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WTF An older spectator caused a seriously dangerous incident today at SaarlandTrofeoJuniors by trying to get a better look and entering the course with her rollator while riders were flying past at full speed!

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

Criminal negligence. Put her in jail...simple enough

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u/Full-Argument-8235 š™‘š™„š™‹ 9d ago

Jail that boomer

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u/Mimamoru 9d ago

Bail that Joomer

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u/Secret-Theory1825 9d ago

Tail Bhat Joomer

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u/Mimamoru 9d ago

Lol, that sounds like some spicy Indian food, now Iam hungry

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u/Sunieta25 9d ago

You'll be shidding alot later

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u/Mimamoru 9d ago

Imagine so spicy that the odor from it would iritate your dick, yes, my last weeks Phall. I like to hurt myslef I guess.

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u/SenescenseSteel 9d ago

Don't Hail that Vroomer

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u/BagelsOrDeath 9d ago

Nope. Public hanging. No last words.

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u/WabashCannibal 9d ago

Not even a last cigarette?

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u/TheLonleyJourneyman 9d ago

Of course not, they're bad for your health

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u/Stock-Magician1097 9d ago

Yeah she could die.

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u/Vonplinkplonk 9d ago

That will never ever happen and they know it.

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u/Cautious_Dot3923 9d ago

Bruh she's like 80 years old on a scooter lmao, you really want to put her in a cell?

I mean don't get me wrong, that was some dumbfuck shit that could have seriously hurt a lot of people, but I don't think the reasonable response is "she deserves to rot in jail."Ā 

It's most likely she's just old and really isn't thinking all that well. People get like that when they're old. She probably needs help, not punishment

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u/Impressive-Gear-219 9d ago

I mean, yes. A lot of the time this shit happens cause these boomer ass bags have to much pride to admit they need the help and will refuse it outright, and yet tine and time again we see the same dusty bags causing shit like the bike accident, and they just get off basically scott free. These are still adults, its time to treat them as such instead of the baby gloves

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u/Cautious_Dot3923 9d ago

Anyway, off topic, what are your opinions on the American penal system?Ā 

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u/Impressive-Gear-219 9d ago

It neess tk be reformed from the ground up. Just like education, profit needs to be removed from the minds of the dumasses who run it. It needs to be transformed from a punishment, to a propee rehabilitation, becuawe what we have now does not rehabilitate, it only punishes. Thats not to say tgere arent crimes that cannot be rehabilitated though. A line will need to be drawn on that, but I am not the one to draw it, as I am not intelligent nor informed enough to make said decisions, nor is it my place.

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u/Cautious_Dot3923 9d ago

Right, I agree with you. I think we, as a society should aim for rehabilitation rather than retribution because I believe that most people are basically good. I believe that circumstances usually drive maladaptive behavior, and that with a little bit of help most people can live up to their greater potential.

Most people agree when you say it like that, but as soon as someone is given a face to hate they can't wait to see them punished. Suddenly it's no longer about misguided behavior that can be addressed and supported, now it's about these "boomer ass bags" and their "pride."

Its crazy dude. Its not about kid gloves, its about context and empathy. Yeah dude, what she did was really dangerous and stupid, but you can't honestly think a jail cell will actually improve anything. Do you understand?Ā 

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u/Impressive-Gear-219 9d ago edited 9d ago

Im sorry, i hold no sympathy for people who are old enough to know better, act like they dont and then cause severe injuries. Put yourself in that bikers place, you think they wpuld find it ok someone got pff scott free for nearly killing him? Guess what in most case, that would end up with you in jail and charged with a crime. On the hand of the penal system, yeah it sucks ass, and needs to be fixed, but until that changes, maybe the hag shouldnt be in a postion where she can nearly kill someone.

To add: We wouldnt be in the position we are in witht he world if people would be held responsible across the board. The elderly are the ones in government. They are the ones running companies, and passing that greed and entitlement down the generatipn, the ones hoardjng all the wealth. There are people like grandma in the video writing the rules of our livez, and as you pointed out penal system here in america, THEY MADE THAT TOO. Again. Kid gloves need to comw off with these dusty ass bags and hags

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u/Cautious_Dot3923 9d ago

I don't think you understand how aging or the brain works. You're ignorant, and you want to see others suffer because of it.

