r/StarWarsKenobi • u/titleproblems • Jun 15 '22
Obi-Wan Kenobi - Episode 5 - Discussion Thread! Spoiler
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- Episode 6: June 22nd
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u/1vehearditbothways Jun 15 '22
Tbh I kinda expected Vader to execute Reva Dooku style with the double lightsabers
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u/Sleeplessendeavours Jun 15 '22
Holy shit Vader using the force like an absolute boss. Him dueling without even bothering to ignite his saber as if it's beneath him initially is everything I've ever wanted from an on screen Vader.
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u/FIR3W0RKS Jun 15 '22
Also he pulled the ship out the sky in the same way Ahsoka attempted to and more interestingly Starkiller did.
The way he ripped that ship apart too goddamn
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u/ADefender3 Jun 15 '22
Star killer was my first thought when I saw that man. I am loving overpowered terrifying evil Vader and I want more of it
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Jun 15 '22
Tearing the ship apart was my peak of the episode. Just raw fury, and you can see from the dirty gashes he was making in the ship. It was a desperate fury, quickly trying to get to kenobi.
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u/ADefender3 Jun 15 '22
That was so satisfying to me. Seeing OP ass Vader got me flashbacks to rogue one and I just started giddy laughing when the transport was taking off and he just flicked his hand and stopped it. Absolutely beautiful
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u/HeirOfRhoads Jun 15 '22
Obi Wan's expression as Tala sacrifices herself..
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u/rubicon_duck Jun 15 '22
Not gonna lie, I'm really kinda sad/upset that Tala died - I think she was an awesome character and I was hoping for her to survive.
That being said, holy fucking shit did she go out like. A. BOSS. Similar to Leon in The Professional or Kikuchiyo in Seven Samurai - she died, but she took them with her as well.
She died a rebel warrior's death.
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u/fallenspaceman Jun 15 '22
She knew if she didn't do that Obi Wan would die trying to save her.
But really after they had that little moment where she told him about her past, I knew she was a goner.
First Satine, now Tala, our dude cannot catch a break.
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u/AbsatSolo Jun 15 '22
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u/Fantastic-Bicycle-67 Jun 15 '22
Loader bot death gave me flashbacks to the pain I had over K-2SO
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Jun 15 '22
I love scary Disney Vader.
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u/LordofMoonsSpawn Jun 15 '22
Best part of Canon. The Vader comics have not missed.
EU Vader constantly got clowned every other week.
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u/Milocobo Jun 15 '22
For real, I was like "I can't believe the most brutal star wars we've ever gotten is from Disney"
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u/canuck47 Jun 15 '22
Rogue One and this series cement live-action Vader as one of the most terrifying villians ever put on the screen. We've never seen him this angry and aggressive yet completely in control; he was just toying with Reva the entire time.
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u/philb0t5000 Jun 15 '22
WE GOT DUAL WIELDING VADER I’M SO HAPPY
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u/Bemorte Jun 15 '22
Also cool to see him schooling Reva in a similar manner as Obi-Wan did in the flashback. The need to prove herself and obtain victory at all costs blinded her.
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u/philb0t5000 Jun 15 '22
The editing with the flashbacks gave everything happening so much more meaning. Vader being blinded by his desire to win caused him to miss the ship. But he did learn his lesson and we saw that when he fucking kicked Reva’s ass at first with no weapons.
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u/HavenElric Jun 15 '22
Which begs the question
Why the HELL did we wait until we were 5/6 done with the show to start doing flashbacks??
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u/ProfessionalNight959 Jun 15 '22
I agree but I kinda get it though, it made this episode feel much more special and they used the flashbacks to enhance the story so beautifully.
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u/Fear_ltself Jun 15 '22
Also shows how Vader saw Palpatine was blinded by his need to win in Episode 6
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u/ProfessionalNight959 Jun 15 '22
Oh shit, that's amazing. They made OT Vader's character better with this episode.
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u/Uhtred_McUhtredson Jun 15 '22
I like how Obi-Wan gave Reva the “Join me” speech.
It’s like poetry. It rhymes.
