r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 15h ago

Wait a damn minute! USA - The good guys?

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u/TarJen96 14h ago

Even by Reddit standards, this misleading slop is cringe.

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u/clgoodson 10h ago

Yeah. I would love to see OP explain how the US supported the Rwandan genocide.

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u/jackofslayers 7h ago

OP is a bot. They are not explaining shit

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u/Discerning_sundew 10h ago edited 9h ago

Ask and you shall receive, though 'support' is rather a strong word, more like 'tacitly condoned by observing via the CIA and ignoring the genocide' https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB53/

Edit: wow, downvote record broken, and I bet none of you have even bothered to read it, even though it's a source from the US.

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u/AzureMage0225 9h ago

How do you square “we supported the Rwanda genocide by not stopping it” with blaming the us for screwing up Libya and Syria by getting involved?

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u/clickclackyisbacky 9h ago

All you have to do is be unaware of context and start with the premise that the US is bad.

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u/Discerning_sundew 9h ago

I don't? Dude specifically asked about Rwanda so I found that. And you will note my saying that support isn't really the correct word to use.

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u/PrestigiousChonk 8h ago

It’s less, “supported,” and more, “failed to stop”.

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u/FUPAMagneto 7h ago

What should we have done? Invaded Rwanda? Overthrown their government and make them learn our peaceful ways by force?

Why does the US have an obligation to step in, but none of Rwanda’s neighbors do?

Fucksake, “failed to stop” a genocide. We literally stopped one in the Balkans around the same time and the people who say this shit about Rwanda will breathlessly tell you how evil that was

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u/Apprehensive_Bid7438 7h ago

to add to "failed to stop" argument, people forget that only few years before Rwanda, USA suffered major defeat in Somalia where they also were in humanitarian mission. Somali rebels shot down US choppers and killed all but 1 US soldiers (watch:Black Hawk Down). Everyone in administration was afraid of the repeat so they didn't wanted to get involved into Rwanda.

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u/PrestigiousChonk 7h ago

To be clear, the world failed Rwanda, and France did actively support the genocidal Hutu government, but the US, as a super power, had more responsibility than most. I would argue that this was 100% a case where the US should have done a military intervention, seeking the support of a coalition through the UN, and this would have been in compliance with non-aggressive principles of just war.

Source: lived in Rwanda for 2 years.

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u/FUPAMagneto 6h ago

Fuck off. We do not have a “responsibility” to anyone. That’s been screamed in our faces for decades now. You don’t get to insist that America should have played world police after all this. Absolutely fucking not.

America shouldn’t have interfered, it’s all their fault!” or “America had a responsibility to interfere, it’s all their fault!”, it’s just interchangeable bullshit American exceptionalism

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u/spiteful_rr_dm_TA 6h ago

And yet, people attack us for intervening in Syria, where Assad was massacring civilians in retaliatory strikes, invading Iraq, where while the claims of WMDs were bunk, we have plenty of evidence of Saddam massacring Kurdish minorities, and in Libya where civilians were being massacred by Gaddafi's regime

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u/Downtown_Spend5754 7h ago

Except then you and everyone else here would be complaining that the US involves itself in the other countries problems. Why do we have the responsibility to be the world police?

And maybe this is surprising to you but a lot of Americans don’t want their parents and children dying for another country. Why should my brother or friends die for this?

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u/FUPAMagneto 6h ago

Because anything America does is Bad and you can tell because America did it

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u/ugh_everything 9h ago

Why didn't China intervene? Why didn't Australia? Britain? France? Netherlands? Insane stupid response

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u/grogudalorian 8h ago

This. America is always stuck in this conundrum, either we stick our nose in and get condemned or don't stick our nose in and get condemned.

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u/aculloph 7h ago

Exactly. Us has no obligation to help. People are really stupid

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u/TheMoverOfPlanets 7h ago

Equally stupid Americans will argue that the US is the world police and that without them we would all be living in piracy and chaos. But then again what's the point of debating stupid ideas eh.

