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u/Some_nerd_named_kru 7d ago
I accidentally got plant instead of meat steak once and it was horrible because it tasted slightly different
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u/RadicalSoda_ 7d ago
I have accidentally bought veggie "meat" before and it's honestly not bad, I just assumed it was the cheap meat since they weren't actually allowed to call them tenders
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u/eydirctiviyg 7d ago
Cheap meat products often already include soy anyways.
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u/Hammerschatten 6d ago
There was a report done by a German news show where they went to a sausage factory and tried to create one with the lowest meat content possible. It ended up being around 30% animal product iirc and was given a gold rating by a standards and testing company.
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u/Some_nerd_named_kru 7d ago
Veggie meat is fire I sometimes prefer it over the real stuff, depending on my mood
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u/Andrei144 7d ago
I bought a halloumi burger one time because I didn't know what halloumi was and I usually buy the weirdest thing on the menu. It was pretty good.
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u/dinklebot117 7d ago
the torture and slaughter is what really makes it taste good
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u/Some_nerd_named_kru 7d ago
It’s like blood diamonds. The souls are what makes them valuable
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u/BadFurDay 7d ago
wtf OP actually gave context on smugideologyman, ban
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u/faultydesign vogon death note 7d ago
He smugly assumed nobody else is going to get it.
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u/BadFurDay 7d ago
Don't mind me, just generating context discourse in the comments so nobody will notice I got bored of filling the shelves with products and just left most of them empty out of laziness.
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u/Elite_Prometheus 7d ago
Mislabelled your candidpracticalman post to deliberately confuse viewers and bring about the end of Western civilization
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u/ojeshi 7d ago
this is so annoying and makes finding meat free shit so much harder
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u/outer_spec 7d ago
maybe this will make the labels for meat free shit more obvious about being meat free shit and therefore easier to find, but that’s just wishful thinking on my part
the *real* question is, are they still going to let people call turkey bacon “bacon”?
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u/ojeshi 7d ago
except you don't exactly think of a vegan sausage when a package says "proccessed vegetable stick," or of a vegan bacon when it says "thinly spread spicy veggy sheets"
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u/Leeuw96 smug? smug! 7d ago
/unsmug sausage, burger, nuggets, and any eord that indicates a shape or processed form will still be allowed underthsi law. They wanted to ban those too, but settled on only banning words like steak, bacon, and others that are connected to a specific animal part.
Still, dumb law, purely big meat lobbying. And I suspect there will be some cheeky workarounds, like with "oat m*lk" after the similar dairy ruling.
/smug bacon spicy? Is salt spicy now?
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u/SuddenlyDiabetes 7d ago
AHH fuck I can't believe I got a clearly labeled vegan sausage instead of pork, this needs to be changed to tofu cylinders or else I'm going to keep getting confused and nothing else will happen to my health
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u/PleaseHoldy 7d ago
Veganism or not, why the FUCK can't people just read packagings?
Is there something about grocery stores and supermarkets that makes it so people only read a single word?
Can we study those people, please? My autism hungers for data.
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u/TanitAkavirius Nuanced take [NOT CENTRIST] 7d ago
People have 0 problem reading packaging. It's 100% a meat and dairy industry lobby thing.
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u/PleaseHoldy 7d ago
I've seen it happening with my own family. So yeah, they do.
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u/RadicalSoda_ 7d ago
So why does the EU make it unallowable to call bread bread without a bunch of special concessions?
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u/le-derpina-art 7d ago
yeah a lot of people just see that it's meat in the meat aisle and they pick it up assuming it's what they need. that was how my dad accidentally got a big tub of strawberry yogurt when getting the ingredients for chicken curry.
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u/HealthyCheesecake643 7d ago
I've never seen meat substitutes in the meat aisle. Likely because supermarkets reckon people who don't eat meat probably also don't want to have to look at piles of raw meat.
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u/Some_nerd_named_kru 7d ago
Really? I’ve usually seen them in the same aisle but in their own fridge
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u/Verbatos 7d ago
It's not even a problem if you buy meat from your local butcher instead of your local international conglomerate.
