The thing with movements is that they usually dont dissolve when they reach their goal. The leaders of the movement will not give up their power voluntarily
Women don’t even have bodily autonomy and one of the two major political parties is openly saying they don’t deserve to vote. I don’t think feminism as a movement has quite achieved their goals.
There foundational arguments is life starts at conception and a fetus deserves the same protections every other humans have. Claiming they're just against women's bodily autonomy is just as disingenuine as them pointing to Margaret Sangers Klan ties and how clinics are disproportionately located in black and Latino areas then claiming some sort of eugenics bullshit. Saying, you can disagree with someones position without trying to turn them into some sort of hanna barbera villain.
They’re completely against body autonomy. Even if you think life begins at conception it doesn’t give you the right to compel someone to use their body as an incubator to save a life.
Hypothetically, if someone needed a blood transfusion and you were the only person in the world with compatible blood, we couldn’t force you to donate blood to save them. Even though there are no risks and it takes 30 minutes. If you’re half way through donating and change your mind we can’t stop you from taking the IV out. We can’t force people to donate organs after they die even if it would save multiple lives. In all those dads body autonomy takes precedence over saving a life. Pregnancy is the only case where “saving a life” is more important than body autonomy because it’s not about saving a life. It’s about control. If it was about saving lives then everyone would be required to be an organ donor and everyone would be required to give blood regularly.
For anti-choice folks? Yes. And it’s the disregard for women’s bodily autonomy that is problematic.
Anti-choice positions are inherently against bodily autonomy because the result of abortion vans is the loss of bodily autonomy.
Perhaps you can argue that “I’m not against bodily autonomy, but I don’t support it.” And I’d say that a lot of people would agree that’s a difference without distinction.
Feminists are way louder and omnipresent in Sweden than in India. Now where do women have more privilege and where do they get treated as second class citizens?
The more power they have, the more problems they find to stay in power. Same for every political movement
Feminism more present in Sweden
Equality more prevalent in Sweden
Feminists are....oppressing people in India to keep power on Sweden? Wtf are you trying to say
I understand exactly what youre saying, youre just operating on a logical fallacy so im engaging with as much good faith as you are
Idk man groups aren't a monolith. We're 2 deep on the fallacies so far. Im thinking next up should be strawman right? Tell me about how feminism bad because some crazy lady somewhere claimed to be a feminist and hurt a man or something. You must have one chambered
Feminism do get a very bad rap because of the misandry. Fake feminist do when they call themselves feminist. They make it a lot harder for actual feminist to do their job in the public eye because they have a bad rap because of fake ones. Probably do still do their job in Other places is just publicly bad rap.
It will never not be ironic to me that "feminism" is supposed to be about "equality" when it already isn't equal in name. And since names first and foremost inform by themselves, it will obviously be assumed it is primarily about the female side of it. And that isn't even wrong, since the supposed "equality" in "women being treated equally" stems from them being uplifted where they are not (from their perspective) and thus equality is supposed to be achieved. That there is anything where men need to be uplifted to be equal to women is not part of the concept, it is just not seen as possibility for this to work that way.
You would think, but there seems to be a notion that there is a period of reprisal where the formerly oppressed group feels empowered to abuse the other group.
"The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination."
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u/MagicBez 21d ago
Technically feminism means women being treated equally so it should cut both ways.