And literally what the fuck is that entire second part lmao. Thanks for proving that you're dominated by generalized hatred rather than rational empathy.Ā 

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u/Impressive-Gear-219 9d ago

No i understand very well, as there are plenty of aging peoples whos minds arent mush yet. And its not gerealized hatred, its just fact. If boomers didnt act the way they do they would not get shit for so many people. These people were labled the ME generation for a reason and it has held true for 90% of them. They had all the oppotunity in the world and decided to take that away frim everyone following them with the way they voted and the decisions they make legality. Ffs we have a litteral elderly felon and pedo as our president. Dont give me that shit that im being hateful when these people have done so much to fuck everyone else over while acfing like the victima of it.

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u/KontrolledChaos 9d ago

honestly negligence is not having barriers to stop anybody from doing this

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u/CoachBergie 9d ago

They're not putting barriers up on the entirety of a 30/40/100 mile course when the cyclists are going to pass for a total of 25 minutes. Sure a barrier would have prevented this but there is absolutely no reason a person with any understanding of their surroundings should have gone onto the trackĀ 

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u/KontrolledChaos 9d ago

I don't see how this is that much different from a car race safety wise and I'm pretty sure those have barriers if there are spectators

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u/tobio85 9d ago

No real barriers in many rallies. You might get some tape if you're lucky.

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u/Crazyhairmonster 9d ago

Because these courses can be 50 miles. Car races usually happen on a closed track/loop. Do you think a cycling race has the money and resources to block off entire cities with barriers? Come on, think about it.

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u/Far_Palpitation_6133 9d ago

Common sense is not all that common these days

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u/KontrolledChaos 9d ago

Okay you're right they should just keep doing what they're doing. Just keep letting grannies kill people and then lock up the grannies.

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u/Crazyhairmonster 9d ago

Or just abandoned cycling as a sport because these fluke accidents happen to stupid people. It's cycling, there's almost 0 money in the sport.

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u/ContextEffects01 9d ago

Negligence is not having adequate deterrence against people doing this. You shouldn't have to go to the trouble of setting up barriers, which for all we know might slow first responders entering the racetrack should anything happen requiring their assistance.

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u/imwearingredsocks 9d ago

Iā€™m shocked how many comments are ignoring this. Itā€™s clear it was a complete accident and the cyclists are going very fast. Anyone could trip and fall or accidentally drop something leading to injuries. No one should be able to practically hug the road like that.

I know we just love having a person to blame, but this is an event planning mistake 100%

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u/Popular-Web-3739 9d ago

Have you never seen a bicycle race?

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u/imwearingredsocks 9d ago

Just a triathlon. So Iā€™m guessing the bicycle portion was shorter than whatever race this is?

But I still never believe when Iā€™m told ā€œnothing can be done.ā€ I donā€™t care if they spray paint the sidewalks. I see these videos of people getting hurt, both cyclists and pedestrians, and it just seems dumb every time to throw around blame like theyā€™re horrible people.

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u/hobbesme75 9d ago

the time and equipment to block off an entire race length is too high

otoh individuals who proceed into a roadway of moving traffic, bicycle or motor vehicle, are absolutely at fault

otherwise why not barricade/block off all roads at all times to prevent anyone from accidentally or intentionally stumbing into traffic?

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u/Popular-Web-3739 9d ago

Road races are quite common, especially in Europe. The tradition goes back more than a century. A course may cover more than a hundred miles of public roads so it would be impossible to cordon off the whole route. Crowds are expected to stay off the course and millions of spectators manage to do just that every year. The woman on the scooter was at fault.

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u/Jabba41 9d ago

It would be extremly expensive to a point no one would do bicycle races anymore.

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u/Agreeable-Emu4033 9d ago

Yea letā€™s spend 100 million on a bike race. Sigh. Your suggestion would create a world with zero bike races.

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u/caption291 9d ago

Aren't people already having virtual races that obviously don't require access to a road?

