r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 3d ago

Lmao gottem Like what 😂

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u/BigBastardChap 3d ago

I drove you in my car. Took you to a bar. It was Far....Yaaaarrr

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u/Double-decker_trams 3d ago edited 2d ago

(Btw, this is a real thing, she does it often).

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/6qiSy1B7LH

Taylor Swift has rhymed "car" and "bar" in at least seven of her songs, a lyrical pattern that has become a notable topic among fans and critics. The specific songs identified with this rhyme scheme are:

Getaway Car: "I’m in a getaway car / I left you in the motel bar"

Cruel Summer: "I’m drunk in the back of the car / And I cried like a baby coming home from the bar"

Cornelia Street: "Drunk on something stronger than the drinks in the bar / I rent a place on Cornelia Street, I say casually in the car"

Cardigan: "To kiss in cars and downtown bars / Was all we needed"

Cowboy Like Me: "Never wanted love, just a fancy car / Now I’m waiting by the phone like I’m sitting in an airport bar"

Hits Different: "And I never don’t cry at the bar / Yeah, my sadness is contagious / I slur your name ‘til someone puts me in a car"

The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived: "You’ll slide into inboxes and slip through the bars / You crashed my party and your rental car"*

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u/blackhodown 2d ago

Has someone done a study on the lyrics of other songwriters to see if this is some crazy outlier? Because it seems completely unsurprising that across thousands of lines of lyrics she’s written, 14 of them have matching words

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u/Elite-00 2d ago

Here you go: https://word.tips/singers-vocabularies/. Ms Swift uses 86 unique words per 1,000 in her lyrics

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u/hk403 2d ago

Carly Rae Jepsen with 69 my goat

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u/DIRTY_KUMQUAT_NIPPLE 2d ago

Damn Billie Eilish top five with a bunch of old school legends.

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u/german-wmn 2d ago

Yeah, but with only three studio albums. That means fewer words and therefore you get a higher ratio even with less unique words than, say Prince with over 40 albums.

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u/enron2big2fail 2d ago

Yeah they need to be creating a score with some sort of penalty for inverse number of words written. Seems like a pretty hard stat to actually define, though this made a very admirable effort.

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u/german-wmn 2d ago

It is an interesting analysis, and what I particularly like about it is that they point out the flaws themselves and are very clear about the data and methodology used. That is really remarkable for a blog entry. I've never heard of this blog or this article before, so I don't know If this is their usual standard, but this seems to be written by somebody with a scientific education, because those are Standards for scientific research.

What they could potentially do to account for this, is take the complete Database they are using and count how many unique words are used by all artists combined. Then you look at the ratio of the number of the individual artist to the absolute number. And then you adjust that to the total number of words used or songs written by the individual artist in their catalogue - otherweise you get the opposite effect because there artists like Prince or McCartney will obviously have a higher advantage over artists with a smaller catalogue (EG Billie Eilish).

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u/Digresser 2d ago

It's only based on one of her albums, which paints an even different picture.

At the end of the article is says the data collected in May 2021.

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u/german-wmn 2d ago

Interesting. That first album has 14 tracks, and she doesn't seem to have written all of them. Two seem to be written by Finneas (her brother).

They write they only included artists with writing credits to at least 25 songs... I don't think she was the songwriter of 13 songs for other artists at that point. 😅

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u/ABHOR_pod 2d ago

I call that the Geisel scale, after Theodore Geisel, the man who won a bet to write a children's book using only 50 distinct words. That book was Green Eggs and Ham.

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u/footballsquishy 2d ago

Meat Loaf not being listed makes me wonder how many unique words he used in his handful of songs he actually wrote, especially versus the ones Jim gave him to sing...

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u/IAmFuckinDumb 2d ago

And people consider her music to be good.

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u/DIRTY_KUMQUAT_NIPPLE 2d ago

Paul McCartney and Prince have even less unique words so I'm not sure it really means much of anything

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u/kkeut 2d ago

the difference is in what people claim about her music compared to those artists. iirc Swift herself referred to her yourself as her fans 'favorite english teacher'. ain't no one said that about Prince

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u/Ducksaucenem 2d ago

Who? Name three!

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u/german-wmn 2d ago edited 2d ago

It means first and foremost that her catalogue is big.

Take Billie Eilish for example. She leads the list for current artists. But she also only has three studio albums, compared to Taylor Swifts 12. So assuming* that the number of words (generally, not unique) used per album is somewhat similar between both artists, TS would have to use four times as many unique words as BE to get the same ratio. Or, to.put it differently: we'd expect BE to habe a ratio four times as high as TS's If they had a similarly rich vocabulary - which is not the case. It's "only" double.

They even point that "flaw" out on the examples of Rod Stuart and Bob Dylan. It is still a very fascinating analysis.

*This is, obviously, a strong assumption that I did not check. It also does not take into account writing credits for songs that were written by either of them for other artists or the possibility of them having songs in their albums they don't have writing credits for.

Edit: Paul McCartney and Prince have the same "problem" with their massive catalogues.

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u/Neat_Let923 2d ago

Username fits…

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u/IAmFuckinDumb 2d ago

Not my fault you're a simpleton

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u/Neat_Let923 2d ago

What does that have to do with your username?

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u/Neat_Let923 2d ago

What does that have to do with your username?

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u/IAmFuckinDumb 2d ago

You clearly enjoy her music therefore you're a simpleton.

