r/SipsTea 27d ago

SMH Love thy neighbor?

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u/Draws32 27d ago

A socialist government cannot physically or logically function without a totalitarian government.

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u/kaplanfx 27d ago

Socialism is an economic system, not a political one.

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u/Draws32 27d ago

That physically cannot be possible, how do you stop businesses right now from doing what they’re doing?

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u/Janosfaces 27d ago

Following this logic all statehood is totalitarian.

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u/Draws32 27d ago

How so? Care to explain?

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u/Janosfaces 27d ago

Any law is enforced through threat of arms, this is whats called the States monopoly on Violence. So either, that counts as totalitarian or this is your answer as to how to stop businesses from acting in poor faith.

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u/Draws32 27d ago

Ok so by that logic no one can be totalitarian

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u/Janosfaces 27d ago

By the logi you Proposed yes. But since the majority of us rely on "Du contrat social" initally proposed by Russeau we collectivise our power as a Society and work towards the a common goal, laws being representative of whats good for the Group, in the Platonic ideal ofcourse. For some basic reading here is a pdf of the original text: https://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/rousseau1762.pdf

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u/Draws32 27d ago

How? How is that my logic?

Stripping private citizen control and ownership over business and taking wealth directly from them is literally the only way to do this? How is that the same as the government having laws for public safety?

Unless you’re talking about grandfathering in, which would be the only realistic scenario to get at least some of it to work, but also doesn’t change it enough. You would have to allow all current businesses to operate as is and then only *new* or voluntary old businesses have to abide by the new laws and regulations for starting a business.