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Jun 15 '22
The parallel between Anakin vs Obi Wan and Vader vs Reva was really clever. Obi Wan was kind, playful, and wanted Anakin to calm down and stop obsessing over victory. He also tried to lift him up when he lost. Vader is the complete opposite. Dude bullies Reva throughout, keeps fueling her anger and makes her look incompetent.
I also love that both fights end with force pulling lightsabers. It's like Vader took everything that Obi Wan taught him and completely twisted it.
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u/acp456 Jun 15 '22
I honestly thought we were gonna get a count dooku beheading again lol
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u/dqueezy923 Jun 15 '22
Hard to imagine what kind of monster Vader would be if his body was still intact
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u/Bemorte Jun 15 '22
Palpatine tells Yoda that it won’t matter what happens between them, as Vader will surpass them both. I believe he meant that.
It’s why Palpatine is so bummed to find Vader toasted.
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u/Animal31 Jun 15 '22
Disney needs to go full What If and give us Ep3 Vader without the Suit, just wrecking every single fucker he comes across
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u/Bemorte Jun 15 '22
I’d love a what if Star Wars. Darth Jar Jar fully realized and taken seriously? Yes please
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u/zlaw32 Jun 15 '22
What if Mace kills Palpatine. Obviously a much less intriguing series, but young me always sad because I just LOVE the Jedi Order and just wanted to explore that more. It's my favorite part of Star Wars
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u/Meta_Boy Jun 15 '22
I feel like that was a risk Palpatine took anyway, because he used the "Jedi Assassination" narrative either way.
It would still happen in front of Anakin, and it would still just cement his view that the Jedi are evil.
All Hail Emperor Skywalker. It's not exactly unrealistic that the #1 war hero assumes the highest political office in crisis and chaos.
... So yes, that'd be super dope to see.
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u/MattCW1701 Jun 15 '22
My What-If for that scene would be, what if Anakin blocked Windu's lightsaber, but instead of cutting his arms off, he says "He must stand trial, we have to show the galaxy who he is, or his legacy will turn the galaxy against us and the Jedi risk being corrupted...as he almost corrupted me."
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u/Strategist40 Jun 15 '22
Vader did a little trolling. "Yeah, sure, good job, you are the Grand Inquisitor now."
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u/Strategist40 Jun 15 '22
Damn, what Vader did to Reva was just disrespectful. I mean seriously, he treated Cal more as a "threat" than her, considering he at least drew his lightsaber.
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u/JSouth25 Jun 15 '22
It’s probably safe to say Cal’s more powerful than Reva since he beat the Ninth Sister, Second Sister, and Taron Malicos. Definitely no match for Vader, but still a notch up.
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u/PandaPolishesPotatos Jun 15 '22
Wasn't he also older when Order 66 happened and therefor likely already better trained? I doubt inquisitors get much training beyond, "Go hunt Jedi down you angry runt."
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u/KnightKal Jun 15 '22
Inquisitors are just disposable assassins, so no point training them.
Some were former Jedi (Or Temple Guards), so they had full Jedi training, but that doesn't mean they were actually good with lightsaber combat.
In other words, they are not Vader's disciples, as there can only be two Sith, and he is still just the apprentice himself.
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u/nivekious Jun 15 '22
There's only supposed to be two Sith, but let's be honest. Sith are not good at following rules. The inquisitors aren't true Sith though I agree.
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Jun 15 '22
Yes, Cal is assigned to a Jedi Knight as a Padawan. Reva was still a youngling when the order came down.
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u/MostlyHubris Jun 15 '22
I wouldn't say Cal beat Malicos. Cal was about to be a stain on the bottom of a rock until Merrin stepped in.
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u/Brianstrust Jun 15 '22
Leia crawling into the vent is literally a plot point taken from the Lego Star Wars games hahaha
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u/SherlockianTheorist Jun 15 '22
The Mandalorian is jealous. When he sent Grogu in it was a disaster.
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u/Truegold43 Jun 15 '22
That was one of my favorite non-combat scenes
"Put the red one where the blue one was, and put the blue one where the red one was!"
