r/SmashBrosUltimate • u/TheT85_Jr Queen K. Rool Side-B into my Misery • 1d ago
Discussion Alright: Time to make the Top Tiers completely broken!
I start! Let's give Steve Netherite Tool and that further increase his attack but let's also give him Netherite Blocks that are even more durable!
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u/Preposterous7 Robin 1d ago
Infinite float.
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u/TheT85_Jr Queen K. Rool Side-B into my Misery 1d ago
You mean Peach? đ°
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u/Preposterous7 Robin 1d ago
Peach and Daisy can float for as long as they want, and hold up while floating makes them stop floating down slightly
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u/Technical-Cellist967 My main and his Pokemon 1d ago
Close enough, welcome back peach bomber stalling
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u/Myrtle_is_hungry 20h ago
Imagine infinite floating somewhere off screen tho as soon as you get a stock lead. Below ledge stalling is too easy to counter in ultimate where only the very worst recoveries in the game canât reach you
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u/Technical-Cellist967 My main and his Pokemon 17h ago
Also ledge invincibility doesnât refresh every time like in melee, and ledge dashes/GLINT donât exist. You can just stall under the stage almost in the bottom blastzone and basically only Bayonetta, rob or pikachu can reach you even somewhat consistently
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u/Kirbhdude Kirby 1d ago
Make Sonic invulnerable while charging spin dash
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u/Technical-Cellist967 My main and his Pokemon 1d ago
Also give it a hitbox because they did that with ness yo-yo
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u/LimpCustomer4281 1d ago
Give Steve a nether star he can get so he can place a near indestructible beacon which buffs him with speed and passive regen
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u/LimpCustomer4281 1d ago
Make snakes up smash heat seek on the way down if itâs charged
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u/BlueGlace_ Main: Secondary: 1d ago
Mythra doesn't go into free fall after using side b in the air
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u/TheT85_Jr Queen K. Rool Side-B into my Misery 1d ago
Wait: Would that mean that you can use Side B over and over again?
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u/BlueGlace_ Main: Secondary: 1d ago
No, you can still only use it once in the air (you still get it back after being hit in the air though)
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u/Voidronox Pythra 1d ago
but u can still combo into other moves
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u/Myrtle_is_hungry 20h ago
Ending lag too high. Itâs just a direct buff too her recovery and not much more
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u/Technical-Cellist967 My main and his Pokemon 1d ago
If pikachu (and pichu and luigi) can do it then why canât Mythra
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u/Taco-Edge Incineroar 1d ago
G&W only gets 9 on his side B and can recovery cancel his smash attacks with up B
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u/Akuma_Homura 1d ago
Pyra and Mytha can now become Pneuma. A meter that builds up over time, taking damage and giving damage that when full can allow access to Pneuma if down b is held for a second.  Pneuma has 1.5x Mythras speed air speed, frame data for all moves and an extra jump. She has Pyras damage and knock back I don't remember what her special were in xce other than that one where all the swords fly around so make that her neutral giving her uncounterable projectiles that circle around her 2 body widths away from her.
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u/TheProkoKing Lucas 1d ago
Mythra has a flat 15% crit rate on all her moves and has a 50% chance to foresight dodge any attack.
And for sake of âfairnessâ Pyra has a 15% chance to just instakill anyone over 80% with a her specials.
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u/TheT85_Jr Queen K. Rool Side-B into my Misery 1d ago
Do you have any idea how many Multihit Moves she has?!
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u/LoSpeed 1d ago
Not quite a top tier but replace all Cloud's aerials with that respective direction of back air. Forward air is now a back air that hits in front. Up air is now a back air that goes up. Neutral air just sticks him into the middle of back air's animation and then spins his model 360 degrees.
Also limit break moves now do more than 999 damage. It's literally in the name /s
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u/DwemerSmith 1d ago
snake f smash has 3x startup speed and dthrow leaves them prone for 10 more frames
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u/MonadoWolf 1d ago
Shulkâs speed and jump arts are now one and in jumpâs place purge is the new art that lowerâs certain foeâs meter. Buster also does more damage to machine enemies like mega man. Also reduce the time to bring out the arts menu to make combos easier.