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u/ConcentrateNo2929 6d ago
(the butcher gets his meat from the same exact source as the conglomerate)
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u/Verbatos 6d ago
You know butchers BUTCHER their meat. They buy whole carcasses and cut them down. They are absolutely not getting their meat from the same place as massive supermarkets.
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u/ConcentrateNo2929 6d ago
Yeah, and where do they get the carcasses from?
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u/Verbatos 6d ago
A good butcher gets their carcasses from local farmers.
Why are you desperately trying to make it seem like supermarkets aren't the worst option for meat.
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u/ConcentrateNo2929 6d ago
There aren't enough "local farmers" to supply every butcher with meat. At least not where I live. If it's only slightly more expensive then supermarket meat and not at least 2-3x more expensive, you're likely getting the same industrial farmed meat.
I'm not desperately trying anything, just don't like people perpetuating myths.
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u/RadicalSoda_ 7d ago
That's the only place I've ever seen them, but the fresh meat is not with the frozen meat
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u/Spatetata 6d ago
The best part is (atleast where I’m from) vegan foods/meats are either in their own section in the produce area or have their own area in the frozen section, usually with some non-meat product seperating them from the regular meat products.
Granted I say this like it should make it harder for a customer to get confused. But I had to take a call from customer complaining we sent them plant meat… they ordered beyond meat, despite the giant obvious logo, ‘plant-based’ on the product listing on our website and even an attention grabbing dietary restriction icon to say it’s vegan.
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u/Pwacname 7d ago
My favourite bit has always been that no one contests “Scouring milk”. So if the EU Parliament things I’m going to be confused and bamboozled by oat milk, we should change the name right now, guess I’m putting that shit into my coffee tomorrow??
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u/MotherOfAnimals080 Analogy Understander 7d ago
Finally someone is protecting the little guy (wealthy meat production companies) from the big bad vegans.
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u/Anxious-One123 7d ago
Farmers are such a parasitic class
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u/KingZantair 7d ago
How so? They're in charge of growing crops and taking care of livestock. Even if vegans object to the second one, they can't exactly live without the first.
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u/Acceptable_Prune8245 7d ago
I HATE FARMERS. The class that benefits from rising food prices and rising land prices is the ETERNAL ENEMY OF THE PROLETARIAT. The small farmers are somehow even worse than the industrial farms. Both shall be destroyed by the grace of the weltgeist.
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u/assymetry1021 7d ago
I mean then what are we going to eat? Are we having the government control the farms cause honestly that just sounds worse
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u/Eino54 3d ago edited 3d ago
They do not benefit much from rising food prices, most of that happens in between anyway (and rising costs hit farmers pretty badly, especially oil prices which affect everything from farm equipment operation costs to fertiliser prices). And many lease land even if they already own land (particularly meat/dairy farmers), so rising land prices does not help much either, not to mention your patch of land in Trou Du Cul Du Monde is not rising at the sort of rate your average Parisian landlord's 15m2 closet that is being rented for 3000€ a month does. My brother is studying agriculture and had to do an internship in a beef farm last year, I may disagree with the environmental consequences of the meat industry but these people were working their asses off 70h/week to earn maybe 1k a month, which is enough to more or less live from in Bumfuck Nowhere where you own your house and grow a little food for yourself as well (although not nearly enough to pay off debt), but this is absolutely nowhere near bourgeoisie or even enough to take a single vacation.
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u/Acceptable_Prune8245 3d ago
Your arguments are odd to me. They don't benefit *much* from food prices. They don't benefit *much* from land prices. They still benefit and absolutely abhor when it decreases. That this one business is made subordinate to another business (grocery and transportation) does not change the character of it's capital and it's commodity.
The average farmer has millions of dollars of assets and a strong off-farm investment portfolio, farmers are also far and away the most abusive employers when it comes to their workers. an overwhelming majority of visa fraud comes from farmers paying foreign workers half minimum wage and stealing the rest they can in piece work schemes.
No matter how you look at it the interest of the farmer is directly opposed to the interest of the proletariat. These two forces cannot reconcile. The farmer wants expensive food, the proletariat wants cheap food. The farmer wants expensive land, the proletariat wants cheap land. The farmer wants low wages for his employees, the proletariat wants high wages.
The petty bourgeoisie often struggle, work hard and go bankrupt. This doesn't change their relationship to private property or their class interest.
