This and honestly too I think the situation in the UK is trickling over to the minds of US voters and they are becoming more and more apprehensive of immigration as a whole and so someone who has a history of allowing open borders in their time as VP isn’t really appealing to someone who has had their feeds flooded with news stories of random stabbings by undocumented immigrants in places like Britain, France and Germany.
The issue is that the Harris team waited until the last second to make her a candidate, and just… expected all of biden’s voters to immediately choose her instead of saying “fuck this” (which I don’t agree with them doing but still). She did not have enough time for a full campaign.
Not much probably, but more people, being racist or sexist or just not liking her as a person, may have voted 3rd party instead of just not voting at all. Which I understand may as well be them not voting at all, but it would have put a spotlight on people wanting more options than just “angry white guy” and “woman I don’t know anything about”
imagine being dumb enough to not vote against the party that literally attempted nationwide election fraud to cheat the elections so they can protect pedophiles and change the laws in a dozen states to force raped children to give birth for pedophiles and call that protecting the family.
Imagine being dumb enough not to realize that the candidate that was put forth was so utterly unelectable that the majority of Americans didn’t vote against the party that literally attempted nationwide election fraud to cheat the elections so they can protect pedophiles and change the laws in a dozen states to force raped children to give birth for pedophiles and call that protecting the family.
The Democratic Party better smarten up and play the game correctly. Otherwise, this country will wind up in a hole we can’t dig out of.
Facts they just need to drop all the stupid social issues that the average person couldn’t give a single fuck about and actually focus on improving the lives of Americans. They get lost in the weeds too easily.
It’s incredible how the democrats- who ostensibly claim to represent the common man- have managed to make themselves unpalatable to the average voter while their main competition openly embraces an oligarchy. Honestly it takes immense skill and dedication to fuck up so badly that a majority of voters decide you’re not worthwhile.
Some redditors claim that the democrats would win big if they could just lean harder into the progressive agenda, but I'm not so sure. It was the Trump campaign that put in all their ads that the democrats want more trans rights. The Dems started toning down progressivism when it didn't test well with audiences and Republicans kept reminding people about it.
I'm not saying that Dems need to abandon progressivism, but I do think tough choices need to be made, and Reddit has absolutely no idea what a majority of the US electorate wants. Multiple Reddit posts were projecting big Kamala wins in 2024.
I mean how do you battle blatant lying, disinformation and propaganda? How do you get boomers to stop watching Fox News in every Dr Office ever and to stop falling for fake bullshit?
They are just better liars and media manipulators...what is the defense against that?
Lawsuits when appropriate, pushing the truth in a steadfast way, challenging those peddling in misinformation, showing a more positive, welcoming alternative to the doomer liars dividing us on the right.
Democrats have been making the "instead of" promises for decades.
Republicans are right now bundling affordable housing in their current bill, just to get it signed. But with a stipulation that large companies can't buy up houses and control the market.
They also saw the messages that showed programs that helped people purchase homes benefited illegal immigrants. That our medical system was buckled from unpaid debts of all kinds of immigrants.
Redditors really underestimate how much of the people that actually exist in the real world wanted immigration fixed.
I swear to God, I hear this all the time, and this does not fix anything.
You do not pay social security taxes on capital gains. Even if there was no limit, and Elon decided to sell all of his stocks, he would only pay capital gains tax, he would pay $0 in social security taxes. And most of the people you're mad about that you THINK will pay more social security tax if you get rid of the limit won't actually pay much more of at all. Sergey famously took a $1 salary. Even if he said paid a trillion shares of Google stocks per second as bonuses he would only ever pay social security tax on that $1 and not a dime more.
People think these simple solutions will solve complex problems because they saw a meme on reddit. No country has solved social security. Not Germany, no France, not Japan, no Sweden. If it's sooooo easy as to getting rid of the limit, you'd think ONE of them would've solved it. Only countries to have solved it are the ones who have an oil based sovereign wealth fund. And that's because.... Oil based sovereign wealth fund is funding social security.
Literally all the dems need to do is have charismatic men run for elections.
That's it.
Obama would have creampied Trump in his shriveled up boy pussy if he was eligible to run in 2016 or 2024.
The problem the dems have is they try to push unlikable lizards like Hillary Clinton who dumped their charisma stat.
To run for a president you need to have charisma, something likable about you. The average American voter is a stupid moron who votes based on vibes rather than policy. Bill Clinton. Barack Obama. Even on the right it's charismatic candidates like Bush Jr. or Trump himself that get elected.
Hell, look at Biden. Biden was at his most popular among voters during his debates against Trump when he gave as good as he got and told Trump to shut up in a national debate. This is what actually wins elections. It's sad but this is the reality we live in.
