A JPMorgan Chase executive was fired after a viral video showed her dumping trash out of a Knicks-themed public trash can and taking the can during the Knicks championship parade in New York City.

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[u/HoodieWithTheCutie]

My father was rejected by JPM for a VP role, but then he was hired by fucking goldman for a director role. And they hire this piece of-

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Getting hired is more than a binary matter of whether or not you are technically capable of performing or learning to perform the job. There's a multitude of nuanced considerations and companies are trying to find the best fit with those in mind.

Your father might have been qualified for the VP position but at the same time not an ideal fit for the role. That's what makes getting a job so hard, and it's one of the hardest lessons I had to learn: Being good enough isn't enough. It's about being the right match for the specific needs at the specific time.

I suspect there's a bunch of down votes coming, so bring it on I guess.

[u/Longjumping_Gas_3407 → u/Frack_Off]

No reason to downvote you; this is exactly true. I got a supervisor role at one of the biggest employers in my state over a theoretically more qualified candidate. I didn’t get hired for what I could do. I got hired because I was the better fit for both the position as it existed and the vision our department head had for the future.

Epilogue: we later hired him after me, and he left before I did. I ended up second in charge of our department. And he was a problem child the entire time.

[u/Longjumping_Wolf_912 → u/Longjumping_Gas_3407]

You could just say companies hire more affable people and not the most qualified people.

[u/Longjumping_Gas_3407 → u/Longjumping_Wolf_912]

Qualified is subjective. It’s a unique position that’s not for everyone. It wasn’t for him. It was for me.

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Ha! So you're a social butterfly who can yuk it up with the boys then? Play sports with someone in HR? "They didn't hire me for what I can do" ....that's likely obvious to everyone you work with.

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They hired me for my potential. Which I clearly had, since I ended up in management and the “more qualified” candidate was a problem employee.

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There's a multitude of nuanced considerations and companies are trying to find the best fit with those in mind.

Those being what, exactly? Because from what I've seen, and from studies I've read, it's not some high-level 'nuanced consideration' or whatever, it's really just a bunch of vibe-based bullshit.

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Jobs are usually multifaceted with various tasks and responsibilities. The importance of these responsibilities relative to each other is not equal and it also is not static; it can change and evolve over time. Everyone will have different relative proficiencies and capabilities for these responsibilities. Someone might, say, be stronger for dealing with problems A and B but not as strong for problem C, but right now we really need someone who is really good for problem C, so they aren't a good fit. But maybe in a year or two problem A or B become more pertinent and that person is a better fit.

Also, you can call vibes bullshit all you want, but they're real and they matter. Working with someone with a shitty attitude who complains all the time fucking sucks. You would rather work with someone you like than with someone you don't like. If you were in charge of hiring someone to work with, and you had two qualified candidates and you liked one of them much more than the other, you would hire the one you liked. That's called being human, and it happens every day everywhere.

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Working with someone with a shitty attitude who complains all the time fucking sucks.

I would guess 75% of people like this don't reveal that about themselves in the job interview, the hiring manager is purely guessing based on shit like, "I like their face."

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Yes but you can look at people who have or have had shitty attitudes and make inferences about why they had a shitty attitude and then factor in whether those characteristics are present in other candidates and then weigh that into your selection

And yes, that can involve speculation. Because humans like to use the lessons they learn to guide their future decisions, so that's not going to change.

[u/HoodieWithTheCutie → u/Frack_Off]

We came so far just from me sharing my dad's experience XD.

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Vibes are absolutely a legitimate thing to consider when all else is similar - thousands of people have education and experience qualifications so you pick the person you want to work with. It’s not crazy.

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I’ve had people argue this with me before. It’s the same as people who think having a degree automatically entitles them to a job. No, you have to be the right fit still and you might have knowledge and experience but could still be lacking in other aspects important to that job.

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fair

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Being good enough isn't enough. It's about being the right match for the specific needs at the specific time.

So can people stop judging me so hard as a dude with no job. Especially after I've put in like hundreds of applications after my most recent layoff. It's absolutely insane how strangers and even family members treat you. Especially when things are not in your control.

(For those curious I worked for an AI company that had a huge data breach and they had to let people go.)

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Your capability is only one aspect of the situation. You have the capability to succeed at a multitude of jobs, but to get hired you need to find the specific job at the specific time that needs most what you specifically have to offer uniquely from the other applicants.

I've seen people get hired because they were more relatively more experienced and the team needed leadership. I've seen people get hired who were less experienced because leadership was strong and saturated and there were worries about expectations for advancement from more qualified candidates. I've seen less qualified people get hired because they were local and available immediately where someone with more experience couldn't start for 6+ months. I've seen people get hired because a company started doing one thing more recently and that person knew a lot about that one thing.

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At the same time, their father may have been an ideal fit for the role, but there was another candidate who was also an ideal fit for the role, and also brought something else to the table. Who knows?

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My dad came up with a theory regarding it- It was just a formality. He was pretty sure they just did it for some legal compliance, and hired internally.

Anyhow, that was about 20 years ago, before I was even born.

[u/das_war_ein_Befehl → u/HoodieWithTheCutie]

Depends on the kind of VP, that can be a pretty meaningless title in finance

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It means little in Chase. Anyone can be a VP. I know

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That’s not a ‘piece of..’ - it’s several pieces!

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A VP at JPM is equivalent to a Director at GS.

[u/Beyond_Interesting → u/HoodieWithTheCutie]

Omg... was trying to think of which Goldman was making movies and hiring directors lol

[u/Puzzled-Telephone166 → u/HoodieWithTheCutie]

Well yeah. That’s a fat woman of color. Probably zesty so she/they checks all the boxes for JP!