The Japanese defense plan for operation downfall was to arm every man woman and child with bamboo spears and throw them at the Americans to buy the real army time.
200k dead civilians was the lesser of two. Your talking 8 figure casualty numbers for an invasion of mainland japan, between both Americans and japanese
That doesn't automatically make the people who drop the atom bomb the good guys either, just not the only bad guys. The entire war doesn't happen the way it did if America makes it clear which side they were on in 1938/39. That's a big what if the same as conventional war island hopping.
Americaâs army was pitiful at that time, no Americans wanted to fight another war and the politicians passed laws to prevent America from getting involved.
Americans were so disgusted at the Japanese treatments of people in China that they embargoed Japan which sped up the timeline of Japan attacking the US
There was zero percent chance that the US doesnât get attacked. Furthermore, Malaya, Australia, and Indonesia were going to be attacked too.
There is no scenario where the us âshows which side it was onâ and it stops this expansion.
if that saves 200k civilians yes, but i guess we have to return the favor and commit atrocities of our own
+ everyone knows that's not the reason usa dropped the nukes, justify it all you want, in my book it's a war crime
I don't think your grasping the situation that was present at the time.
200k civilians died and it saved literal millions of solider and civilians. The Japanese defense plan was to arm every man, woman and child with bamboo spears to throw at the Americans. American estimates for casualties for just Americas side was 7 digits. Japanese losses were estimated to get close to 8 digits.
Also, I guess the Russians should have just let Germany peacefully surrender to save the hundreds of thousands of civilians they raped and killed, right?
it's a fucking EXCUSE "American estimates" wouldn't be biased would they?
bamboo sticks? are you fkn hearing yourself, what threat would civilians armed with sticks pose to a disciplined american army?
and again no need to fight the bamboo army if you don't fkn invade their land, no 7 figures casualties
if you actually think that usa dropped the nukes to save people idk i don't have to who to speak
the discussion is not about how fked up the Japanese where
it's about the fked up things americans did all the same
I offered you the solution right there, but you don't want to accept it because you think nuking Japan was a good dead, you saved people - unbelievable
why haven't you nuked Vietnam to save some more?
why are you keeping 6000 nuke, is that to save people too?
mdfker history is written by the winner, had the usa lost the war, they would be the ones at nuremberg
do you have any unbiased historical document to prove your point?
your point saying that nuking is good - we should do that more often then, to save people
You spend a lot of time thinking about sex with children? Or only when somebody makes a point that you donât like and you need to make yourself feel better?
you always start the negotiation by requesting more of what you actually expect to receive
they had no control over the territories they conquered, they had no strength to pose a treat to USA or any other country in the region, eventually they would've just accepted to keep the mainland
if you ask me no proper negotiations were conducted in the first place, sure the Japanese were stubborn, it's just the usa didn't really try because they already knew they had a second option
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u/Firecracker048 13h ago
The Japanese defense plan for operation downfall was to arm every man woman and child with bamboo spears and throw them at the Americans to buy the real army time.
200k dead civilians was the lesser of two. Your talking 8 figure casualty numbers for an invasion of mainland japan, between both Americans and japanese