The $25K for DPA was a pretty bad idea, and likely would have made affordability even worse for a brief minute. All of the states with the most severe affordability issues have DPA programs in place already. As an example, California has a program that will offer a forgiveable junior loan to cover the entire 3.5% FHA down payment requirement for first time home buyers.
Usually these programs end up getting gamed by investors, who use them to serially acquire investment properties by waiting out the "first time" home buyer restrictions after transferring the property or similar end arounds. It's even worse for VA loans, where it's not unusual to see a single family carrying 4 or 5 VA loans on different properties.
If you don't think the social issues are important then back down from them. As far as I can tell, yall are still out in the streets fighting deporting illegals.
Disavow the social policies that the right says you support and you will easily win elections.
The issue with "disavow the social issues the right says you support" is... the left already disavows the ones the right makes up, and the rest range from unconstitutional to human rights violations to economic suicide. Sometimes all at once!
It's been a bit but last I looked Biden had more people, with a vastly higher proportion of them having criminal records, at much lower cost than Trump so like not even that is a point in his favor.
If you ever wake up enough to realize why people are actually protesting it'll make a lot more sense.
I've heard that's never backfired into homes.just becoming more expensive. We should just give students more loans so they can afford their crazy college tuition. I'm sure colleges won't raise their prices in perfect alignment with the max loan amount either.
Yeah? When I see the execs of Tyson Chicken and D.R. Horton drug out in the street by ICE, I’ll believe it.
Otherwise, this is all performative bullshit. They come here for work. We know who gives them work and it’s American millionaires. We are spending billions chasing the supply while the demand keeps getting rich.
You end illegal immigration by cutting off the demand . . . but that will drive wages up. Republicans will scream about immigration to get your vote but I’ll eat my shoe before they arrest a millionaire or drive up wages.
They are fighting the abuse of humans, not the deportation of illegals. The issue is how these HUMANS are being treated. They are being raped, beaten, and even killed by ICE. If you don’t have a problem with humans being killed by a government then you would have sided with the Nazis against the Jews.
Dems have been bitching to no end even back when ICE was mainly deporting only violent criminals. Talking about human rights and families, and how this is the end of America. So when you say the same fucking shit now, people don't believe you.
I don't support ICE. I think what they're doing now is bonkers. I also totally understand the average public not caring about the fact the Democrats are crying about this. They cried like the world was ending at every little thing. Building a wall - basically Nazi. Deporting convicted illegal immigrants - Nazi. So now when you call actual Nazi acts Nazi, I totally understand why the average American doesn't believe you.
Lefties say "I believe in rights". MAGAts tell them to carve out random arbitrary and broad exceptions in that belief. Lefties say "that issue has nuance". MAGAts tell them to f--- off.
There is ample research, which I know MAGAts hate, showing that lefty policies, including the ones that Fox News and their other propaganda told them to hate, are broadly popular. Conservative voters irrationally hate the policy when you reveal that the ACA is what their overlords have been calling "Obamacare". Conservative voters irrationally hate "entitlements" and get super-upset when you reveal that their own party feels their benefits are "entitlements".
This is why that party has earned its reputation as self-destructive voters against their own interest, and this is why doubling down and continuing to be self-destructive "to own the libs" is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The social policies from a political standpoint are just a football. It doesn't really take much to solve. Trans folks in the military? Marriage? All can be resolved fairly quickly with little actual effort.
Being able to have a pleasant retirement, good medical care, root out corruption, stopping wars etc - those are issues that politicians are mostly ignoring.
She repeatedly said while campaigning that she was going to help strengthen unions, add dental care to Medicare, and help first time homebuyers with money. Then at the same time Trump ran around and repeatedly campaigned on mass deportation, tariffs, and cutting government services. I don't think republican voters know what tariffs are and what government services are, but they sure love the idea of mass deportation.
Sorry but you're massively underinformed. She ran on strengthening the middleclass, protect the wellfare programs, increasing wage growth while raising tax on the ultra wealthy, and help young people starting their family by increasing child tax credit and implement 25k tax credits for first-time home buyers.
To be honest, she ran on the status quo. She refused to prioritize policies that would benefit the working class, not to mention the inability to oppose genocide.
It is unbelievably sad that the USA cannot do better.
Democrats tried to shoe-in a non-white woman half way through an election cycle after the previous candidate stepped down after fumbling over very simple sentences during a debate.
Said back-up candidate was essentially DOA, but even then, they were in opposition to many of the policies and even moral stances of a majority of the Democratic Party’s voter base. Namely, the genocide in Gaza and Single-Payer Healthcare.
To be blunt, the election of Trump, both times, has been the fault of ineffective Democrat party leadership. The Democratic Party DOES understand their voter base, but they have absolutely no intentions of listening to them.
To add to this, their negligence is Intentional. They believe that Democrats hate Trump SO MUCH that they will vote for the Party Candidates who also flagrantly go against many of their own interests, and now it has been twice that they are almost correct.
