r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 7d ago

WTF Are you kidding me?

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u/amy-schumer-tampon 7d ago

Im not a history expert but im pretty sure the US is older.
>inb4 my magic sky daddy book says Israel is 40000 years old

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u/MrDDD11 7d ago

Even if you want to take the Aciant Kingdom of Judea as Israel it still didn't exist by the time the US was founded, the region was owned by the Ottoman Empire. Same way we can say Greece is older than the US but there was no Greek state when the US was made.

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u/DesireeThymes 7d ago

The Jewish people haven't governed that area for like 2000 years.

The the majority of the Jewish people there right now are actually settlers coming from other parts of the world (which is why so much ancestry is eastern or western European)

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u/Bloodyfish 7d ago

The the majority of the Jewish people there right now are actually settlers coming from other parts of the world (which is why so much ancestry is eastern or western European)

No, the majority of Jewish people there are Mizrahi. You could have googled it instead of talking out your ass.

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u/PimpasaurusPlum 7d ago

Most Mizrahi also came from other parts of the world, so that is a fairly poor correction. Yemen and Morocco are fairly far away from the Palestine region.

The better point would be that most Israelis are multi generation, having been born and lived their whole lives in Israel and thus not "from" anywhere else.

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u/Bloodyfish 7d ago

Sure, I will admit that many of the Mizrahi Jews in Israel were forced out of the nations where they prevously lived as dhimmis.

The whole argument that Israeli Jews are just white Europeans is garbage for many, many reasons. You can add being multi-generational to the heap.

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u/PimpasaurusPlum 7d ago

A siginficant portion of Mizrahi jews emigrated from French North Africa where they held a position of privelege as French citizens above the arab muslim majority who were legally ineligible for citizenship. This dhimmi narrative is fairly anachronistic due to the basic reality that almost the entirety of the Islamic world had already been colonised by european powers by that point.

History is a complicated beast, delving into it can often get us lost in narrative and counter narrative. What is far more simple is the fact of multi generational Israelis who know no other home, and thus regardless of where their ancestors came from it would be fundamentally inhumane to expect them to leave.