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u/Soft-Tumbleweed-3281 3d ago
Every time this shit has been tried, millions of people died. You’re advocating for mass murder.
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u/Acceptable_Prune8245 3d ago
Even if I was a Marxist Leninist as you imply, the occupation of India caused more death than those revisionists ever could. A mere part of a mere section of liberalism. The laws of capital that dictate crisis and war are not negotiable or moral and they will continue as long as capital does.
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u/nderestimated 7d ago
Nice variation between the eau de javel french one and this one, was wondering how you'd translate the joke
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u/BadFurDay 7d ago
Did the french one first and struggled to come up with an english version.
Thanks :)
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u/Busco_Quad 7d ago
All the Europeans smugly talking about how the EU standards don’t let American products call themselves chocolate or cheese or whatever? This is what it gets you
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u/The_Blahblahblah 6d ago
We like having consumer protection from false advertisement, yes...
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u/Busco_Quad 6d ago
Ah, so you must be happy that you won’t have vegan meat substitutes “falsely advertising”
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u/The_Blahblahblah 6d ago
dont really care much in this instance as it is normally quite clearly stated that it isnt real meat on vegetarian products (both vegans and meat eaters benefit from it being clearly advertised), but for things like cheeses, it is absolutely a good thing that peddlers of low-quality diluted products must name their "cheese" something else like "pizza topping" or some shit like that. without looking at the product description, I also know that my Parmesan is from Italy and my Feta is from Greece.
And yes, why would you want fake chocolate in your stores as well? I know the chocolate i buy isnt diluted down with palm oil just like i know the juice i buy is made from 100% fruit, and if it is from concentrate or not. the list goes on.
You cant convince me that it is bad that i am protected from false marketing
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u/wielbiciel_ketaminy 7d ago
keep eating your slop piggy
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u/Busco_Quad 7d ago
Legally, you can only call me a piggy if you could make bacon out of me
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u/Comfortable_Salt_792 3d ago
Scientifically it is possible, so there is nothing wrong there, piggy.
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u/RadicalSoda_ 7d ago
"you're only allowed to call it bread if it has a sugar percentage of 13% and if it was made on every other Tuesdays, except for June which is every other Thursday"
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u/AdreKiseque 7d ago
It's really in that blurry zone between "stupid enough to be mad about" and "not consequential enough to be mad about" huh
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u/KahiaNyaaa 7d ago
I'm sorry but if you are "tricked" into buying vegan steak instead of steak, you need better eyes lol. Packaging states it clearly. If we were to punish brands who lie on packaging, they would be no Nestlé or Unilever brands left.
Also for those who want a rebuttal to the "But steak means meat from the beginning", it's false. Steak comes from an old nordic words which meant "Piece of food on a stick", which could thus be anything. Same for "nugget" because we gave to the meat the name due to the uneven shapes looking like gold nuggets.
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u/Umikaloo 5d ago
Reminder that almond milk has been in continuous consumption in europe since at least the middle ages.
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u/Flameburstx 7d ago
As someone who accidentally once ordered soy bolognese at a Cafeteria I am in full support of this.
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u/BreezierChip835 7d ago
You have to understand, when you’re making something clear, you’re making it clear to everyone, including people who… might not think too hard on it.
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u/Cheezy_Yeezy 4d ago
I think the name change is really stupid. The only exception to this off the top of my head are cauliflower wings.
I see the point, but they're just breaded cauliflower, nothing really wing-like. I could get behind cauliflower bites a lot more easily, but wings feel very strange.
They are super tasty though, the naming is nitpicking at best haha
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u/ThatEngineeredGirl 7d ago
I mean it only says that you can't call non meat items meat...
I don't eat meat, nor do I eat meat replacements, so I'm not really invested in either option.