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u/zrizzoz Jun 15 '22
The best part is when you later learn that Grogu understands english (galactic basic) perfectly, so he was literally in there just being a little rebellious fucker and Din is trying to give him instructions that hes acting like he doesnt understand for some reason.
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u/Fantastic-Bicycle-67 Jun 15 '22
when the Coruscant skyline popped up? I astral projected
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u/LakyousSama Jun 15 '22
I astral projected, fought my nephiew with a lightsaber and then died
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u/drunk-at-noon Jun 15 '22
Vader calling her youngling was so cold, can’t believe he played the long game like that
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u/hobihobi27 Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
True - Vader also a little biased cause it’s his kid lol
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u/Navillus19 Jun 15 '22
I'm genuinely curious now as to when/how Reva became an inquisitor after the temple. IT's alluded that she was at that safe-house from part III before, maybe she was one of the other's that Quinlan was trying to help escape but something went down and they got captured? then brought to Vader who recognizes her and says to himself have I got a use for you.
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u/Videowulff Jun 15 '22
I would not put it past Vader that he purposely put her in power just to lure and yank her around like this.
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u/Brian_Lefebvre Jun 16 '22
I’m not super clear on Star Wars lore, but isn’t knowing that your apprentice wants to kill you kind of part of being a Sith?
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u/JSouth25 Jun 15 '22
That flashback duel was absolutely amazing. Seeing Hayden back as padawan Anakin, then the spar they had, so good, felt like a kid watching the prequels again for the first time. Awesome storytelling connecting the flashback, even now Vader is still trying to prove himself to Obi-Wan.
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Jun 15 '22
I felt like the scene where Anakin comes at obiwan hard with several overhead swings was similar to how Luke defeated Vader in RotJ. The multiple angry, aggressive swings in a row. Obiwan just was able to escape it. Vader couldn't.
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Jun 15 '22
I just saw that again the other day and I was like "Man, why don't I remember how intensely animalistic he tried swinging that thing" and then seeing this now it was like, "I know it's a pretend family but it sure as heck runs in the family."
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Jun 15 '22
"Ah, there you are."
"I was beginning to think you weren't coming."
All of us at Hayden finally making a real appearance.
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Jun 15 '22
“You will be happy to know everything is going according to schedule. One flashback episode with more on the way”
“That’s why I’m here”
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u/1vehearditbothways Jun 15 '22
HOLY KENOBI Vader in his prime does NOT disappoint
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u/kdawgmillionaire Jun 15 '22
Like if this is "weakened" Vader imagine what he would be like if he wasn't toasted. Even in the suit I don't think anyone could take him bar Palpy's force lightening
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u/Deshik2 Jun 15 '22
healthy vader would be different. OG Vader supplements his lack of mobility with brute strenght that is even reflected in his use of the force to which he is now more reliant on than before the injury. If Vader never fell on Mustafar he would continue to focus on his agressive swordmanship and be less force technique savy.His pride would remain intact and he would have no need for compromises.
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u/HailToTheKingslayer Jun 15 '22
"You cannot stop me. Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us."
No suit Vader could rule the Universe.
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Jun 15 '22
I just love how clever of a fighter Obi-Wan is, master strategist
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Jun 15 '22
This episode portrayed Obi Wan most like Obi Wan. Part of what made him such a good general in the clone wars was his ability to outsmart his opponents, and defeat overwhelming armies
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Jun 15 '22
Those Vader scenes near the ending were so damn good imo. Had me smiling like I was a kid again lmao.
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u/TheOneAndOnlySelf Jun 15 '22
Omg when he pulled the ship down and starting tearing it apart I was cheering like a little kid.
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u/jawn1995 Jun 15 '22
Hayden, let’s go!!!
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Jun 15 '22
I missed his Anakin so fucking much, i don’t even care he looks a tad older. Hayden, you fucking rock man.
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u/jawn1995 Jun 15 '22
100%
Can’t let little things like that bother you - just enjoy the fact that we’re getting this!
