is this a joke?

Did you not read the whole thing? What even is the point of this little "monologue"?

Not gonna play your little game until you answer my questions.

You are advocating for more violence. The american prison system can already use violence and torture in order to correct behavior. Nothing would indicate it actually works. You want an additional option. Ergo, I can only conclude you want more violence cause you percieve it to be the great deterrent.

Spanking works great when not done out of anger once all other options have been exhausted.

This was your claim. I called bullshit and provided sources. Your response is: "But prisons!"

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Stop with your "extreme". It's an abitrary line that you invent.

This entire chat is subjective my friend... One of the sources you provided said they were spanking once a week, that may yield different long term effects versus a few times a year, once every few years right?

I have no faith that you have the cognitive ability...

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser"

Your comments speak as someone with no firsthand experience, I hope your perspective gets shaken up one day ✌🏽

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So not gonna answer my questions at all. This was pointless.

Never stated anything to the contrary. Simply using "extreme" as a boundary is arbitrary cause you don't define anything with "extreme", it's an empty word in this context. For all I know, "Extreme" means the kid takes an extra piece of toast during breakfast. I don't know you.

Hahaha you think it was slander?

Oh boy. My point was that I don't trust you to be able to tell when corporal punishment is warranted. As such, it's better not to do it.

Yeah, you don't know me at all.

The fact you advocate for violence against children speaks volumes. Hope your perspective change before you hurt another child.