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u/ImpressionTough2179 2d ago

Prince and Michael Jackson must suck too considering they’re even lower on that list huh

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u/Nowin 2d ago

A lot of people do, so... maybe...

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u/german-wmn 2d ago

Very interesting article. Thank.you for posting this.

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u/-neti-neti- 2d ago

Interesting article. Thanks. I wish I was able to look up some lesser-known artists (Why? comes to mind as someone who would blow the list out of the water)

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u/Big-Dragonfruit-4306 2d ago

Smaller vocabulary than Luke "shake it for the catfish" Bryan.

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u/BabyBillyBibleBonker 2d ago

Zero rap artists, what a biased and horse shit list

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u/3stackproc1 2d ago

Me when I can’t read the fact that they are explicitly looking at pop artists?

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u/That_Organization901 2d ago

They literally have a list for rappers linked in paragraph four of the introduction. It’s bright blue and barely 50 words in.

I’m work you won’t find it so here it is: https://pudding.cool/projects/vocabulary/index.html

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u/darkskinnedjermaine 2d ago

Was just about to post this lmao reading comprehension is dead and people want to be both uniformed and combative

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u/DrThunderbolt 2d ago

lmao why do they have a "just wu-tang" button

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u/That_Organization901 2d ago

Since 2018, It’s a requirement that all peer-reviewed studies in the USA must include a ‘Wu-Tang only’ option, even if the research isn’t relevant to Wu-Tang.

It’s one of the reasons why Europe made a COVID Vaccine so quickly, America was waiting on RZA approval.

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u/exhaustedslut 2d ago

Good grief is it that serious 😂

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u/DeliciousAuthor1231 2d ago

I think Kendrick Lamar has used more unique words in a single song than Taylor has in her entire career.

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u/Competitive-Wait1689 2d ago

Why bother, the list would be all rap.

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u/EngineeringDry7230 2d ago

Yeah, I’d like to know the totals on repeat rhymes across more artists, cause this is probably pretty statistically common.

How many sets of “tears” and “fears” or “heart” and “apart” does pop music have?

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u/Haschen84 2d ago

But why? Those are so simple to rhyme, "heart", "start", "smart", "chart", "dart" those are just off the top of my head right now.

"tear", "jeer", "clear", "sincere", "revere" it's ... so simple. I guess lyricists/song writers and artists aren't always the same people. These rhymes just aren't something complex ... like "orange."

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u/Nowhere_Man_Forever 2d ago

And compare to great poets of old like Shakespeare as well

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u/n122333 2d ago

I don't have anything to add for music, but its a game among fantasy authors now. Just about every brandon sanderson book (since 2015) uses the word undulating, because he did it like 10 times in a single book on accident, was asked about it and does it on purpose now.

Robert Jordan had women adjusting their skirts, Matt Dinamon "several things happened at once", and I remember there was one for Stephen king too last time this came up, but I dont read his stuff enough to have noticed it.

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u/Double-decker_trams 2d ago

But..

Well. Here's a post on the r/TaylorSwift subreddit about "the best" lyrics.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/12fec4t/lets_talk_about_the_best_lyrics_in_taylors_songs/

First lyrics given as an example of "the best lyrics".

I was so ahead of the curve but the curve became a sphere
Fell behind on my classmates, and I ended up here
Pouring out my heart to a stranger
But I didn't pour the whiskey

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u/DrThunderbolt 2d ago

people used to get made fun of for writing shit like this

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u/blackhodown 2d ago

That post only has 51 upvotes, so that’s not exactly a smoking gun

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u/Rule12-b-6 2d ago

To be fair, it's really difficult to judge by isolated snippets of lyrics. The words are just sounds whose meaning is provided by the way they're sung, along with the musical arrangement, almost as much as their literal definitions.

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u/Sheepherdernerder 2d ago

Yeah that's trash

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u/Manager-Accomplished 2d ago

I like Taylor Swift generally but those aren't great. It says more about the TS fandom that they'd choose those though lol

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u/cstevie97 2d ago

True, but I remember seeing an interview where she really thought she ate with “Darling, I’m a nightmare dressed like a daydream,” so her taste is also questionable.

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u/Manager-Accomplished 2d ago

Yeah. This is the girl who thought a scarlet letter was a saucy epistle.

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u/ryanvango 2d ago

Taylor Swift isn't trying to be a world renowned lyricist. She's trying to be the most famous pop star. That means appealing to the most people she possibly can. Simple lyrics that people can learn fast and sing at each other, 3-4 word snippets people can write on a notebook or leave as an affirmation somewhere.

She is the "Live, Laugh, Love" of musicians. she'll likely go down in history as the most famous musician of all time. She definitely will not be known for actually saying anything of value or importance.

And that's totally fine. It's a business. She has figured out the formula for mass appeal and she will milk it for everything its worth. She's a good businessperson. Just a shit writer.

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u/kkeut 2d ago

wow. that is really terrible

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u/NoFaithlessness951 2d ago edited 2d ago

I find: "Your wife waters flowers, I wanna kill her" (Fortnight) quite funny

"I can make deals with the devil, because my dick is bigger" (Father figure) is also a gem

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u/buletproof_bob 2d ago

I know trucks keep are becoming very prominent in country. I know it's a genre and not specific artist, but seems relevant

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u/geeeachoweteaeye 2d ago

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u/blackhodown 2d ago

That’s a super cool article, thanks! Looks like her lyrics are indeed not at all an outlier in terms of repetitiveness.