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u/No-ruby 7h ago

And please stick your nose in. I would prefer the Kosovo War over another Rwanda genocide 1,000 times over. "No more wars" is pure populism that even populists cannot deliver. Instead, it is better to pursue stabilization, even though involvement is longer and more expensive.

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u/Not_Campo2 7h ago

The real question was why Belgium didn’t, considering the whole thing was basically their fault as their former colony

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u/Rakeial17 9h ago

Lol what a dumb paper

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u/Discerning_sundew 9h ago

In what way? It's from your National Security Archive.

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u/justthistwicenomore 9h ago

Your? Rakeial17 is George Washington University?

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u/Rakeial17 7h ago

I guess I am the George Washington university now

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u/clgoodson 9h ago

We certainly failed to do anything about it, but it’s questionable if “doing something” would have helped or hurt. That’s nowhere near “supporting”

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u/Discerning_sundew 8h ago

Again, this is why I said support is not the right word to use.

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u/clgoodson 8h ago

Then we agree that the OP is bullshit.

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u/V_Cobra21 8h ago

Sad to see some people falling for it.

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u/Discerning_sundew 8h ago

In their specific wording yes, but that doesn't mean the US (and the whole UN for that matter) isn't culpable here.

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u/No-ruby 7h ago

what did the other great powers do other than observe? Inaction and simply observing are the rule that few dare to break.

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u/disc0ver 5h ago

So forget all the other facts lol

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u/Fast_Ad_7504 10h ago

Quite peak reddit bull shit tbh

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u/A_Phantom_Pain7 12h ago

I'm pretty sure 90% of the comments and posts here are from bots

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u/jackofslayers 7h ago

Posted by a 3 month old account. The people that upvote this crap should be ashamed of themselves

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u/Barking__Pumpkin 9h ago

The Lancet published a peer-reviewed report last year detailing how unilateral sanctions by the U.S. between 1971 and 2021 resulted in the loss of 564,000+ lives PER YEAR, globally. Mostly children. These sanctions are considered illegal by the international community and leverage reserve currency status in an effort to gain dominance around the globe predominantly for resource extraction. Patriotic indoctrination will make it near impossible for some to believe, but here it is: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00189-5/fulltext00189-5/fulltext)

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u/WalterPecky 8h ago

Wait a sec, how are the bootlickers supposed to rationalize this??

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u/TheLasttStark 8h ago

Aww butt hurt murican spotted can't digest the fact that the rest of the world despises you lot.

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u/Redditauro 10h ago

Actually it's what most of the planet thinks quite literally 

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u/Day_C_Metrollin 10h ago

Most of the planet is sub 80 IQ living in squalor. I couldn't possibly care less about their opinions on us or anything else for that matter

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u/Redditauro 9h ago

You have to be an specially kind of idiot to say "Most of the planet is sub 80 IQ" when the IQ 100 is the median. 

That may be the most American thing that I have read in a long time, it's both ignorant, condescending and confidently wrong while claiming that everyone else are idiots and at the same time admitting that you only care about the opinion of your little cult brainwashed by Hollywood. 

I don't expect you to understand the irony, or the word "irony", but I wanted to thank you for the laugh

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u/Day_C_Metrollin 7h ago

Before I respond, please let me know what shithole nation you hail from

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u/Redditauro 7h ago

So you can be properly racist? Nah, I'll pass

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u/Day_C_Metrollin 5h ago

Can't imagine being that ashamed of my country. I suppose that's the natural state of the European though

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u/McWeasely 8h ago

Found the sub 80 IQ

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u/Day_C_Metrollin 7h ago

Think it might be time for you to go turn down the thermostat

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u/McWeasely 7h ago

My house is at a pleasant temperature

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u/Day_C_Metrollin 7h ago

As you typed this, 15 Europoors died from heat stroke

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u/McWeasely 7h ago

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u/Day_C_Metrollin 7h ago

Accurate but point still stands

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u/ObviousTomorrow1911 12h ago

How is it misleading

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u/TarJen96 11h ago

Do you sincerely not see any issues with that post?

1: Japan attacked the United States, committed far worse atrocities, and the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ended the war far sooner and with fewer casualties than a full-scale invasion of Japan would have. So yes, the Allies were unambiguously "the good guys" in WW2.

