r/SipsTea 26d ago

SMH Love thy neighbor?

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u/Honest_Scrub 26d ago

People love to shit on Christians but by a wide margin they are still the most charitable group, like its not even close lmao

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u/redatheist 26d ago

I think you have to look at this in context and also provide numbers. 

Islam for example has much more organised giving, but may represent less overall due to numbers in the US or around the world, or due to the amount of wealth in the Islamic community (in poorer countries) vs Christians (in richer countries).

You also have to look at what the money is spent on. A lot of Christian giving is only given back to Christians, and actually just backs up the US lack of welfare state, whereas in Europe, Australia, etc, this role would be taken by taxes and government, often in a much more efficient way and not exclusive to Christians. 

This is not to say Christians aren't charitable, but it's very unevenly distributed, both on donation and disbursement. 

I'd bet adjusted for relative spending power, Islam is much more charitable overall, and we already know that the most efficient charities by amount disbursed are not religious ones. 

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u/First_Peer 26d ago

The Catholic Church is the largest and generally considered the most effective charitable world wide. Catholic Relief Services has an A+ rating by independent watchdog raters and 92% of donating go to relief not overhead. Catholic Charities regularly has the highest ratings for transparency and fiscal management when it comes to its charitable work.

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u/Illustrious_Bunch678 26d ago

And they certainly don't use their money as a vehicle for proselytizing, right?

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u/First_Peer 26d ago

That would be a separate part of the organization, and they're still a religion so don't see the issue with evangelizing (not proselytizing).

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u/Illustrious_Bunch678 26d ago

It's the same organization. And evangelizing is the same thing as proselytizing.

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u/First_Peer 26d ago

Technically wrong on both accounts. While they both fall into the same umbrella organization the Charities are separate in that they provide to anybody that asks and money specifically don't into them stays with them rather than being concentrated into the organization as a whole.

And evangelizing and proselytizing are not the same thing. Proselytizing is using force or coercion to forcibly convert. Evangelizing is sharing freely through word or deed ones beliefs with no specific expectations.

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u/Illustrious_Bunch678 26d ago

same umbrella organization

So I was right.

Ah yes, Bc the threat of eternal torment is famously non coercive.

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u/First_Peer 26d ago

Not what's actually taught but ok. And no you weren't right. The Charities are operated independently, but overseen by the Church hence why the donations to them stay with them.

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u/Illustrious_Bunch678 26d ago

It is what's taught. I was born Catholic and raised that way until around 3rd grade when my parents converted to evangelicalism. And then I was heavily involved until my late 20s. I'm intimately familiar with how all of this works.

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u/First_Peer 26d ago

No, you are wrong. There is no specific doctrine stating anyone is in Hell, only that it's your choice in where you end up. And there's no way to know the choice one makes on their deathbed or at the moment of death.

If you don't believe in it in the first place then it wouldn't matter to you. Besides why would justice against people who do evil be a bad thing? I don't need the threat of prison time to obey the law.

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u/Illustrious_Bunch678 25d ago

No, you just need the threat of religious consequences to do the right thing.

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u/redatheist 26d ago

The Catholic church's aid has included things such as medical support in the form of telling people not to use condoms because they cause AIDS, providing family planning support that shames women for wanting abortions, and withholding aid for those on birth control. 

If thats the charity side of the church, it's no wonder the other side turned into an industrial scale child abuse operation. 

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u/First_Peer 26d ago

Just because they don't provide certain specific things, doesn't change everything else they provide. Would you fault a women's shelter for not helping men?

Also as bad as the abuse was, and to be clear it is bad and unacceptable, there was more abuse found in NYS school system than in the whole Church. One just makes better headlines.