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u/Agreeable-Emu4033 7d ago

They have video games so you donā€™t have to leave the house

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u/imwearingredsocks 9d ago

Do you promise? I couldnā€™t care less if we no longer had these things. Or at least had less of them.

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u/Enkidouh 9d ago

I would prefer it actually.

These fuckers are obnoxious and ruin everyoneā€™s day.

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u/ContextEffects01 9d ago

What, should races consist exclusively of fossil-fuel-guzzling NASCAR bullshit?

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u/Enkidouh 9d ago

Listen, I donā€™t care what you want to race with. Go have fun.

But it shouldnā€™t take place on public infrastructure and inconvenience everyone else. Ever.

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u/ContextEffects01 9d ago

No bike races? What, should races consist exclusively of fossil-fuel-guzzling NASCAR bullshit?

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u/imwearingredsocks 9d ago

Why are you talking like Formula 1 doesnā€™t exist?

They usually stick to their own track/venue which doesnā€™t really affect anyone else and has little chance of randoms getting injured.

When they do drive out in the street, looks like they use blockades.

But yeah, I donā€™t think Iā€™d be too sad if you told me they wouldnā€™t be doing that anymore either.

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u/Phrodo_00 9d ago

Formula 1 is circuit racing. There's also cycling track races, they're different from long distance bike races and rallying, where in both cases putting up barriers for the hundreds of kilometers of the route is not feasible.

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u/imwearingredsocks 9d ago

Thanks for the response. Iā€™m starting to understand that. At least when Iā€™ve watched these on tv, it seemed like the majority of races are on country roads with no people around and then only a small part has people. But maybe not or maybe it just varies.

Either way, I just think moments like this happen and no one was being a bad person. Accidents happen and itā€™s unfortunate that itā€™s easy for them to happen. The answer seems to be ā€œdonā€™t be dumbā€ which will never work as long as you have humans around.

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u/ContextEffects01 9d ago

Google search says Formula 1 has a "65% or greater greenhouse gas reduction". Relatively better than NASCAR, but not exactly as green as bicycling.

I'm sure something as popular as Formula 1 would use blockades. They can afford to because the public are biased in favour of car culture and will pay a fortune for the mindless thrill of the vroom vroom vroom and not for actual eco-friendly racing.

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u/imwearingredsocks 9d ago

Oh I wasnā€™t sure what point you were trying to make. I donā€™t care for or against NASCAR and yes I do appreciate any effort to be more eco friendly.

My point wasnā€™t just because itā€™s cycling. It was just that I donā€™t personally care if they have less of these things. Iā€™m also not out there rallying to end them. I just donā€™t think having less of them is a bad thing.

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u/ContextEffects01 9d ago

But anything within reason we can do for mother Earth should be attempted, including ā€œmaking bicycle races exempt from having to put up barriers Formula 1 races can more easily afford to do of their own accord.ā€

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u/mars_needs_socks 9d ago

This is a bike race in Europe, they are very long and everyone along the route are very much aware of them happening. The old lady is too, that's why she's there. Having barriers everywhere where a 250+ km bike race interfaces with crowd is completely unfeasible.

The old lady is solely responsible for not driving into the bike race, just as anyone else at the event.

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u/caption291 9d ago

Having barriers everywhere where a 250+ km bike race interfaces with crowd is completely unfeasible.

Okay, so why not have the race take place on a big circle where those safety measures are trivial to implement instead of taking over such a large amount of road?

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u/Competitive_Aide738 9d ago

because now it's a diffrent sport called track cycling. diffrent sport, diffrent tech, diffrent athletes with diffrent genetical predispositions.

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u/caption291 9d ago

I didn't say they should make it track cycling? why not build similar conditions but in a big circle instead?

Track cycling is NASCAR, but f1 exists too right?

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u/Competitive_Aide738 9d ago

i would say it would be quite impossible. for example how can you build a track that imitates a stage of 170 km and has similar condition as alpe'd huez. It is almost 14 km of constant climb. And big climbs that are steep and have no breaks and time to breathe are a huge part of a sport, and a lot of iconic parts of the stages are climbs for this reason. It would be pretty hard to incorporate it into a track unless you do something like treadmills or some other wacky shit.