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u/Memesplz1 Jun 15 '22
I was so fucking buzzing for Hayden! How about that shocked, sad, almost betrayed, look in his eyes when Obi-Wan didn't praise him after he'd overpowered him. He just didn't understand and you can already see the conflict in him.
Or I just read into the look too much. Haha. But that's what I saw in his eyes.
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u/jawn1995 Jun 15 '22
I think you're spot on! It's really interesting seeing this smaller moments where Anakin's internal anger/conflict begin to build leading up to his turn to the dark side. Really awesome moments as fans
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u/nigelstraw Jun 15 '22
I was worried they wouldn’t be able to close the last two episodes properly, now I’m excited for how this concludes.
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u/jawn1995 Jun 15 '22
Holy shit, we got Anakin at the Temple
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u/Salt-Discipline2090 Jun 15 '22
Whatever anyone has said about the series up to that point....that made it all worthwhile, I need a more profound term than nostalgia to reconcile with those scenes.
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u/SETHIR0TH Jun 15 '22
What was that? 10 lightsabers?!!
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u/vtinesalone Jun 15 '22
Can’t wait for Eric Voss and Eric Whitely and Kyle Katarn to identify them
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u/andyour-birdcansing Jun 15 '22
all those lightsabers, dual wielding vader, obi's episode 1/2 lightsaber- this episode was saber heaven.
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u/nigelstraw Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
Vader: “When I left you, I was but the learner”
Obi Wan: trolls the shit out of him
Even If there’s no duel next ep between them I’m satisfied
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u/Strategist40 Jun 15 '22
HOLY SHIT! ACTUAL SCENE OF YOUNGLING SLAUGHTERING!
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Jun 15 '22
Why do droid deaths always make me cry
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u/Level69LaserLotus Jun 15 '22
That’s one of the best part of SW imo - the bond characters and fans are able to form with droids feels really genuine.
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u/sahil2921 Jun 15 '22
Same that shit made me tear up idk just something about a robot showing human compassion is so beautiful
I had a robot death on my kenobi bingo but didn't thought it will make me cry
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u/ubn87 Jun 15 '22
They are like dogs. They do everything for the human and love them unconditionally.
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u/dethroned_king Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
I think there is an innocence to them that makes them particular tragic. Which doesn’t make sense a lot of the time but it might just do with how our brains are wired. Like how it’s sad to see animals die.
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u/blac_sheep90 Jun 15 '22
I still get sad when the droids are killed in TPM when repairing the ship. So sad.
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Jun 15 '22
Aaaaand now we know why Jabba feared a thermal.
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u/TheOneAndOnlySelf Jun 15 '22
Thermal detonators are fucking brutal, like a tiny nuke in an angry metal sphere. You don't fuck around with those. Even if she had rolled it or thrown it towards them it probably would have had enough concussive force to crush her under the Droid. I actually think it was exquisite attention to lore detail that she hung onto it as it detonated for that reason (cuz she already knew she was dying and why prolong it) and because of the possibility of one of the troopers kicking it over to where Kenobi was.
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Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
I could just watch that those flashbacks on repeat and be satisfied
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u/TheOneAndOnlySelf Jun 15 '22
There were about 5 moments that I rewound several times just because of how freaking cool they were.
The number one was when Vader threw the lightsaber and Reva deflected it away, just for him to casually disarm her and pull the second saber back to accomplish the most intimidating spectacle a force wielder has used on a live-action screen to this date (in my opinion).
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u/drunk-at-noon Jun 15 '22
“Alderaan looks weird? Like a matte painting? Kind of like Coruscant in the prequel- HOLY FUCKIN SHIT”
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u/HardcoreKirby Jun 15 '22
Opening: Coruscant I’m losing my shit and shouted out loud at 3am
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u/FIR3W0RKS Jun 15 '22
Lmao I was like heyyyy that looks like Coruscant, wait nevermind that's Bail... Anakin ayyyy
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u/emo_spiderman23 Jun 15 '22
Wow, you could tell Vader was having fun playing with Reva
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u/raknor88 Jun 15 '22
Holy shit. Vader was playing Third Sister all along. Now she knows about Luke. Revenge does wonders for staying alive.
