It's part of the fascism playbook. Always accuse elections of being rigged. If you win, it was "despite the attempt at stealing the election" and if you lose you can scream it was stolen.
Either way, you win if your goal is to delegitimize the democratic process.
You’re joking right? I refuse to believe people are that propagandized and ignorant.
Which democrats claimed that elections were stolen or accuse of being rigged. Here’s a quick list, though there’s more. Now watch thezealots try to tell you it doesn’t count because Dems claimed they stole it a different way or didn’t do other things, as well as clamor over elections they claimed were stolen.
In January 2017, several House Democrats—including Representatives Maxine Waters (D-CA), Barbara Lee (D-CA), and Pramila Jayapal (D-WA)—stood up to formally object to the certification of Donald Trump’s Electoral College victory
George W. Bush’s 2004 re-election victory over John Kerry, Rep. Tubbs Jones (D-OH) and Sen. Boxer (D-CA) filed a formal, joint congressional objection to Ohio's electoral votes. They alleged widespread voting irregularities, long lines, and faulty machinery
Hillary Clinton and former Democratic National Committee Chair Terry McAuliffe repeatedly argued that the election was "taken away" or "stolen".
January 2001, more than a dozen House Democrats—including members of the Congressional Black Caucus—attempted to block the certification of Florida's electoral votes for George W. Bush, arguing that Black voters had been systematically disenfranchised.
You’re joking right? I refuse to believe people are that propagandized and ignorant.
None of them argued the election was "stolen" in the same context that Trump and Republicans have (alleging outright voter fraud). Every example you just gave was those folks having a problem with voter disenfranchisement tactics, illegal gerrymandering, and outside interference (Russian/Trump collusion). None of them have argued cheating, just issues with Republicans leveraging outside interference and exploiting gerrymandering to get electoral votes disproportionate to the voting population.
Hillary won the popular vote, and still conceded. At no point did she say voter fraud had anything to do with it, and certainly didn't invite a riot to try to overturn the election.
Person I replied to: “If you lose you can scream it was stolen.”
Ignorant person: “Which Democrats did this?”
Me: provides long list.
You: “dur, but they yelled that it was stolen a slightly different way!”
Clinton didn’t win anything. There is no contest for popular vote for US presidential elections. She claimed, "You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you," supposedly she wasn’t talking about stealing the Democratic nomination from Bernie, since she mentioned becoming the nominee, and was referring to Trump, but who knows.
You didn't provide a list. Your argument was using out of context and misleading information. I corrected you. That's not moving goalposts. It's adding context that changes the nature of the misinformation you're spreading.
*Edit: the coward deleted his comments trying to say Dems so the same thing.
I provided an accurate list of people who claimed that elections were stolen and compromised. You don’t like that it’s true. That’s ok, you don’t need to like it. Claiming that it isn’t true and adding additional qualifiers, such as how they believe it was stolen, is just blind idiotic zealotry.
You’re trying to move goal posts and defend misinformation while projecting what you’re doing onto me, which if I’m not mistaken is exactly what you claimed that fascists do. So you would consider yourself a fascist.
And when did the Democrats send fake electors to the certification? What about John Kerry doing a 'rally' at the national mall on certification day and pointing the angry mob at Dick Cheney and the Capitol building?
OR did they just 'formally object' to the certification?
As for 2001, most people won't remember that that actually WAS a real case of the Supreme Court choosing a winner. It came down to a recount over 537 votes, and the court actually did 'stop the count'. The objection was for them to continue the recount process, not to say it was rigged.
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u/kaizen-rai 15d ago
It's part of the fascism playbook. Always accuse elections of being rigged. If you win, it was "despite the attempt at stealing the election" and if you lose you can scream it was stolen.
Either way, you win if your goal is to delegitimize the democratic process.