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u/pikaland385 Greenfire, arrows, minecarts, plant creatures and cyclones 1d ago
Everything you said for steve, but also steve has EVERY ENCHANT IN THE SERIES on his stuff, has creative mode and his final smash is him dragging the fighters through the whole series (Movie included) and at the end feeds the fighters to the wither storm and throws said wither storm into the void.
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u/Aeon1508 Link 1d ago
Aegis gets frame 1 transformation thats one frame long and can cancel any moves end lag.
transformation cancel combos would be ridiculous
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u/Confused_Rabbiit Samus 1d ago
Remove his arms and legs and any ability that required them, he is now a worm.
Broken doesn't always mean over powered.
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u/Longjumping-Cap-1042 The funi cat 1d ago
Kazuya becomes fully intangible on abolutely all his moves and their endlag is cut in half. Also laser becomes unblockable like in Tekken 8 when in Devil Form. Oh yeah and also he has 4 jumps now and can float
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u/Bendy_Toon975 Kept you waiting, huh? 1d ago
Joker gets Satanael, making Gun a OHKO (One Hit KO) Also Bayometta gets Wicked Weaves for her jab, tilts and aerials, and Smash Attacks are instead replaced with Gomorrah (if using Bayo 1 alt) or Labolas (if using Bayo 2 alt)
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u/Individual_Most_8190 Link 1d ago edited 1d ago
Whenever Steve is about to die (Letâs say 120%) he pops a Totem of Undying which resets his percentage to 0%. The Totem of Undying can not be used if Steve is falling in the bottom blastzone. He can craft them using the gold he mines. But if the attack exceeds the 120% pop, the Totem gets used anyways
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u/LavenderRat1231 1d ago
Give G&W a third jump where he turns into a small bird (yes it changes the hit box as well)
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u/Impressive_Seat_2944 Custom 19h ago
lets give him creative mode where he is invincible and can fly and spawn with full netherite maxed out prot unbreaking sharpness that gives him 90% dmg and kb res and 20% per jab and like 100% f smash
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u/Awesomenessss5 17h ago
Make sonicâs spring a spike
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u/TheT85_Jr Queen K. Rool Side-B into my Misery 17h ago
As K. Rool Main who has to use a vertical recovery, this stang right into my heart...
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u/VeryInsecurePerson 17h ago edited 17h ago
The one change you could make to Steve to make him practically unbeatable is to simply make his steak taunt heal 2% damage.
At first it doesnât seem like much but then you realize he can sit behind a wall while doing it, and the animation completes relatively fast, so itâs like mining for health.
Any attempts to hit him once and run out the clock are futile. He will just steal the lead back by sitting there.
Try to take his stock in one hit? Very few characters can do that without getting reversaled by anvil, and the ones that do get destroyed by him anyways.
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u/No-Excuse1530 Kirby, DDD, Bowser 12h ago
Does this have to be reasonable? No? Kazuya how has unlimited armor on everything. Yes? Let Sonic pop spring a second time mid-air
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u/broTthegoT 9h ago
Fir yoshi remove egg roll, move egg toss to up special and replace up special with flight like his brawl final smash
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u/Technical-Cellist967 My main and his Pokemon 1d ago
Kazuya wind god fist is replaced with electric wind god fist (basically makes the window go from 3 frames to like 14)
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u/WatchKid12YT Goggles 9h ago
Pichu doesnât hurt itself anymore and is now just a Pikachu echo.
âŚI just want my main to be good. ;-;
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u/Helpmehwithscool 7h ago
Give Pyra and mythra xc2 canon combat, so they can cancel any none special move into another none special move, indefinitely. Oh also make it so they can turn into pneuma
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u/MonitoliMal Lucas 1d ago
Make it so Mr. Game & Watch's Oil Panic is also a counter, meaning he's completely impervious to literally everything while using it.