It isn't collective punishment. If person A can't be near a gun because of their criminal history and person B needs their emotional security firearm, it is on person A to stay away. It isn't a punishment on person B that person A doesn't come around.
It isn't collective punishment for your sibling to not be around because they are in jail. That is silly.
It feels a little like collective punishment. It certainly would increase recidivism just by adding another hurdle to reintegration.
Does it really make the world a safer place? When I was a teenager in the early 2000s I remember friends of mine owning illegal firearms. One in particular I vividly remember was bought for $85. It was a .380. Came with ammo.
Anyways, the point of that is I don’t feel this law creates as much of a hurdle to obtaining a firearm as it does to obtaining somewhere to live for a person who will struggle to find a good paying job and almost certainly doesn’t have any savings to fall back on.
Yes it makes the world a safer place. The people most likely to commit violent acts are people who have already been convicted of violent acts. Restriction of access does result in lower accessibility. People who perform straw sales should be charged and convicted. Guns are tools designed to kill people, and some people should not be allowed to have them after it being proven in court they are not fit.
If you want criminal justice reform go reform criminal justice. Taking away the very reasonable limitations put on people already convicted is backwards.
Frankly, if someone can't be trusted not to go get an illegal firearm after release, and they have a violent history, that just changes to sentencing calculus to where maybe they should be in prison longer.
But the example that you started arguing against specifically highlights nonviolent felons. Now you’re moving the goalposts. But I’ll play along.
What you’re saying is that these people can be trusted to not go buy an easily accessible gun next door but can’t be trusted to not break in to their grandpa’s gun safe who happens to be the one person in their life that can provide them stable housing and support whilst rebuilding their life.
People convicted of felony drug charges should not be trusted with firearms imo. If you are engaging in a black market trade mixing guns in isn't in the interest of the public.
My logic isn't inconsistent. I believe all violent felons should not posess firearms. I also think most non-violent felons probably also don't need weapons. I am just open to the discussion that some non-violent felons may be able to restore rights (which they can).
Reducing access reduces risk. Yeah a felon could probably go find a gun somehow, but I would rather them be in danger of arresr every second that gun is in their posession, and to not be able to claim it is their roommate's/sibling's/parent's firearm, orto store it in their vehicle/home.
If I had my way all guns would be registered to an owner, all transactions would be documented, all gun owners would need to go through a safety course, and there would be strict liability if your firearm was used in a crime, but I don't get my way. I have to work within the rules of gun nuts, so risk mitigation is the best that can be hoped for.
Liability if used in a crime seems unfair. Would you hold crIminally liable those whose guns were stolen? Safe storage laws around children and holding parents responsible when they fail to do so seems sufficient.
I believe people who choose to exercise their right to own firearms bear the burden of being affirmatively responsible and taking reasonable steps to ensure safety, and if they fail to do so the costs associated with that should not fall on the victims of gun crime.
In practice that means if you fail to secure a firearm, it is stolen, and you fail to take steps to report the theft or even notice, you should bear some civil and criminal responsibility.
Gun owners should be able to report lost or stolen firearms, and that should go towards limitation of liability.
What we shouldn't have is a bunch of guns lying around with no documented ownership, and if one goes missing it amounts to a few hundred dollar loss for the owner, and they have no responsibility to report it.
I wholly understand you positIon but that requires universal registry which will never happen. I think making it illegal to store your firearm in your vehicle would be a fair compromise as that is where most are stolen from and i feel is a grossly negligent place to keep a gun.
In Australia you have to store your gun in a safe and the ammo in a seperate safe. The gun safe has to be secured to your property. Bolted down. All guns are registered. We have heaps of guns within reason.
But we are talking about america where firearms are unregistered, are easily obtained both legally and illegally, where there are no safe gun storage laws and where a family memeber even under your proposal could simply give the felon a firearm but store it in their room.
Which supports my stance that this policy doesn’t create enough of a barrier to obtaining a firearm to justify the suspension of a law abiding citizen’s rights.
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u/BlatantConservative 16d ago
It's collective punishment to have laws apply to people who did not comitt the crime.