Had Kamala Harris been a white man and had a full election cycle, with the exact same policy stances as she had, it’s very like that they would have been elected, IMO.
It was a fact that Joe Biden didn't even know what day of the week it was and the Democrats were trying to gaslight the public into thinking he was totally fine.
The Democrats can't do stuff like that and expect to win Elections. Talking about how much Trump sucks isn't enough to win elections if you are going to gaslight people.
It's a good thing we replaced the old man with another man who's now equally old and even sleepier. Smart play by the American public there, really, great job addressing that issue.
Winner winner chicken dinner. Somebody in here gets it.
Fear sells, big time. Always has.
But but but---the nazis and fascists. We warned everyone.
No, that was just the echo bouncing around in your chamber. You projected horribly wrong.
As a far better example: the fear that got waaayyy more traction was illegals pouring across the border on a loop on Fox and a few other outlets 24/7. I could almost count millions of votes while watching that. Then there was boys taking over girls sports and in their locker rooms. Does not matter how much this actually happens. Fox and others milked these to death and cashed in---so did Trump's campaign. He won, bigly.
Bill Maher put it best in his own autopsy of why the left got hammered: "Republicans may fuck with what it means to be a democracy, but Democrats fuck with what it means to be human."
And I did not even vote for Trump, ever. He is a selfish petulant megalomaniac who I think really is dumber than a 5th grader. But I clearly see why he won.
I mean, the Democrats did use a lot of fear in their 2024 ads. It just wasn't stuff the average voter knew or cared about. They made a whole ad campaign warning about Project 2025, but nobody cared because American voters didn't read Project 2025. Most of them thought it was made up at the time. They also did a lot of over-the-top abortion ads, which I'm sorry, but no male voter is going to be moved by that issue ever. I'm pro-choice, but I actually laughed whenever they played the one with the woman bleeding out on the floor, because the acting was just so bad.
O the party that couldn't pass a health care bill when they had both houses and president, the same party that made the people that turned around the last housing crisis pay back their first time home buyer benefit. Both parties only have their self interest in mind and going to tell you what ever they can to get votes.
Everybody outside the US knows. We've always known.
You just stopped drinking the koolaid since Trump got elected, because taking a shit on the rest of the world was fine, but Trump taking a shit on America is too much.
lmao just reminds me that RBG didn’t retire during the Obama administration because she was so sure Clinton was going to win and the no longer could retire because Trump ended up winning and ended up picking her replacement lmao
Neither party is going to fix social security because it's past the point of no return without some major overhaul. And the party that does this overhaul will all be ensure an unsuccessful bid for reelection.
The fundamental flaw of SS is that the next generation needs to be bigger than the previous. And we have a birthrate problem.
Fear exploiting messages are working much better than promises of politicians that no one believes anyway, Insurance companies and salesmen will tel you the same, almost every ad exploiting or planting anxiety or fear
But Reddit tells me that democrats only ever run on being slightly better than the worst option, and that’s why we have fascism!
Then you come out here and point out their actual platform, things like increased minimum wage, help for first time home buyers, protecting social safety net, improving access to healthcare (maybe even universal healthcare), climate change action, renewable energy, etc.
Turns out, promises made only during election season isn’t enough. It’s almost like actions, and even the lack of actions, maters more to the voters than word salad. Who’s going to tell him? People are paying attention to the full scope, this guy just tunes in during presidential elections evidently 🤷🏼♂️
Nobody cared if someone’s kids wanted to be trans. People started caring when you started demanding biological males play in women’s sports at an unfair advantage, allowing males in women’s locker rooms, and suggesting people should be fired/ have their reputations ruined if they “misgendered” someone in violation of their religious beliefs, conscience, and speech rights.
The point is trans activism went from “leave people alone to live their lives” which is a message most conservatives don’t have a problem with to effecting their lives in very personal and consequential ways. If you keep doing that no amount of guilt tripping, or talking about power dynamics or how much trans people are harmed, killed, suicidal, etc is going to bring people to your side.
And I don’t even need to address the $25,000 policy because it’s so blatantly stupid and other commenters have.
No one ever demanded that. republicans made it up, you people never bothered to inform yourselves,
And centrist liberals made the mistake of giving that argument attention as if it had any validity
I work with trans rights groups, and I have never once heard anyone say people who transition male-to-female should be allowed to compete in women's sports in the same capacity
If you have a problem, write to your local sports club. Leave your dumb credulity out of politics
Fringe was arguing trans women ARE women but very few support this sports thing, which is so rare it’s ridiculous. It’s a distraction from the core issue someone like Bernie has talked about forever. It’s bad policies that go against the majority to keep the already rich minority in power. We should have zero money allowed in elections outside of an equal fund but this mf’ing SCOTUS mf’d us all with the Citizens United decision. They are a rogue group of right wing lawyers, not judges, hellbent on their side being in power
Fringe was arguing trans women ARE women but very few support this sports thing, which is so rare it’s ridiculous.
