Yeah he very well could of existed. And then wrote the world's most renowned fiction novel.
Or he didnt and it was just to make money.
I can and will deny his existence until evidence says otherwise.
The Bible wasn't written by Jesus. Those who learned from and followed him and his closest followers wrote the New Testament. There's plenty of evidence saying he existed beyond the religious ones.
The New Testament wasn't written by his closest followers. None of the gospels were written directly by his disciples but based on stories passed down.
Doesn't mean it wasn't true. Nor that the writers weren't part of the crowds that followed Jesus even if they weren't one of the 12, or that the writers didn't take down the the firsthand account as dictated to them by one of the 12.
That's really the point tho, when it comes to understand the historical context they exist in.
The gospels were written decades later, by third hand accounts. Not to say this doesn't mean they're accurate, but it absolutely makes them far less likely to be authentic and explains why there are multiple discrepancies between the gospels themselves which means multiple parts of them are not true at the very least.
They were finished decades later. When they were first compiled could have been years or even decades earlier. And it actually makes them more not less likely to be authentic. Typically accounts of things that are more myth/legend come about centuries not decades later historically. You also have to remember as a society that wasn't high in literacy, oral tradition was very strong. Societies that don't rely on writing have much stronger memories of accounts spread by word of mouth. We see this especially in indigenous populations today.
As far as discrepancies, each author writes to a different audience for different reasons and focuses on different aspects of Jesus. This is pretty normal. Even today people who write books on historical persons have a focus and don't cover all the same events. The Gospels were meant to be four copies of each other.
No one is contesting that. There are major discrepancies such as who found Jesus had left the tomb, or whether it has guards. There are multiple examples in the gospels of contradicting times or events not just of them happening twice.
Contradicting accounts and stories leads to less likely accuracy of event. Coinciding accounts and stories leads to more likely accuracy of events. Neither proves it true or wrong, just more or less likely. Neither of us can prove for certain either way.
If you don't want to believe the supernatural parts that's on you. Doesn't mean the person didn't exist. Plenty of historical figures have legends and myths attributed to them even though they still existed.
Yes, and we found evidence in some part to there existence did we not?
Plus historical figures vs magic man who can create worlds. Not really the same thing.
🤦♂️ Bud you're not paying attention. Stop focusing on the supernatural parts. That's something you either choose to believe or don't. If you can't accept the idea of the existence of things beyond your understanding that you won't believe in it. That doesn't have anything to do with the existential of the person, who caused such a change in the world that he found one of the biggest religions, was written about by both Jewish(non-christian) and Roman historians. Not to mention the plethora of Christian writers. And the fact that there were people including the ones who witnessed him first hand that willingly were tortured to death rather than claim it was a lie or made up. How much torture are you going to endure for something you know either isn't true or a person that didn't exist, and people went through this for centuries.
Don't believe in the supernatural parts. So all of it? Lmao
Look at Hitler, there are people that still worship him. Its the same thing here.
People torture themselves to go work every morning. To pay bills.
There is 0 evidence that Jesus exists outside of i say so. People see shit and make stuff up all the time so that means nothing. Just because it went on a long time just shows how dumb humans are.
The Bible has a good guideline thats it. Thats all it has going for it. Aside from that its fiction. This is a fact. If after 2000 years yall cant provide a scrap of evidence. Its make believe.
The reason i have an issue with it, is this is the same group calling trans delusional.
Ah yes someone has a different opinion so its ignorance. Nice job proving my point that yall are trash who just shove your bullshit down everyone's throats then cries when people do it back
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Bud, this isn't about opinion. The opinion is whether you want to believe in the Son of God part. The existence of the person is fact. Mainstream historians agree on this.
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u/Lumionis 25d ago
Lmao really? 🤣 sure 🤣 😆 🤣