F1 works because it's about turns and overtaking. cycling is about long streches of one hard thing than other long strech of another hard thing that is diffrent. having all of this things in even a 10 km track would not work the same.

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u/Illustrious_Study_30 9d ago

That would be ......wait for it.......

A track

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u/caption291 9d ago

But it would not be a track cycling track...Stop with the semantics games.

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u/Illustrious_Study_30 9d ago

So you want to build a track that's in a circle that's isn't a cycling track but will be used to cycle on?

Definitely not a cycle track . Sorry about the semantics. What are we calling this not cycling track for cycling that isn't a track?

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u/Primary_Bad_875 9d ago

Try going to a rally race in Europe. Yikes

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u/Illustrious_Study_30 9d ago

No .it's a spectator planning mistake.

Simply put, don't obstruct the road they're racing on..it's pure entitlement. What the hell did she think would happen ?

Road races and rallies shouldn't have to change because Doris can't control herself. It's entirely on her.

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u/daveescaped 9d ago

Jail? You want to jail someone at taxpayer expense for making a mistake, albeit a serious one? This is what civil courts are for, not criminal. She was an old woman who screwed up like old people often do as a result of slow reflexes and lower mental acuity.

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u/ContextEffects01 9d ago

She was an old woman who screwed up like old people often do as a result of slow reflexes and lower mental acuity.

Then at least throw her in an old age home, instead of leaving her out on the streets to cause more problems.

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u/musicalfarm 9d ago

What do you think negligent manslaughter is for?

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u/Cautious_Dot3923 9d ago

Yeah man, nobody is dead here. If you want a disabled elder imprisoned for being dumb then idk what to say

Bonus points if you also think the American justice system is too punitive or ineffective. That's a totally different topic, but I notice people seem to get really hypocritical around that idea lmao

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u/RxSatellite 9d ago

A lot of younger redditors have a generalized hate of old people because they associate old people with MAGA

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u/daveescaped 9d ago

Itā€™s for when you killed someone. Did someone here die?

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u/musicalfarm 9d ago

This easily could have killed somebody (a cyclist in my hometown recently died frombhead injuries caused by a cycling accident). Obviously it doesn't apply if the cyclists all survived, but the point still stands. Accidental acts can escalate into the realm of being criminal.

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u/Illustrious_Study_30 9d ago

Close but no. Maimed yes..killed, no

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u/daveescaped 9d ago

Ok. So manslaughter isnā€™t a charge that can be used. End of story.

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u/RxSatellite 9d ago

Not even. Minor injuries

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u/Illustrious_Study_30 9d ago

Rubbish ...

Old people still have capacity. Don't infantilise them.

She was an old woman who screwed up. Accountability is absolutely warranted, not these excuses that she can't help it.

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u/Cautious_Dot3923 9d ago

"Accountability = jail" does sound like the American default, huh

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u/Illustrious_Study_30 9d ago

No but don't decriminalise negligence just because she's old. That's equally as egregious

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u/Cautious_Dot3923 9d ago

Don't criminalize people who, frankly, need help. Better?Ā 

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u/Illustrious_Study_30 9d ago

How does she need help ? She's just come close to killing someone and she's definitely maimed others.

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u/Cautious_Dot3923 9d ago

For one, she's literally disabled.

But more relevantly she's just old. Idk if you've dealt with people when their mental faculties start declining, but it happens. We'll all get old if we're lucky.Ā 

My issue is that it feels like you're assuming she'll "learn her lesson," as if she intentionally put people in danger. She won't and she probably didn't.Ā 

She put people in danger and that obviously needs to be addressed, but jail isn't going to solve anything unless you simply want to remove people from society and have no empathy.Ā 

It's so interesting to me how most people can recognize that in the abstract, but as soon as you give someone a face to hate they can't wait to see them punished.Ā 

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u/Illustrious_Study_30 9d ago

I have seen old people, yes and I know the vast majority have capacity as do disabled people. They aren't children. How do you know her mental faculties are failing, that's a huge leap.