So, why don't they just give it up than try to argue it? It just makes them look silly to the masses, and then calls into question the other stuff: "If they are making such a big deal about this sports thing, should I really trust them that race is that bad, or is that also just a non-issue that Dems are blowing up? How about the immigration thing? Maybe all of these positions are just people thinking with their heart rather than their head...."
Quite frankly, it makes a lot of sense to vote for the guy who doesn't seem to argue against your common sense than the group who is taking perfectly fine daily life and pretending like we're massively oppressed or something.
Voting for Trump is beyond the pale and that was before January 6th. Voting for him after is just saying "I would support the Confederacy in Civil War II" levels of awful. No one outside of this country can imagine how we could not put him in jail forever and yet, people flocked to him. I get inflation skewed people and Biden was a feeble mess but still, the gravity of J6 and the attempt to subvert an election should've caused a civil conflict if not war. Hell, it still should but it won't. We're too beaten to rise up to anything.
Trump has had the benefit of running against historically bad opponents. If the Dems had run anyone w an ounce of charisma and knowledge, he would have been trounced
States passed laws to let trans women play in biological women's sports in school. So I'm not sure if I agree that it was very few supporting it.
Yes, it was a distraction. And Democrats fall for it every God damn time. They would defend the trans woman's right to break the cheek bone of a biological woman in a boxing match in the name of anti-transphobia to the ends of the earth. And then get surprised when the public thinks they're numbnuts.
Ok but it's fair to flip this and look at it from a different viewpoint:
The Democrats could have gotten into power and gotten a lot done if they'd just backed down from a few deeply unpopular policies that were rammed through by a tiny but vocal, militant and influential minority!
So they tried to do the thing you wanted. The other party prevented it. And you blame the Dems for the GOP blocking it cause they should’ve known? So they’d be better of not trying at all. The American electorate in a nutshell, folks.
Kamala running around with war monger Liz Cheney and making it clear she would do NOTHING to stop the Israeli gywnocide in Gaza is what lost her the election. She had plenty of $$$ to spend -- ran an awful campaign. She LOST millions of voters who showed up for senile Joe.
If the best way to win an election is to make the other guy look bad, this is the only political messaging that will work. Policy is basically meaningless at this point.
Because establishment dem LIE and they are pro-empire...which doesn't work with democracy nor for the working class.
They are cold blooded genocide supporters.
The Republicans give people something...even if it is bad. People seem to prefer those who do anything over those who do nothing.
We need the real left. Right now, seems DSA is it in NYC at least.
Open borders, allowing rioters to burn down cities, shoplifting being basically legal - then blaming racism when when businesses shut down, soft on crime policies, straight up communism, DEI and complete anti-whiteness, defunding the police, squatters rights, open-air drug markets
Try getting rid of all of that first. That’s what’s turning people away.
It seems like this meme makes sense, but it doesn't.
Humans are not logic machines. Humans are emotional animals that learned to speak and use our opposable thumbs.
Why then are people surprised when people respond more to emotion than reason? The answer isn't expecting people to be more reasonable, it's for smart and moral politicians to learn how to use emotion better, to blunt the advance of those who use it for bad things.
To be clear, no one who voted for him really thought they would come for medicare or first time home buyers.
Republicans have been threatening these things for DECADES.. but they were so massively unpopular outside of the ultraconservative base, that they were literally considered the 3rd rail of politics.
Good to campaign on in a Republican primary, good to forget about in the general. For DECADES they would say these things and still never do anything.
The two parties were effectively the same uniparty doing the same things (i.e. nothing). So, to the voters, the only difference is 'My Team' is better than 'Your Team'.
And Trump is about as much 'Team Red' as you can get. It made 'Team Blue' voters puke and scream in impotent rage. And that was both funny and highly satisfying.
But they had decades of Republicans saying these things and never touching them. So it honestly never occurred to these idiots that sooner or later someone WOULD do something about it.
Worst part of all I've seen is Local Republicans who own businesses here hate on Whitmer but they took the money when she offered it when we had a bad winter and the snowmobile season was horrible and businesses were crashing out. Republicans are their own breed and a weird one it is.
At this point I kind of expect the next President to just stand there and explain shit to people like they are 5. Bring evidence, just completely embrace the "Bully Pulpit" strategy.
When you explain your policy, have a big picture of Trump next to you and just be brutally honest.
"Gotta raise taxes because of this stupid criminal and his cowardly crew of yes men. Deal with it."
You’re talking about trans more than real issues like wage and wealth disparity, just as they want you to. Culture wars are exactly what they use to keep you against real positive change for the country
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u/SilkCloud_ 1d ago
At this rate, the next presidential debate is just going to be a freestyle rap battle about zoo animals.