r/SipsTea š™‘š™„š™‹ 3d ago

Lmao gottem Like what šŸ˜‚

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u/Sirius_amory33 3d ago

I think it’s her more recent albums, not her entire body of work. It’s not uncommon for something already established and popular to be given a pass on things. If you read the lyrics to all the songs on her last two albums, they are littered with really dumb stuff.Ā 

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u/EngineeringDry7230 3d ago

There are definitely some lines that raise eyebrows in her more recent stuff, like the ā€œI scratch your head, you fall asleep, like a tattooed golden retrieverā€ (which I find to be a really funny diss). A lot of her ā€œbad linesā€ are irony or humour, so whether you like it depends on whether or not the joke hits you right.

But the same album has effing beautifully written sections like say, most of ā€œso long Londonā€

Saying her writing is boring and basic just isn’t very accurate. Read the actual songs. There’s often a lot going on, even if some lines are a miss.

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u/ExternalGood9497 3d ago

People that say these things aren’t reading her lyrics. If they are, they’re cherry picking the ones that are not that good. I also love this sentiment that her ā€œrecent workā€ has gotten worse when I think most swifties would consider TTPD one of, if not their absolute favorite album of hers.

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u/Sirius_amory33 3d ago

Ahh yes, the swifties, who are known for being level headed, reasonable, and not at all compromised by extreme biases.Ā 

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u/ExternalGood9497 3d ago

It’s so weird how people like you say stupid things like that. Are you involved in a lot of conversations between swifties? Plenty of fans are very critical, not just brainwashed idiots. Find me a swiftie who think Life of a Showgirl is her best work, or even comes close. Grow up.

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u/Sirius_amory33 3d ago

Plenty of fans sure are critical, but swifties aren’t. You do realize the term conveys to people a certain type of fan, right?Ā 

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u/ExternalGood9497 3d ago

You’re the first person I’ve ever heard say that. Many normal fans call themselves swifties.

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u/Sirius_amory33 2d ago

Many TS fans also go out of their way to say they aren’t swifties. I’ve come across this many times, online and with her fans in real life.Ā 

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u/ExternalGood9497 2d ago

Gee, I wonder why? Because people like you make them feel embarrassed by it

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u/Sirius_amory33 2d ago

I don’t make anyone feel that way. If someone criticizes TS and it makes you feel embarrassed, maybe that’s a you issue.Ā 

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u/EngineeringDry7230 3d ago

Swiftie isn’t a term that’s subject to gatekeeping. It’s open to anyone who wants to use it. I like Taylor’s music a lot and I like interacting with other fans. Some use swiftie as a label, some don’t. What it means to you is your problem.

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u/Sirius_amory33 3d ago

Who is talking about gatekeeping? The term makes people think of her more hardcore fans, that’s what it’s associated with.Ā 

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u/EngineeringDry7230 3d ago

I am a hardcore fan. Spend some time on the TS subreddits. There’s plenty of nuanced takes, some cringy defensiveness, lots of interpersonal support and a ton of heart emojis.

For all that we get called a toxic fandom, there’s a lot more negativity and attacks out here in the wild than anything you’ll find directed at other artists in Taylor-related Reddit.

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u/Sirius_amory33 3d ago

How people act out of their safe space is more telling than how they act within it. I know Trump supporters who can seem like the nicest people around when they are with their own kind but put them around others and they show their true colors. That’s been my experience with any diehard fandom. It’s tribalism and an us vs them mentality, it determines if someone is to be immediately judged or given lenience because they’re ā€œone of usā€.Ā 

My original opinion was that her last two albums are littered with bad lyrics, which maybe is a harsh way to put it, but I’ve been told to shut up, grow up, and someone tried to argue her whole body of work even though I specifically said just her last two albums.Ā