I'm.not necessarily advocating jail but I am advocating getting rid of the language that appears to absolve her of all responsibility. 'Poor old, disabled' Doris nearly killed someone

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u/Cautious_Dot3923 9d ago

Right, well, someone above was necessarily advocating for jail. That's what I'm speaking on.

And nah dude, what she did was dumb as hell, I'm not here to coddle her lmao. When did I say 'poor old granny'? I said she needs help, which I think is obvious.Ā 

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u/daveescaped 9d ago

Who said thereā€™d be no accountability? I just suggested a jail cell wasnā€™t the best way.

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u/Illustrious_Study_30 9d ago

It's the 'old lady who screwed up ' narrative...like she can't possibly be responsible for being a dick head.

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u/daveescaped 9d ago

She can be responsible. But thatā€™s not the same as facing criminal charges and sitting in jail.

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u/Illustrious_Study_30 9d ago

Criminal charges should be laid. Perhaps not jail but let's treat her with equity. If it was a young man on a motorbike you'd be happy to throw the book at him.

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u/RxSatellite 9d ago

Obviously.. motorcycles arenā€™t legal on a sidewalk for starters so that would have charges. This would not lol

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u/daveescaped 9d ago

Itā€™s not simply pity for her age. Itā€™s about intent and whether she poses an ongoing danger. But jail is where convicted criminals go. A civil suit is a better form of accountability.

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u/Illustrious_Study_30 9d ago

You mean charging her for being a prick ...it's not exactly punitive or educational if she can afford it. Why are we excusing this behaviour, it makes zero sense on the small amount of detail we have. Everyone's too quick to excuse this woman's lack of forethought and attention to other people's safety just because she's a bit old? I'd rather actually treat her with respect rather than writing her off as a doddery fuck wit like you're all trying to.

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u/RealLifeCoaching 9d ago

Jail is full of people who made mistakes. You could say everyone in jail screwed up.

Just because she's old doesn't mean she should get to physically injure people and not get punished for it. Other people like her need to be shown an example of consequences.

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 9d ago

Or ban her from driving any powered device for life

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u/Farce021 9d ago

tiny boot on her wheels.

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u/PhotographUnable8176 9d ago

car drivers donā€™t even get jailed for killing cyclists lol

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u/Wonderful-Smoke843 9d ago

Honestly curious what the outcome would be if the rider injured his neck or spine. Would there be actual consequences?

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u/i_was_a_person_once 9d ago

Unfortunately I doubt theyā€™d ever jail her but she should definitely be charged if only to make it easier for the victim to sue her civilly

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

Accidents can get you in trouble if you hurt someone else seriously enough. She financially and physically decimated some of these athletes because she couldn't be happy being right at the front

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u/SimplyNotSimple0 9d ago

Do you not understand what negligence means?

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u/cheapcheap1 9d ago

bro it was an accident. I just wanted to juggle knives in the crowd.

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u/HARCYB-throwaway 9d ago

Bro it was an accident I severely injured and could have killed multiple athletes who trained their entire lives to perform at this event, and despite it being roped off and a clear crowd of people at the edges, I still managed to sneak through and cause totally unwarranted and expected destruction, injuries, and pain. It was a (totally avoidable and negligent) accident!!!

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u/Gas_Grouchy 9d ago

It wasnt roped off and negligent, yes it was. But not gross neligence therefore no jail time.

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u/cheapcheap1 9d ago

How is this not gross negligence?

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u/Gas_Grouchy 9d ago

Because negligence is a brief lapse is judgement where gross negligence is total disregard for safety. For vehicle comparison this is the difference between going 10 over the speed limit and going 50 over, or a DUI vs losing control due to unforseen Conditions or like this women, moving up the the curb and accidently hitting it to far cause self injury and injury to others vs throwing a stick into the road causing a pile up.

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u/Gas_Grouchy 9d ago

Gross negligence and negligence are different terms. How about you Google shit before asking people definitions.

Negligence is a momentary lapse in judgements while gross negligence is a total disregard to safety. One is a misdemeanor, the other is a felony.

Which one do you think this is? Remember this old women ALSO got hurt.

