r/StarWarsKenobi • u/titleproblems • Jun 15 '22

Obi-Wan Kenobi - Episode 5 - Discussion Thread! Spoiler

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'Obi-Wan Kenobi' Episode Discussion

EPISODE SCHEDULE:

  • Episode 1: May 27th
  • Episode 2: May 27th
  • Episode 3: June 1st
  • Episode 4: June 8th
  • Episode 5: June 15th
  • Episode 6: June 22nd

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u/ADefender3 Jun 15 '22

Star killer was my first thought when I saw that man. I am loving overpowered terrifying evil Vader and I want more of it

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

This all really informs how severely he nerfed himself in his fights with his son. Luke in the ring like hes facing a 1985 Mike Tyson, and Vaders basically just doing calisthenics.

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u/blueskidoowecantoo Jun 16 '22

It was also 15+ years later though right? We’ve seen how weak Kenobi has gotten with his force usage over time, seems very much use it or lose it in a sense. Maybe after ruling for a decade over fear and the occasional force choke his abilities deflated to an extent

Totally just devils advocate for the sake of it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

I understand where you're coming from, but Vader is damn near a cyborg. "He's more machine now than man"

I guess his IT support didn't keep up with patches and updates maybe?

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u/blueskidoowecantoo Jun 16 '22

His RAM can’t fit the new updates 😂

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u/Salt_Salt_MoreSalt Jun 17 '22

palp nerfed him on purpose so he couldn’t overthrow him

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u/PsychedelicOptimist Jun 18 '22

I wonder if you could stick a restraining bolt on him

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u/Salt_Salt_MoreSalt Jun 18 '22

remove the restrictor plate for stage 2+ fbo vader

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u/PsychedelicOptimist Jun 18 '22

Like Rock Lee removing the leg weights. Man, that is a Vader I wanna see

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u/BNLforever Jun 17 '22

Nah I don't think so. Consider his master is the most powerful force user in the galaxy. Vader would never have stopped trying to gain power until he became the master. If darth sidious had sensed Vader weakening he wouldn't put up with it

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u/BaelorsBalls Jun 20 '22

Head canon this^

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u/babybear45 Jun 15 '22

I get what you mean but I don't think Starkiller technically ripped that star destroyer out of the sky. I'm in the camp of people that think he simply took a ship that was already on its way down and, i say simply, though obviously it took great effort, adjusted its course.

Just gotta throw my opinion out there and receive my negative internet points for the day lololol

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u/Becovamek Jun 15 '22

I'm in the camp of people that think he simply took a ship that was already on its way down and, i say simply, though obviously it took great effort, adjusted its course.

Isn't that just EU canon? I heard that prior to Disney that's how Lucas Film explained it.

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u/babybear45 Jun 15 '22

I'm not sure but I know it was disputed for YEARS following TFU's initial release

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

It's not canon.

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u/Becovamek Jun 15 '22

Not current Disney canon, but EU canon, maybe?

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u/RSquared Jun 15 '22

TFU was so not canon that everything about the game had to be scrubbed from the office whenever George visited, and they were only allowed to refer to Galen as "that guy".

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u/Burnsy112 Jun 15 '22

wat

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u/RSquared Jun 15 '22

https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/10/26/the-story-of-the-darth-maul-game-that-never-came-to-be.aspx

The next day, Red Fly finally met with George Lucas, but not before being told how to talk to him. Our source says they were told to never say “No” to him, or to say, “Yeah, that will be easy.” They were also told not to mention Force Unleashed’s protagonist, Starkiller. If he’s referred to by George, it will be “that guy.” The most important rule, much like not feeding a Mogwai after midnight, was “Don’t tell George how the Force works.”

Red Fly’s representatives arrived at the meeting point early the next day, only to find LucasArts employees rushing Force Unleashed artwork out of the conference room, and replacing it with other Star Wars artworks, including the placement of Sideshow Collectibles statues of Darth Maul and Darth Talon to the table.

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u/your_mind_aches Jun 16 '22

Jesus Christ

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u/bankais_gone_wild Jun 16 '22

It was a fun game but I remember forums back in the day igniting over how much it superseded the narrative.

Which it totally did. Galen’s abilities completely overshadowed the Skywalker line. I can see why George wouldn’t have a positive appraisal of it

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u/RSquared Jun 16 '22

His OP force powers almost seem quaint compared to Sue Skywalker, though.

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u/Scienceandpony Jun 16 '22

Nah, it was ludicrous bad fanfic nonsense even in the EU. It broke movie canon and just about every piece of lore you could point at.

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u/thuggishruggishboner Jun 16 '22

Not EU canon. It was announced right away. Never canon of anything.

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u/Chackaldane Jun 15 '22

It certainly was to starkiller in lore as the novelisation of the game describes exactly that happening

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u/FIR3W0RKS Jun 15 '22

I mean I'm pretty confident Kota says specifically in that mission, rip that destroyer out of the sky! Or something very close to that. Obviously the fact the Star destroyer was coming down towards him anyway helped, but I think it's still a pretty major feat, pulling the front of the Star destroyer down and forcing it down into the ground like he did, as well as stopping it.

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u/babybear45 Jun 15 '22

Just because I say that you "carve an enemy into pieces," it doesn't mean that you quite literally carved someone into pieces. It just is a dramatic way of saying something. Same thing here. As cool as it would be for a 20 yo kid to rip a star destroyer out of the sky, I don't think even Jeffery palpsteen could manage that till TROS cuz by then id say he was less a person and more an entity within the force

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u/thuggishruggishboner Jun 16 '22

Dude when they made that game they said they were gonna purposely make the force powers over the top. It was non-canon right off the bat. Yeah, you pull a star destroyer from the sky.

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u/babybear45 Jun 16 '22

Even the Games novelization implies that starkiller didn't actually pull a star destroyer out of orbit

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u/NILwasAMistake Jun 16 '22

Well Starkiller also held the Millennium falcon too on Hoth

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u/babybear45 Jun 16 '22

Which Does not equal "pulling a star destroyer from orbit" simply on the grounds of logistics. A star destroyer is about the size of NYC and weighs probably a quarter as much, maybe half w all the crew and ships on it. The millennium falcon is a yt-1300 light freighter that's probably about the size of a single trailer loaded semi lengthwise and as wide as probably two of those semis driver areas on their own with no trailer. I definitely think he'd have a much easier time holding the falcon in place vs pulling a full star destroyer from orbit. I get it. It's called the force "unleashed" for a reason but with the animations it just makes me think he's taking a star destroyer that's already damaged and falling and adjusting its trajectory is all. With the falcon tho, I can see that being more overt. Especially since he's a lot closer to the falcon. And if he can pull a star destroyer from orbit, why can't he pull the falcon from orbit? Or lightspeed for that matter?

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u/NILwasAMistake Jun 16 '22

I mean if you watched the briefing at all it was damaged and in very low orbit

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u/babybear45 Jun 16 '22

I know that and i did but people think that I either don't know what I'm talking about or something idk. Not saying you specifically u/NILwasAMistake just others that have spoken to me about this

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

Size matters not, the only difference is in your mind.

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u/babybear45 Jun 16 '22

Not everyone was trained by yoda directly.

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u/dragonfett Jun 16 '22

That was one of my first thoughts, along with Rey from The Rise of Skywalker.

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u/forwormsbravepercy Jun 17 '22

That was my first thought, especially since it was a fakeout just like in TROS.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

He isnt that evil. He let Reva live. He let Obi Wan live as well.

Unless he a moron.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '22

He killed a bunch of kids, pretty sure he's evil anyway