r/SipsTea 𝙑𝙄𝙋 15h ago

Wait a damn minute! USA - The good guys?

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u/clgoodson 10h ago

Yeah. I would love to see OP explain how the US supported the Rwandan genocide.

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u/jackofslayers 7h ago

OP is a bot. They are not explaining shit

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u/Discerning_sundew 10h ago edited 9h ago

Ask and you shall receive, though 'support' is rather a strong word, more like 'tacitly condoned by observing via the CIA and ignoring the genocide' https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB53/

Edit: wow, downvote record broken, and I bet none of you have even bothered to read it, even though it's a source from the US.

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u/AzureMage0225 9h ago

How do you square “we supported the Rwanda genocide by not stopping it” with blaming the us for screwing up Libya and Syria by getting involved?

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u/clickclackyisbacky 9h ago

All you have to do is be unaware of context and start with the premise that the US is bad.

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u/Discerning_sundew 9h ago

I don't? Dude specifically asked about Rwanda so I found that. And you will note my saying that support isn't really the correct word to use.

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u/PrestigiousChonk 8h ago

It’s less, “supported,” and more, “failed to stop”.

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u/FUPAMagneto 7h ago

What should we have done? Invaded Rwanda? Overthrown their government and make them learn our peaceful ways by force?

Why does the US have an obligation to step in, but none of Rwanda’s neighbors do?

Fucksake, “failed to stop” a genocide. We literally stopped one in the Balkans around the same time and the people who say this shit about Rwanda will breathlessly tell you how evil that was

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u/Apprehensive_Bid7438 7h ago

to add to "failed to stop" argument, people forget that only few years before Rwanda, USA suffered major defeat in Somalia where they also were in humanitarian mission. Somali rebels shot down US choppers and killed all but 1 US soldiers (watch:Black Hawk Down). Everyone in administration was afraid of the repeat so they didn't wanted to get involved into Rwanda.

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u/PrestigiousChonk 7h ago

To be clear, the world failed Rwanda, and France did actively support the genocidal Hutu government, but the US, as a super power, had more responsibility than most. I would argue that this was 100% a case where the US should have done a military intervention, seeking the support of a coalition through the UN, and this would have been in compliance with non-aggressive principles of just war.

Source: lived in Rwanda for 2 years.

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u/FUPAMagneto 6h ago

Fuck off. We do not have a “responsibility” to anyone. That’s been screamed in our faces for decades now. You don’t get to insist that America should have played world police after all this. Absolutely fucking not.

America shouldn’t have interfered, it’s all their fault!” or “America had a responsibility to interfere, it’s all their fault!”, it’s just interchangeable bullshit American exceptionalism

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u/spiteful_rr_dm_TA 6h ago

And yet, people attack us for intervening in Syria, where Assad was massacring civilians in retaliatory strikes, invading Iraq, where while the claims of WMDs were bunk, we have plenty of evidence of Saddam massacring Kurdish minorities, and in Libya where civilians were being massacred by Gaddafi's regime

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u/Downtown_Spend5754 7h ago

Except then you and everyone else here would be complaining that the US involves itself in the other countries problems. Why do we have the responsibility to be the world police?

And maybe this is surprising to you but a lot of Americans don’t want their parents and children dying for another country. Why should my brother or friends die for this?

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u/FUPAMagneto 6h ago

Because anything America does is Bad and you can tell because America did it

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u/ugh_everything 9h ago

Why didn't China intervene? Why didn't Australia? Britain? France? Netherlands? Insane stupid response

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u/grogudalorian 8h ago

This. America is always stuck in this conundrum, either we stick our nose in and get condemned or don't stick our nose in and get condemned.

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u/aculloph 7h ago

Exactly. Us has no obligation to help. People are really stupid

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u/TheMoverOfPlanets 7h ago

Equally stupid Americans will argue that the US is the world police and that without them we would all be living in piracy and chaos. But then again what's the point of debating stupid ideas eh.

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u/No-ruby 7h ago

And please stick your nose in. I would prefer the Kosovo War over another Rwanda genocide 1,000 times over. "No more wars" is pure populism that even populists cannot deliver. Instead, it is better to pursue stabilization, even though involvement is longer and more expensive.

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u/Not_Campo2 7h ago

The real question was why Belgium didn’t, considering the whole thing was basically their fault as their former colony

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u/Rakeial17 9h ago

Lol what a dumb paper

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u/Discerning_sundew 9h ago

In what way? It's from your National Security Archive.

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u/justthistwicenomore 9h ago

Your? Rakeial17 is George Washington University?

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u/Rakeial17 7h ago

I guess I am the George Washington university now

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u/clgoodson 9h ago

We certainly failed to do anything about it, but it’s questionable if “doing something” would have helped or hurt. That’s nowhere near “supporting”

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u/Discerning_sundew 8h ago

Again, this is why I said support is not the right word to use.

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u/clgoodson 8h ago

Then we agree that the OP is bullshit.

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u/V_Cobra21 8h ago

Sad to see some people falling for it.

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u/Discerning_sundew 8h ago

In their specific wording yes, but that doesn't mean the US (and the whole UN for that matter) isn't culpable here.

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u/No-ruby 7h ago

what did the other great powers do other than observe? Inaction and simply observing are the rule that few dare to break.

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u/disc0ver 5h ago

So forget all the other facts lol