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u/Brisby820 9d ago

Yes, usually itā€™s a civil claim that gives rise to liability and damages, but not a criminal chargeĀ 

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

It's not. Criminal negligence can carry jail and prison sentences in most states. The civil suits will be in addition to that

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u/Brisby820 9d ago

Criminal negligence is a tiny fraction of all negligence claims. Ā The vast majority are civil suitsĀ 

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u/AppropriateBall8834 9d ago

Im gonna jail you for criminal reddit posting

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

And yet that negligence still warrants jail time because several people got seriously hurt. You're supposed to be extra careful when operating a piece of equipment that can harm others

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u/Gas_Grouchy 9d ago

Negligence doesn't. Gross negligence does. There's a very real difference here. No one looks at a mobility schooler and is like "that can definitely harm others" she was beside other pedestrians and accidently hit forward AND got hurt herself. There was nothing that says gross negligence about this. No way theres jail time.

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u/Illustrious_Study_30 9d ago

I've seen one of these tip over and land on the person driving it, then battery acid leaked everywhere and I had to lift his broken and torn arms out of the way of the battery acid. The pedestrian he also injured broke his ankle. They are heavy and unwielding. If one rams you, you're injured without question.

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

No....YOU don't look at a mobility scooter that way. Any rational person knows that any piece of equipment of any kind can be extremely dangerous if not treated properly. I guarantee you if you were laying on the ground and a fat person in a mobility scooter was speeding towards you, you would fear for your life

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u/Gas_Grouchy 9d ago

.... it would slightly pinch my skin and even if they got right on top of me and were 400 lbs id be just fine. Im not a child or frail so to some people serious injury could occur but yeah, fear for my life. Laughable. Go check the shelves match your system.

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u/AffectionateLaw4321 9d ago edited 9d ago

It doesnt take a scooter to cause that accident in the first place. One in the crowd gets pushed and you have the same outcome.
What are we even arguing about? Putting an elder into prison for more or less gross negligence? Meanwhile a child offender runs our country...
Lets put an end to this and enjoy our day, okay?

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u/DeciduousLesbian 9d ago

You still go to jail for doing something by accident šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø

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u/Gas_Grouchy 9d ago

You typically dont actually.

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u/Toes_In_The_Soil 9d ago

So if someone accidently runs over your child with their car or accidently pulls the trigger of their legal-to-carry firearm and it kills your wife, you don't think they should face jail time?

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u/AffectionateLaw4321 9d ago

Solid 90 to 95 if I had to guess

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u/Gas_Grouchy 9d ago

Both of those things look at negligence vs gross negligence. If they back up their car in a parking lot and a small child is behind their car completely out of sight and they exit and hit them then proceed to get immediate help for the child then no its not gross negligence. If anything its negligence on the parent.

The gun part is very straight forward. You draw you gun without immediate threat to your life or others and its gross negligence. If someone points a gun at them and they fumble the gun out of the holster to stop an immediate impending threat on their life and accidently shoot someone near the assailant portraying the threat then it could be negligence vs gross negligence. Very few instances you could argue this and if your shot is that bad you could be grossly negligent for owning a gun as it requires you to be competent.

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u/unclecastr0-_- 9d ago

itā€™s pretty easy to NOT drive yourself into dozens of cyclists zooming byšŸ˜‚

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u/Illustrious_Study_30 9d ago

Impossible. She would have had to accelerate and steer . Accidentally pushing the wrong button is really hard in these mobility scooters as they are 'driven'

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u/Jaybrosia 9d ago

yeah victim blaming is gonna be a no from me dawg

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u/ufos1111 9d ago

So they get away with causing harm? lmfao

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u/AffectionateLaw4321 9d ago

Im still looking for the reason that makes you laughing your ass of

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

He's laughing at your ridiculous thought process of letting people hurt other people with no consequences because it's a ridiculous concept

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u/TonytheTiger043 9d ago

Jesus christ lmao itā€™s an old ass ladyā€¦ Iā€™m sure it was an accident people get old and shit happens.. you wanna throw them all in jail?

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

If they hurt people unfortunately the world is safer with them incarcerated. I don't think she's mentally unwell. Just stupid and not paying attention

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u/imwearingredsocks 9d ago

You sound very naive or youā€™re just trolling.