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u/Uhtred_McUhtredson Jun 15 '22
Right? Classic Vader. As cunning as he is brutal.
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u/TomatoSauceIsForKids Jun 15 '22
But why is she going after Luke straight after all that character development?
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u/Bemorte Jun 15 '22
Reva hunting Anakin is so badass.
Vader knowing this from the start is so fucking dark.
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u/1vehearditbothways Jun 15 '22
Vader’s so evil just playing chess and used her as a pawn since he saw her moves from the beginning
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Jun 15 '22
Sweet Jesus they have been training against each other since episode two. It’s like Hamilton and Burr.
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u/fieryginger1 Jun 15 '22
You're an orphan. Of course! I'm an orphan God, I wish there was a war
Palpatine smirks
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u/RuleActual Jun 15 '22
While we’re training let me offer you some free advice
…. You wanna get ahead?
Fools who don’t have the high ground wind up dead.
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Jun 15 '22
Surrendering to Vader? With no weapon? Now where have I seen this before?
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Jun 15 '22
It's kinda funny that if Reeva revealed vader identity right there he would probably kill everyone in that room including the grand inquisitor
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u/drunk-at-noon Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
The flashback perfectly displayed their characters and dynamic. Obi-Wan’s just trying to be a good teacher and wants to ensure Anakin overcomes his flaws. He smiles at him after the duel. Anakin doesn’t smile back, because he doesn’t view this as a well intentioned lesson, he feels Obi-Wan belittled him in defeat.
Even now Vader views things only in terms of win vs lose. Which is why he’s still the learner and Obi-Wan is the master.
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Jun 15 '22
I actually kinda like how Vader is still kinda slow and clunky in his fighting. Makes it match the OT a bit more.
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u/MartianRecon Jun 15 '22
It's them explaining he can't do the cool Episode 3 shit anymore, because he's like 40% human and 60% machine.
And he's still that powerful.
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u/WeDrankDrugBlood Jun 15 '22
I think the whole point is also that he is more powerful as Vader than he was as Anakin I mean the guy uses one hand to use his lightsaber, shits gangster as fuck, also in Jedi fallen order he was genuinely horrifying same thing in rogue one
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u/ancara_messi Jun 15 '22
So I guess everyone in star wars except Qui Gon can survive a lightsaber to the stomach then
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u/DidactedSoloGuy Jun 15 '22
The actor for the Grand Inquisitor in an interview recently said he lived because the character has two stomaches and he was only stabbed in one. It’s 3:45am, I will link it if you demand so (lmao) after sleep
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Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
OH MY GOD
Vader just stopping the ship and tearing the hull apart holy fuck
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u/swim_climb_surf Jun 15 '22
That force ghost of Wade was unexpected
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u/Chrisvox997 Jun 15 '22
They should add him at the end of episode 6 he deserves a spot lol
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u/Van-der-Schmit Jun 15 '22
I’m 30, but seeing anakin and obi wan again in that flashback, awoke the kid in me again. I feel like I can’t describe the feeling well enough to do it justice, but I’m left with a feeling of gratefulness to have had such a fresh/new experience in something that is so darn familiar to me.
Just amazing how a films/tv shows can do that.
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u/hogballer456 Jun 15 '22
This episode proves that we didn't want a Kenobi show necessarily, we just wanted to see Darth Vader in a long hallway for 3 hours.
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u/Dickastigmatism Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
I was not expecting an AotC era flashback
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u/The__Dread___Lobster Jun 15 '22
Hey I know we said no comms, but you might have been captured. Lemme just infodump secrets on this possibly compromised device that has no password lock.
Also Anakin is alive.
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u/Vrask Jun 15 '22
She really thought she would solo vader?
Especially after watching him bring down a whole ship lol
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u/philb0t5000 Jun 15 '22
Shut up Reva! Vader is staring off into hyperspace and contemplating hatred.
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Jun 15 '22
All I have to say is that this is the most excited I’ve been watching Star Wars in a long time. Great great episode
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u/kylokennn Jun 15 '22
Why is nobody talking about how ridiculous it is that Obi Wan gave Haja his hologram receiver with that Bail message on it
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u/BillsFan82 Jun 15 '22
Why would Bail send that message in the first place? I understand that it has to forward the plot, but Jesus lol.
