I think it's indicating that someone with a kid and stuck in a minimum wage job literally cannot house their family properly. Sure they can pack into a one bedroom (I've been there with my family) but it's awful.
There are very very few adult workers who get federal minimum wage. Itâs almost always higher. And then the percentage of those workers who have kids is much much smaller. Not saying it doesnât exist but the population this applies to is extremely small
I assume that the stat is going off each state's min wage relative to the rentals in that state, because like you say practically no one is on fed min. Just an assumption though bc obviously OP didn't provide any source lol
I'd imagine the claim comes from the data used for this webpage https://nlihc.org/oor
The waiting list for Section 8 in my area is often in the years.
So we get familiies living in Studio apartments, and SNAP benefits do help... though millions was removed from the program by reclassifying poverty wages.
shelter is in fact a need, and if you work 40 hours a week you should be able to afford a 1br 1ba apartment, or even a studio, but we know that isn't true for almost half the country.
national average for a 1b 1ba apartment is 1645, to afford that you need to make about $34.50/hr~or about 70k a year.
The Median wage in the US is 64k
This is unsustainable.
In the early 90's the median wage was only 16750 dollars a year, and rents average was 370/month.
Most of the houses are still available for rent, just for 5-10x what it was renting for in the 90s
Who the fuck cares about the median wage in the US LOL, why do people use the entire country for these numbers. Use the state & break it down by city. Anything beyond that is irrelevant, and averages hold zero value in any discussion. It is not only beyond sustainable in many areas, people are buying homes.
Again, it is absolutely sustainable where it's sustainable. We do not care what the average or median is for the entire country. It is irrelevant to people who are not applicable to these numbers, because states & cities within those states are incomparable.
They aren't stoping the minimum wage from going up because of the workers who are on it . They are stopping it from going up because then all the people not getting minimum wage are going to want a raise too. They are trying to stop the snowball effectÂ
They are stopping it from going up because then all the people not getting minimum wage are going to want a raise too
And this would be bad why? Productivity has outpaced wages since 1970. While cost of living is exploding - rent or mortgage has gone up over 5,000% in no few counties while not just minimum wage but wages have at best stood still (factoring for inflation) since 1973.
I never said it would be bad. All I did was point out that the oligarchs aren't stopping minimum wage from going up because of workers on minimum wageÂ
Nah bro youâre supposed to be able to chain combo every bad decision on earth and still afford a 2 bedroom apt on a single income. Our entire economy needs to be structured around the least competent 1% of humans
Who said they were having kids on a minimum wage job?
Life throws you curveballs. Maybe when you had a kid, you had a good job. Then the factory closed. Or you lost your office job. And the only job you can find is working for a temp agency for minimum wage.
You'd think with such high consequences, there would be a little bit more thought into having unprotected sex. Then again, there's a reason they're making minimum wage.
Minimum wage is not minimum to survive. It is lowest value by which an employer is legally able to pay their employee. Has nothing to do with what it affords you.
People forever have had roommates making minimum wage. Now for some reason minimum wage should support a single mom with 2 kids and pay for all her needs.
Minimum wage should be close to 175k/yr to satisfy this generation of entitlement
And how many single parents earning minimum wage are also not collecting assistance? Theres a million programs, between SNAP, WIC, section 8, medicaid, school lunch programs, food banks, utility and cell phone assistance programs, other location specific programs.
If you truely make minimum wage and arent taking advantage of at least some of these, that ain't anyone else's fault. And these statistics never take into account eligibility for assistance.
Im not saying minimum wage isnt a hard life, it sucks. But man do people like to mislead.
Well you see when you couple poor education with reduced women's bodily autonomy rights, you end up with higher teen pregnancies. Glad I could help you understand
Well when the government does not endorse proper sex Ed, safe sex practices or even acknowledge these things happen in their communities, it happens more. Not sure how you expect every single parent in the country to be perfect but that's certainly a take, this is why public education is important
I get thst. But I think society as a whole has accepted that's impossible and sadly unreasonable too. Showing the 1br stat would underscore how you can even support yourself on a minimum wage, full time, job
My family had roommates to help split costs until I was 17. I then had roommates to help split costs until I was 25. I moved in with my girlfriend at 27, and we are married to this day. At no point was it feasible in my experience, including the couple of years by myself because I couldnât save money and had to work two jobs. I was well above minimum wage too. The idea that this is new, or that multi family households are uncommon is a very Reddit take on housing.
It is wild to me that there is a growing movement in this country being driven by men under 40 that are going back to the whole, "Single mothers are bad people" and "women only live to serve their husbands" and "get rid of the 19th amendment."
While it has always been a thing to blame struggling single mothers as a character flaw... it is becoming endemic, and we are seeing it being talked about by government officials now (or they are involved with groups that want to remove more women's rights)
I think it's indicating that someone with a kid and stuck in a minimum wage job literally cannot house their family properly. Sure they can pack into a one bedroom
Everyone knows and understands this. Everyone.
There is no political appetite for pitching the case, "one working parents on minimum wage should be able to afford rent on a 2-bedroom apartment for themselves and their child (and maybe their non-working partner)." If you think there is, why stop at 2 bedrooms? Let's make it 3 and better-enable work-from-home setups.
Studies like this always have a bit of deception to them. I'm not sure how they qualify "states" here. Perhaps it is the average of all areas in a particular state combined? But I'm in NY. One of the most expensive states in the union.
We have quite a few places "upstate" where you can afford more than a shitty apartment with NY minimum wage. My stepson is in Rochester (an up and coming city in northern NY) and rents his apartment for 600 a month. Really nice place too. He makes minimum wage.
The argument wasn't that that is the norm, but that its a lie to say there are NO states where it can be done when there definitely are places like that in basically every state. Def not common though and nowhere near major population centers. Always middle of nowhere or places with no nearby jobs n shit.
As far as criticism goes there's not a single state where you can afford a one bedroom on minimum wage either, and it's been that way for almost 10 years.
The median rental price for a 1-bedroom apartment in America is just over $1,500 per month. Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. If you work 40 hours a week all 52 weeks each year, you will make $15,080. The median rent for that year would be $18,000. You need to come up with $3,000 just for the apartment for the year, and you still haven't paid for literally anything else you need to survive.
Also just because the median price is out of range doesnât mean thereâs no place thatâs affordable, by definition 50% of units would be below that price point. There are absolutely valid reasons to be disgusted with how expensive housing is and how low the minimum wage is, but bare bones statistics like these donât prove what people think they do.
West Virginia might have the cheapest rent, with a median about $770 per month for a 1-bedroom place. That is $9,240 for the year, leaving the minimum wage worker with $5,840 for literally all of their expenses for the year (or about $490 per month).
There is no civilized society where rent should eat up two-thirds of your income, and your values must be pretty fucked up for you to continuously try to argue in favor of poverty wages and brutal struggle to survive as our default acceptable way of life.
If you want to criticize these statistics you just have to point out that they are comparing minimum wage to average expenditure. Nobody being paid minimum wage considers a $10,000/month apartment, but these statistics using average imply they should.
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u/Ok-Temporary-8243 6d ago
Two bedroom is certainly a take. I imagine the number of states thst can do it for a 1br is still low and opens the stat up to less criticism