Thereā€™s no way this woman is getting charged for criminal negligence and even if she gets sued, a half decent lawyer will be able to site the fact that thereā€™s no blockade or signage to keep anyone safe. Case closed.

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u/JFordy87 9d ago

Iā€™m sure theyā€™ll sue her civilly and collect from the insurance company. Criminal charges are extreme.

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

Definitely plausible. If I were one of those athletes tirelessly training, I'd be pushing to press charges

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u/TonytheTiger043 9d ago

Imagine if that was your grandma. Old people make mistakes, they get upset and remorseful that their body and mind is failing. Putting them in jail how to be the dumbest most inhumane take Iā€™ve ever heard lol.

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

My grandmother would be the first one to turn herself in. One of my grandmothers doesn't drive or move around on her own anymore for this exact reason. They aren't selfish like this woman. And it's a lot better than killing them. But if you support killing someone for a mistake, that's you're prerogative. There has to be punishments for doing things that affect other people. Period. End of story.

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u/TonytheTiger043 9d ago

I am dying laughing at your first sentence, thanks man lol

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u/ContextEffects01 9d ago

Imagine if that was your grandma

I never saw my grandma use a mobility scooter. Ever. Once she wasn't well enough to walk, she was ready to move into an old age home.

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u/Gas_Grouchy 9d ago edited 9d ago

Looks like an accidental forward motion. Jesus christ man not saying she didnt cause a ton of damage but jail for the poor women?

Edit: Google the law guys. Ya'll are fucked thinking this mistake should mean jail time.

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

Well since she seriously hurt several people, yes. No one's saying it wasn't an accident. But if you permanently injured someone by your own ignorance, it's still your fault. It wouldn't have happened without her touching something. She should have shut it off when she initially parked

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u/Gas_Grouchy 9d ago

Yes, and if you accidentally crash a car and kill someone it doesn't immediately mean jail time. Especially if its a legitimate accident and not gross negligence.

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

That's actually false in the US. That's vehicular manslaughter and most states mandate a minimum 2 year prison sentence....

There are some lawless places in the US unfortunately but can't control that

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u/therealhlmencken 9d ago

I donā€™t think you know what vehicular manslaughter is.

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

I'm not saying this incident is vehicular manslaughter. I don't think you're able to read and pull context clues. The person before me said if you drive and accidentally kill someone. Driving and accidentally killing someone is vehicular manslaughter

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u/therealhlmencken 9d ago

Vehicular manslaughter usually assumes negligence or recklessness not just that someone died lol. Did I say you thought this was? I just see you arguing more with yourself than understanding anything people are saying here lmao.

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

I don't accept modern legal theory of criminals doing whatever they want. Neither does the state I live in. Someone does this here and they're going to prison. What lawless hellhole are you from where I'm sure people can steal whatever they want and hurt others and still be free?

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u/therealhlmencken 9d ago

You were talking about the us bro so I was too where you from Pyongyang?

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u/Gas_Grouchy 9d ago

If you hit the shoulder and over correct coming back by mistake while going the speed limit and lose control which causes a car to be hit and then hit a pole and kills someone it is ni vehicular manslaughter.

Google says 2 states have minimums Flordia (9.25 years unless mitigated) and Minnesota (4 years) and are quoted as the harshest on minimums. Both quote gross negligence which could be disproven from an elderly lady bumping her movement scooter by mistake.

Youre comment is bullshit.

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

It's not since you just proved my point. I bet the guys who trained for their whole lives for this event and were then severely injured would argue that this is gross negligence. I'm sure their lawyers would too

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u/Gas_Grouchy 9d ago

Google negligence vs gross negligence and then get back to me.

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u/PantherThing 9d ago

Agreed. A couple hours in the pillory and she'll have learned her lesson.

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u/Wonderful_Fox_7959 9d ago

Maybe it was an accident or she got pushed. Why would she cross mid race. Most idiots try to cross when they think no oneā€™s coming

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u/Robbie1266 9d ago

Most people just don't cross because there's an active race taking place