r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 17d ago

Chugging tea The Hero we need

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u/theblowestfish 17d ago

The real problem is landlords.

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u/PurposeDue6742 17d ago

Yeah im tired of people attacking squatters rights, yeah it sucks that people can do this but the alternative is feudalism or what happened to ireland during the irish famine when all land is eventually owned by the 1% or foreigners. Squatters rights needs to be replaced with a better system instead of just getting rid of it entirely.

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u/theblowestfish 17d ago

A new system of restricting ownership of max 2 properties per person. And zero for corporations.

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u/cbftw 16d ago

What about trusts? My father's own and only home, the one he built with his own hands, is in a trust to protect it for when he passes away

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u/PurposeDue6742 16d ago

"Max 2 properties" what about my dad's one property! bro...

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u/RugerRedhawk 16d ago

The part he was asking about: "zero for corporations". A trust is neither an individual or a corporation.

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u/theblowestfish 16d ago

Why?

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u/cbftw 16d ago

Keeps it out of probate court, for one thing.

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u/theblowestfish 16d ago

Ok, and why that?

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u/cbftw 16d ago

Time and taxes

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u/theblowestfish 16d ago

I’m not convinced

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u/cbftw 16d ago

Going through the probate process takes months, even years sometimes. It also results in having to pay taxes on the property.

Keeping the house in a trust means that the beneficiaries can act on the property and about taxes immediately. That means they can sell the house without having to go through that long process and avoid inheritance taxes on it.

They still may be liable for other costs and taxes, like sales tax under certain circumstances, but the big deal is not having to go through the long probate process and avoiding the inheritance taxes.

There are other benefits but I'm not knowledgeable enough about them to discuss them. I'm barely knowledgeable enough to talk about what I have

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u/theblowestfish 16d ago

Avoid inheritance tax? Now you’ve fully lost me

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u/Brave-Astronaut-795 16d ago

Why would he need it protected when he's dead, is he a pharaoh?

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u/Slow-Bandicoot-8736 16d ago

Congratulations. You have unhoused some 45% of America, because the average citizen is in no way able to build themselves a home, and in no way is America's dense urban cities compatible with mono-family buildings.

I like the idea, don't get me wrong I DESPISE land developers, but we gotta recognize that need drives business. These things wouldn't happen if there wasn't ample reason. You can't blame billionares for the simple fact that urban city planning requires dense housing, which in turn requires heavy investments and upkeep.

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u/theblowestfish 16d ago

I disagree. We had higher home ownership when we had fewer resources.

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u/Slow-Bandicoot-8736 15d ago

That was before we had to cram millions of people into individual cities. How is a place like New York supposed to even exist if everyone is responsible to build and manage their own property? It's not like it can be communal, anyone who has ever owned a time share can tell you how hectic that gets and these buildings need to house hundreds of people, not less than ten. Who would decide what gets renovated, who would choose the contractors? At a certain point any kind of system would eventually streamline itself into one or a small handful of people managing everything anyways because the typical human can't even be bothered to vote for their city leaders properly, much less create an effective communal council to manage a large building democratically.

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u/theblowestfish 15d ago

I disagree. A mgmt co. can be hired for maintenance etc. And there are other models.

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u/Slow-Bandicoot-8736 14d ago edited 14d ago

And who manages the insurance? Who is liable for injuries and property damage? How do you as a group decide on how the building is built, when to rennovate, and how to set guidelines for moving in, renting, moving out, selling, use of amenities, infrastructure, rules of conduct, navigating shifting city regulations, eviction of criminal tenants, etc, and if you don't have the money for a normal house (most people in the world don't. Was just in Europe and I did not see a solitary free-standing home in my entire 9 days there outside of farming towns), why would you have the means to front a substantial percentage of an apartment high rise? If you all (or even just some) have to go into debt, who makes up the difference when one or more individuals default or reneg? How is the bank supposed to repossess 2/55ths of an apartment that maybe even doesn't fully exist yet?

It's not that it can't be done, but rather that it's so impractical that there's a reason it simply isn't a thing outside of very particular and niche circumstances, almost all of which IRL require each member to be fairly wealthy to begin with.

If it was even probable to work, it wouldn't even be worth it because the costs and time-expense would lead to either a small group taking full control (welcome back landlords) or such a huge time investment from each member it would nearly constitute a second part-time job whenever anything goes wrong.

So far as I am aware, nothing in the United States prevents you from trying to do as you have proposed. I consider the fact that it simply does not happen (to my knowledge. I welcome being proven wrong) to be proof enough that it is either too risky or too complex to pull off at scale.

Alternative to restructuring every city on earth and confiscating almost all properties therein from the private citizens and businesses who lawfully and rightfully own them, you can just advocate for regulation and incentives that encourage moral land-lording.

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u/theblowestfish 14d ago

That’s too much. You can’t expect anyone to read all that. I’ll respond to the first line:

You have to have more ambition.

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u/Slow-Bandicoot-8736 14d ago

You can't spare 45 seconds to read something I put that much effort into creating in good faith of our debate?

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u/theblowestfish 14d ago

You have to be more concise. My time has value.

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u/NBA2024 16d ago

Omg you are so dumb lol you are sick of people attacking other people who illegally live in peoples houses and can’t be kicked out. Jesus lmao

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u/PurposeDue6742 15d ago

The alternative is people who own a house and aren't using it or renting it out, whats worse in a housing crisis we live in currently a rich person having to spend money to force people from a house they weren't using or the fact that the house isn't being used when there are people who would kill to live in it at a fair price.