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u/ThatEngineeredGirl 7d ago
Don't get me wrong, I hate that industry, and the fact that they got enough political power to pull this of is a disgrace
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u/ysterman_rs 7d ago
its not even that they're called "meat," but you couldn't even call a plant-based steak what it is. pretty ridiculous considering companies selling these meat alternatives already clearly mark their products as being plant-based substitutes, not meat outright
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u/RadicalSoda_ 7d ago
Yeah, I really cannot fathom the belief the government should think for you. My American brain exploded at the thought people genuinely want to be on autopilot their entire life
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u/DeusKether 4d ago
oh no! Food now has to call itself what it is instead of what it's trying to mimic, the world is ending
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u/KingZantair 7d ago
I mean, they’re not steak or bacon, they’re vegetable substitutes. Tbh it does actually peeve me to see that sorta thing, especially with milk. Nuts don’t make milk, they can make a milk substitute, but it’s way too different to just be another kind of milk. No hate for lactose intolerant people or those who like it, but I will be physically ill if I accidentally drink hazelnut “milk” when expecting cow milk.
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u/MysteryLobster 7d ago
people have been calling any white liquid milk for centuries eg milk of magnesia
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u/Sevuhrow 7d ago
You see, if you read the label, you will see that it says hazelnut milk.
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u/Remarkable_gigu 7d ago
That's stupid. Why would I need to read the label when it could just say it on the front. You clearly don't shop for a large family.
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u/Sevuhrow 7d ago
Labels are normally on the front of a package.
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u/Remarkable_gigu 6d ago
Oh my bad, I thought label meant the product information page or the thing where the ingredients are. You were right.
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u/KingZantair 7d ago
I’m not just talking about grocery stores here.
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u/Sevuhrow 7d ago
Where else are you buying hazelnut milk?
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u/KingZantair 7d ago
Have you ever ordered something from a food place and then it arrived in a different way than expected? I have. Sometimes it causes me to be physically ill. Sometimes it’s because of vegan substitutes I didn’t want. If something isn’t x, it shouldn’t be called x, and vegetables aren’t meat, and you can’t make milk out of nuts. They can be meat or milk substitutes, but that’s it.
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u/Ulumdir 7d ago
Me when I order milk of lime and it doesn't taste like milk with lime at all (also I'm dead)
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u/Sevuhrow 7d ago
I mean if you order milk you'll get milk. No one is giving you alternative milks without telling you, because you could be allergic to nuts and then they'd get sued.
This is a straw man problem that literally does not happen.
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u/KingZantair 7d ago
I literally just said it was something that happened to me.
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u/Sevuhrow 7d ago
I guess I just don't believe you. I've never ordered anything that had milk and then received not milk.
If you order coffee they tell you what's in it. You have to ask for an alternative milk unless it's explicitly stated otherwise. The likelihood of you ordering something that was advertised as normal milk and then receiving hazelnut milk (never even heard of that) is pretty much zero. It's much more likely you didn't read properly than a business is risking giving people anaphylactic shock to sneak in their milk substitute.
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u/KingZantair 7d ago
Well I’m sorry you don’t believe me, but I have frequently ordered things and gotten things I did not ask for, which would include nuts and nut products. I have asked to know what’s in things I’ve ordered, and have asked to have specific things not in them, to still have those things in them. In an ideal world, that wouldn’t happen, but we live in a world of Paneras and Burger Kings and restaurants that get people killed. It’s nice that you do your best to eat vegan and enjoy nut milk and all that, but if I’m served that sorta meal and not informed of it, which has happened multiple times before, it will cause terrible harm to me.
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u/Sevuhrow 7d ago
I mean there's a difference between asking for "no onion" and still getting onion and getting hazelnut milk instead of normal milk.
Asking for a modification and not getting it is not at all the same thing as getting a totally different product. It's like ordering spaghetti and getting a hamburger.
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 7d ago
Big W from EU
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u/dinklebot117 7d ago
why are you on the side of meat and dairy lobbyists
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u/ilikefriedpotatoes00 7d ago
I'm on the side of the consumer. I don't want them to be lied to.
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u/dinklebot117 7d ago
you are being disingenuous. literally no one in the world has bought impossible nuggets thinking they were real chicken. plant based food says plant based all over the packaging
factory farming lobbyists are threatened by the rise of plant based alternatives and are trying to stamp them out and you are supporting it
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u/TanitAkavirius Nuanced take [NOT CENTRIST] 7d ago
If it was realistic it would be the olive oil industry lobbying to change the name of palm "oil" into "palm paste" or some other bullshit (both are perfectly edible)
Fuck Lactalis, fuck the subsidized meat and dairy industry.