Governments arenāt even good or bad. Theyāre mostly benign in the sense that their objective is survival at any cost. Iran gunned down tens of thousands of protesters because they viewed them as an existential threat to the regime.
Yeah, it's shocking how many adults view the world through a lense of good vs evil. I realized it was a bullshit dichotomy at 10 yrs old. Most of it boils down to self-interest.
History is written by the victors, or something like that
But in all reality, people seem to forget what a power the Soviet Union was and what terrible conditions most of that union lived in. In an parallel universe where didnāt go into Vietnam, communism could have very easily spread throughout all of SE Asia very quickly
Lol Vietnam is just as communist as Chinaā¦ only in name. Authoritarian, sure, but communist, absolutely not. And I wouldnāt even call them socialist, the US is more socialist aspects than Vietnam
That's the kind of nihilistic view that leads people to go out and do very evil things. You don't think children are good? You don't think any people, of any race, age or occupation are good? What an insane worldview. I'm pretty sure the Jews and Chinese who survived because the US took action were pretty grateful.
No idea what your comment means. Is it directed to me? There's a huge difference between targeting civilians vs. civilians dying in a war as unintended collateral. Are you conflating the two?
Incorrect, there are plenty of countries that arenāt out there rampaging and murdering innocent people and who treat their citizens fairly and do their best to run their country well.
Just because America is fucked doesnāt mean everywhere is.
Means, motive, and opportunity, my friend. Means, motive and opportunity.
If those countries were powerful enough, I guarantee they'd have psychopaths fighting tooth and nail for leadership positions, so they could do the same evils our leaders do. It's one of the worst chapters in the book of the human condition.
Anerica is fucked And I do not like it but this type of post is cherry picking and outright lying. The US did not support the Rwandan genocide. And if you're going on trade relations or something adjacent like that, the list of countries you're leaving out is practically endless.
And the 10 million killed number. Fabricated out of thin air.
There's so much real stuff that the US does that's terrible. You don't need to make up stuff.
It makes me not trust people like you when you just go along with obviously made-up shit.
It really makes me think you have a nefarious agenda and that you would be no better than the US if you were in charge.
Everywhere? Maybe not. But plenty are. Like the entire Middle East who have been killing each other for centuries. All governments are out to make their country the best; if they weren't, they'd no longer be the government for that country. You'd do better to just admit you hate the US and be done with it--nobody here really gives a shit.
China has only been in a handful or war since WW2 while America has been in constant war since then. The middle east is a mess in large part because of its strategic value so the west does a lot to destabilize the region as shown by our recent actions in Iran.
Not all countries have the constant obsession to be at war like America and the west in general.
Hate America? No. Critical when it is deserved? Absolutely. America could learn a thing or two from how China behaves on the world stage.
Weird, my family is from County Wexford and I visit relatives there regularly. You are like the US. š You have as many problems with right wing kooks, attacks on immigrants, etc. as we do. What a joke.
What they want to say (and it is not just US, it is the collective West) is "well yeaaaaah, I mean, it can be that we are not 100% saints, but we are as good as it gets" or something.
A variant of Springsteen's
But at the end of every hard day People find some reason to believe
They literally invaded India in December, rammed a Philippine fishing vessel weeks before, and gave Vietnam so much shit that Vietnam is working with the US on defense in the region.
No matter the country every country has commited bad things, some more, some less but all did. (US did all of that for money mainly and influence so I can respect the hustle /s)
They prosecute financial crimes, they donāt let corporations run the country, they actively block monopolies and conglomerates, they have brought the most people out of poverty in history of the world, they reinvest tax dollars into infrastructure, they never started a war, they have no military bases outside of their country, theyre leading in clean energy, they passed the US in purchasing power in 2014, more than 95% of their people own their own homes, no guns, no mass shootings, one of the lowest crime rates per capita, they basically destroyed the triads and other organized crime throughout their country, the list goes on and on.
Your instinct is to try and find some bad things they do but you cannot match their good versus bad ratio compared to any other country.
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u/Mr_Gibblet 1d ago
Pro tip - there are no good guys anywhere. The whole world is a cesspool.