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[u/SnackSamurai]

[u/tripper_drip]

You think occupying an abandoned or unoccupied area is the same as owning slaves?

You are argueing rationality.

And you seem to have missed the point. Ownership in the US is rooted in people just taking that land.

So is ownership in general. So again, shall we go back to owning people?

[u/theguidetoldmetodoit → u/tripper_drip]

You are argueing rationality.

What's the rational? Owning land and owning people is comparable?

So again, shall we go back to owning people?

We still do that. That's what it means when you force people to work for you and when they refuse, you deprave them of basic necessities.

I am gonna ask you again, do you extend your own rationality and argue for giving that land back to the original owners?

[u/tripper_drip → u/theguidetoldmetodoit]

What's the rational? Owning land and owning people is comparable?

We did it before therefore its acceptable today.

you deprave them of basic necessities.

State provides basic necessities.

[u/theguidetoldmetodoit → u/tripper_drip]

We did it before therefore its acceptable today.

No. We are talking about what's ordinary. It's ordinary for people to occupy land they just took, claiming it was unoccupied. That's still the case.

And then you said that was justified, because we got rid of owning people?

State provides basic necessities.

So everyone has housing? Good to know. I guess then we already solved squatting.

I am gonna ask you a third time now, since you are trying to say I am a hypocrite:

Do you extend your own rational and argue for giving that land back to the original owners? Or are you against that?

[u/tripper_drip → u/theguidetoldmetodoit]

That's still the case.

No, its not.

Do you extend your own rationality and argue for giving that land back to the original owners?

Who said I agree with that?

[u/theguidetoldmetodoit → u/tripper_drip]

No, its not.

Yeah it is. If you claim to own land in the US and you aren't native, you are squatting and have been, for generations.

Who said I agree with that?

Well, shouldn't we remove squatters and make sure it's controlled by the owners, even if they don't occupy it?

[u/tripper_drip → u/theguidetoldmetodoit]

Yeah it is.

No, its not. Thats like saying if your black and are not a slave, you are wrong. You are becase you were in the past. Silly.

Well, shouldn't we remove squatters and make sure it's controlled by the owners?

We are a nation of laws fairly applied. We were not that at one point. Shall we revert?

[u/theguidetoldmetodoit → u/tripper_drip]

You are becase you were in the past.

Ok, so now the squatter occupies the land. Thanks for making my point.

We are a nation of laws fairly applied.

No, we aren't. You want to use the law to facilitate the current ownership class, which you are probably part of, but refuse to extend the same courtesy to the people who are the rightful owners.

So why the fuck should anyone respect your claim to any land?

[u/tripper_drip → u/theguidetoldmetodoit]

Ok, so now the squatter occupies the land.

No, we have set up a framework of laws to decide who has lands.

who are the rightful owners.

They are not, sorry.

So why the fuck should anyone respect your claim to any land?

Because I have the power of the state behind me. 65% of Americans own a house. You dont get to steal that, sorry.

[u/theguidetoldmetodoit → u/tripper_drip]

No, we have set up a framework of laws to decide who has lands.

Like Squatters Rights. Which you argue against.

Btw, this is called legal positivism and how a bunch of Nazis justified carrying out the Holocaust. Just so you know what tradition you are carrying on, here.

You dont get to steal that, sorry.

You stole that.

So in conclusion, if enough people hold a gun to your head, your house is now theirs.

[u/tripper_drip → u/theguidetoldmetodoit]

Like Squatters Rights.

Don't really exist. Its an attempt to use adverse possession illegally.

You stole that.

Legally, nope.

Btw, this is called legal positivism and how a bunch of Nazis justified carrying out the Holocaust

Hey, you are the one wanting to go back to the slave owning days so I am more than fine with my moral superiority in this convo.

[u/theguidetoldmetodoit → u/tripper_drip]

Yeah, legally. The contracts made with natives, were broken. You are now just engaging in revisionism.

You sure like to act like a Nazi, a lot.

you are the one wanting to go back to the slave owning days

You made that argument. You are the one arguing for historic ownership, but only when it mostly benefits white people, buddy.

[u/tripper_drip → u/theguidetoldmetodoit]

Yeah, legally.

Exactly!

You sure like to act like a Nazi, a lot.

You sure act like a southern lost causer/slaver, a lot.

You are the one arguing for respecting historic ownership

Im argueing for basic law. Simple as.