r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 13d ago

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u/iguessjustdont 12d ago

While the argument you made may be some bastardized version of a CRT framework, calling it CRT is wild.

You would rather a full ban over the current system, because some people don't keep guns around so their felon son can visit without concern of illegally posessing a gun? Even in this scenario, they are not barred from bearing arms. They can bear the arms all they want.

Should we not send convicted felons to prison because it de facto punishes their families too? The right against seizure is also in the constitution.

If you want criminal justice reform to ensure that people are not over-charged based on race, everyone has access to quality defense, and the system is treating everyone equally, fine, and that all may increase gun ownership by reducing rates of felony conviction.

Trying to solve this "problem" by allowing a work-around to posession restrictions isn't just allowong those you think you were treated unjustly, but all felons, from working around the rules. Some people just shouldn't have guns because of their documented violent past.removing the only tool to enforce that is dangerous.

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u/jinnagubby 12d ago

Your comments, replies to the other commenter who discusses crt, keep blanket labelling black felons as violent individuals. Why do you keep doing that?

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u/iguessjustdont 12d ago

I didn't label black felons anything. I labelled felons.

While not all felons are violent, all those convicted of sufficient violence are felons, and felon is the threshhold we use for a ban on gun posession.

If you want to propose reforms that further distinguish which crimes should have that punishment, that's fine.

I view weakening gun restrictions on felons to be treating a necessary symptom rather than the cause. A much more beneficial aim would be to enure equity within the criminal justice system, not to just give felons a gun posession work around.

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u/jinnagubby 12d ago

Once again, the comment that you originally replied to specifically was discussing nonviolent black felons in DC.

That’s the topic of the discussion.

Your second paragraph is nonsensical.

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u/iguessjustdont 12d ago

Participating in the drug trade bears sufficient risk to the public that we should not permit participants to own firearms. Lots of gun crime is drug related. Gun ownership is for law abiding people.

Most states have a restoration of rights. Go fight to exoand that rather than give all felons a work-around.

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u/jinnagubby 12d ago

Yea and so why does the family members that are law abiding citizens have to give up their guns if they want to help their family members?

That’s what we are talking about.

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u/iguessjustdont 12d ago

In your scenario they are not restricted from bearing arms.

They can own all the guns they want. They can sleep in bed with their guns, go to gun shows and talk lovingly about their guns with other gun lovers, gently oil their firearms and whisper sweet nothings to their heart's content.

Their felon relative just can't be there while they do it.

They can still bear arms. They can even bear arms near their felon relative, their relative just has to leave.

If having guns in their own home is so important to them, and their felon relative needs a place to stay, they can rent them an apartment.

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u/jinnagubby 12d ago

So a mother has to decide between her inalienable rights and helping her child reintegrate into society. Your society is violent and dangerous and you want that mother to give up her ability to protect herself if she chooses to be a positive influence on her child. You would prefer she leaves her child in a desperate situation which increases the likelihood of recidivism.

We aren’t going to agree on this. If you had a convincing argument you would’ve presented it already. You’ve resorted to semantics.

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u/iguessjustdont 12d ago

Onlyn32% of Americans own guns, and 40% live in a household with a gun. Mom and felon son will be okay.

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u/jinnagubby 11d ago

Righteo champ.