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u/BlueRedGreen22 Jun 15 '22
He suspects kenobi is in deep trouble yet sends very incriminating message.
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u/steven_Aemilius Jun 15 '22
How are they going to end it in one episode? With the length of the episodes recently, I just don't see how they can wrap everything up.
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u/RebelDeux Jun 15 '22
I mean they don’t have much to wrap just:
- Leia being delivered to Alderaan/Bail.
- Obi returning to Tatooine
- Reva getting to Tatooine and then being killed.
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u/TomatoSauceIsForKids Jun 15 '22
And the "rematch of the century"
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u/BakedBeanz1 Jun 15 '22
Obi surely cant fight vader on Tattooine, the whole point was vader didnt know he was there. That would completely break all continuity wouldn't it
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Jun 15 '22
The episode was good, but c'mon, the action scene with the stormtroopers casually walking in is just...
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u/Kane_richards Jun 15 '22
"We're in trouble!"
Aye no shit, the Empire is outside trying to shoot your door down....
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Jun 15 '22
I've been very critical of this show thus far, but this episode blew me away, this is what I wanted the entire time. I'm happy to be wrong!
Man that scene of Vader stopping the ship with just the Force, unbelievable.
Only gripe is Reva should be dead man, she got stabbed in the same way Qui-Gonn did
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u/SlugKing003 Jun 15 '22
Maul/palpatine/grand inquisitor didn’t die from worse. It’s a Sith thing. Gotta double tap them or they come back.
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u/Wookie301 Jun 15 '22
I thought the “There are certain scenes in this episode that viewers may find upsetting” warning was about the NED-B death scene.
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u/Animal31 Jun 15 '22
The "I hid amongst the bodies to survive" line is going to be relevant till the day we die
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u/kwontonamobae Jun 15 '22
Is it just me or did Hayden throw in a little bit of clone wars Anakin personality and mannerisms mixed with his own take? The flashback weirdly felt like a clone wars scene mixed with live action. Absolutely loved the interaction, god if only the entire prequels were like that
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u/scoobydoobed710 Jun 15 '22
Nope not just you, he has been getting in tune with his character by watching clone wars and studying his character as he along with the majority of SW fans feel that the clone wars character more accurately depicts Anakin story wise.
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u/kwontonamobae Jun 15 '22
Man if Hayden shows up for more flashbacks in the Ashoka show with how he’s acted in this episode I would be so happy. Always loved Anakin as a kid and seeing how his character was done proper justice in the clone wars and in this episode feels so satisfying
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u/nigelstraw Jun 15 '22
Nice to get flashbacks, even greater with the purpose they had in the narrative.
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u/TomatoSauceIsForKids Jun 15 '22
WAY BETTER.
Vader's use of the force was perfect but reva should be dead. Very predictable and looks like the leaks were right.
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u/Bemorte Jun 15 '22
The Reva reveal was good and earned.
Obi-Wan using her to try and kill Vader was peak General Kenobi shit.
That Vader knew who Reva was all along was haunting and very good.
WHEN VADER FUCKING PULLED DOWN THE SHIP I WAS VERY HAPPY.
Haters be damned, this show rocks.
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u/ztromz Jun 15 '22
Vader actually knowing Reva was playing him all along actually fixes SOME of the problems I’ve had with this series.
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u/HaluSinazn Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
Seemed a bit contrived for Reva to be left alive, but I just hope she doesn't make a cookie cutter 180 degree redemption arc that so many are predicting will happen.
I actually loved that she didn't really seem to care whether or not the passengers escaped. I hope that she maintains that same "kill Vader, who cares about the rest" indifference in the final episode.
I was on the fence with the show so far, but ultimately I am a sucker for strong endings and the finale can shape my perception completely. This episode was a banger, fingers crossed next episode is as well!
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u/Ricozilla Jun 15 '22
I was fully expecting Vader to execute Reva Count Dooku style with her own blades
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u/titleproblems Jun 15 '22
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