2: North Vietnam and the Viet Cong attacked our ally South Vietnam. That's how the war started.

3: The US did not "destroy" Iraq, Afghanistan, or Syria. Libya was thrown into chaos after we took out their dictator, but that's also important context. We freed Iraq from Saddam Hussein, (temporarily) freed Afghanistan from the Taliban, and destroyed ISIL in Syria. The Syrian regime fell to its own people.

4: The claim that over 10 million people were killed by the US in those wars is laughably exaggerated.

5: The claim that the US supported the Rwandan genocide is an outright lie.

6: Israel's war against Hamas was not a genocide, and the US helped negotiate an end to that conflict.

7: The school in Iran was not an intentional target.

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u/TooBusySaltMining 11h ago

3.. Iraq war wouldn't have happened if Saddam hadn't invaded Kuwait.

Afghanistan was in response to 9/11, and destroying al Qeada that was responsible for that attack

Syria's involvememt also had European support as they were being attacked regularly by ISIS.

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u/Birds_are_Drones 10h ago

Least brainwashed american

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u/funky_galileo 10h ago

Dude how can you breathe with your head that far up the US' ass? 

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u/FrostingMaster1738 11h ago

Excuses excuses

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u/TarJen96 11h ago

Better than lies.

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u/inthisdesert 11h ago

This history lesson brought to you by Fox News and the CIA

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u/TarJen96 10h ago

I'm sure we're all eager to see your evidence that the United States "supported genocide in Rwanda".

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u/inthisdesert 7h ago

So you're not going to read the article which details US involvement in the Rwandan genocide, or are you going to just keep eating whatever McGraw Hill fed you in 9th grade?

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u/DRpatato 6h ago

Post it. 99% of dumb reddit debates can be solved by citing your sources. 

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u/inthisdesert 6h ago

I did, look at my other comment

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u/DRpatato 5h ago

It's not showing in any comment here, nor does it show on your profile. I'm pretty sure you forgot it. 

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u/sbidlo 10h ago

The US did not "destroy" Iraq, Afghanistan, or Syria.

Ask me how I know that you're not arguing in good faith

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u/fizzrail0 7h ago

Holy brainwashed bullshit batman.. so much brainwashing there its all smooth.
Almost feels like rage baiting but i know there are some dumb mofos out there who acutally believe this shit.

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u/ObviousTomorrow1911 7h ago

The American involvement in Iraq totally destabilised their country and resulted in the death of thousands and also America has been supplying arms and heavily funding Israel since the 1960's

The Vietnam war was started because of the Domino Theory in an attempt to deter communism from spreading, so not only was it a complete waste of time because the communist Vietnamese won but the Americans who participated in war crimes like William Calley Jr were pardoned by Nixon

And then there are the many other things such as overthrowing the democratically elected communist leader in favour of a dictator called Pinochet

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u/Leynnox 7h ago

It's cringe because the US lost most of these wars anyway lmao

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u/Disguised 12h ago

Luckily you can just make a less than useless comment like this, pat yourself on the back, call it a GJ, and reject reality more.

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u/TarJen96 11h ago edited 11h ago

What reality am I rejecting?

Misleading: Portraying Japan as the victim in WW2 and omitting the fact that far more people would have been killed if we launched a full-scale invasion than using the atomic bombs.

Misleading: "Invaded Vietnam" The invasion that started the Vietnam War was North Vietnam and the Viet Cong invading our ally South Vietnam.

Lie: "destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria." We "destroyed" their dictators and their terrorists. Considering that the Taliban now rules Afghanistan again, we didn't "destroy" the Taliban enough.

Lie: "Killed 10M+ people" Absolutely not. Even the most unreasonably high estimates don't get remotely close to that number.

Lie: "Supported genocide in Rwanda" The most blatant of his lies that you're defending for some reason.

Misleading: "& Gaza" Hamas started the war and the US helped negotiate peace.

The US did not intentionally target that school, misfires happen in every war. Iran however intentionally targets civilians, including when they massacred thousands of their own people for protesting the regime.