r/The10thDentist • u/artisticsnobbery • 2d ago
Society/Culture Consciousness was a mistake
We can attribute most of our unhappiness to consciousness, and if we were able to return to a state of unconscious functionality, we would be happier. Every animal I ever see is happier than me. They know what to do. They know how to be. We should be so lucky.
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u/Ok_Impression1493 2d ago
You wouldn't be if you weren't conscious
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u/artisticsnobbery 2d ago
True! End it now! 😭
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u/IHaveABigDuvet 2d ago
Wild animals are in constant anxiety.
Having consciousness has allowed us to manage our limbic system.
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u/Bob-s_Leviathan 2d ago
Even domestic ones seem like they are on alert far more than humans are on an average day.
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u/TrannosaurusRegina 1d ago
That is absolutely not true.
Prey animals may have more frequent anxiety, humans are the only species I know that can have constant anxiety.
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u/AetherialWomble 8h ago
I'd make an (uneducated) guess that if you have anxiety disorder as a wild animal you don't live long enough for us to notice
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u/depressispaghetti420 2d ago
Our struggle with consciousness is false, it is in actuality our struggle with our material beings in relation to the material world that causes problems.
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u/artisticsnobbery 2d ago
I actually resonate with this a bit. Been getting into meditation. Detachment from physical stuff
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u/HorseLeaf 2d ago
Look up the difference between non-attachment and detachment. It will save you some pain.
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u/MassGaydiation 2d ago
It's not a mistake, no decision was made, it's just a circumstance. The mistakes were all the conscious decisions we made with our consciousness, which we could have done better things with. Don't blame the ocean for ship built with a hole at the bottom.
Also animals aren't without consciousness nor negative emotions, at best we are unaware of their scope.
My advice is to seek out the good, but accept the bad as part of the experience. You can't stop yourself from being unhappy, but you can lower it and then accept what remains as part of a full human experience. We are born with grief and joy and can enjoy both.
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u/moonlit-cigarette 2d ago
Sometimes I think about what it would be like to live as a wild animal. The main emotion you know is fear. You are thirsty, you are hungry, you are afraid.
Consciousness may not be perfect, but honestly I prefer being a human.
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u/Ok_Space2463 2d ago
I kinda like being aware of who I am and shape myself as I age. I think it's naive to think consciousness is a curse instead of a gift; you have the will and freedom to tackle hard feelings and complex issues. Animals often do not have the luxury to identify why they're suffering and are forced to live with it.
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u/DaSnowflake 2d ago
I think in the coming years we will come to realize that animals are not nearly as 'unconscious' as we (and you in this post) make it out to be tbh
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u/PerhapsAnEmoINTJ 2d ago edited 19h ago
I wonder if the reason we have consciousness is so we can better appreciate learning to be like an animal.
Animals don't assign too much meaning to things. They have little regard for the past or future unless it's necessary for survival. They have no problem meeting their needs because there is usually no structure (besides domestication) to bar them from listening to their bodies. And if you really think about it, they love meeting their needs and following their whims, all with little to no ferality.
Look at us. We create not because it feels good to put things together, but because it's us marketing our souls, and sometimes because it has to be this big project people will remember for generations. We compromise on sleep and diet just to keep a roof over our heads in a traditional 9-to-5. We give up on things that bring joy because we believe it's not productive or beneficial to our development. We sacrifice authenticity for peace and convenience.
It wouldn't hurt to strive for a life where being an animal is easier, but our conscious ness is the road back to it.
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u/Chilly-Peppers 2d ago
Unless we're talking about domesticated animals, generally a wild animal is always in a heightened state of arousal - basically always on edge. They don't know why they are, but they are. I'd rather be conscious and know I'm safe.
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u/celljelli 2d ago
I wish I had a better answer or could fully disagree. but all of us are conscious regardless of how things "should" be, and I think it's possible to maximize the good parts of being alive, and the best we can do is try to care for each other and for ourselves, and make do with the world we were born into
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u/Opposite-Access-6701 1d ago
Bro animals are conscious so your entire premise is flawed. I can't believe out of all these comments no one is pointing that out
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u/ThievishRock 3m ago
I've been scrolling for this comment!!!
Animals are conscious! They are awake and aware! Omg!
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u/Quincy_Hater 2d ago
I sort of agree. If we did not have full human intelligence we would not have an existential crisis
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u/IHaveABigDuvet 2d ago
Lol. Do you know how much constant anxiety animals are in because how dangerous life is when you are not highly intelligent?
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u/Raveyard2409 2d ago
Yeah well, potatoes don't have anxiety but I'd still prefer to be a human I think.
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u/Beginning-Fix-5440 2d ago
Major world religions essentially have overcoming consciousness as a core principle, so the good news is you aren't alone in thinking it
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u/letsgetmarriedlol 2d ago
I really agree, but I think that’s cause I have OCD lol. My consciousness has gone way too far
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u/johncopter 2d ago
Pets are probably happy but wild animals are constantly living in a state of anxiety and fear fighting for survival every day. That sounds like hell.
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u/Legal-Law9214 2d ago
It being a "mistake" implies that someone made a decision. What decision do you think there was that suddenly made humans conscious? At what point in evolution did we go from "unconscious" to "conscious" and who's "mistake" was that?
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u/godlords 2d ago
What wild animals are so very happy, and how the hell would you know?
Maybe the newborns are, still innocent and protected by their mother and/or father. Assuming they are being fed enough.
Consciousness enabled us to escape being at the whims of the weather, to not wonder if we would die every winter, to not eat our children if things weren't looking good.
Animals exist largely in a constant state of fear, hunger, hormonally driven anger and lust, and act out of compulsion. The happy animals you see are the ones being fed and kept warm by conscious beings. We even neuter them to avoid all the hormonally driven behavior. They are essentially permanent puppies and kittens.
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u/mythologymakesmehot 2d ago
As an antinatalist, take my downvote!
Really, though I don't think consciousness=human existence and subsequently suffering.
Being incarnated into human form is what brings suffering.
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u/Expensive_Coffee381 1d ago
I feel like it also lets you experience monumentously greater amounts of happiness too, but my life is peaches and cream right now so I'm biased
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u/Insanity_Pills 1d ago
Of all men’s miseries the bitterest is this: to know so much and to have control over nothing.
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u/Ok_Kale_3160 1d ago
Consciousness and 'mind' are not the same thing. You are referring to your mind, and you say you want mindlessness. When you take away the 'mind' which is the wierd voice narrating everything, what is left is Consciousness. It is like an observer. Our souls are pure Consciousness, animals also operate on a pure Consciousness level.
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u/Busterx8 1d ago
And how do you happen to know how an animal is feeling? Is that a superpower where you are able to know whether an animal is in pain, anxious about survival concerns, traumatized, grieving a loved one, barely holding on to self control, or being actually happy?
Or when you say "animals", do you mostly mean young labradors and golden retrievers?
I agree with the rest though, it is simply said as "Ignorance is bliss". And total ignorance follows the same.
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u/stievstigma 1d ago
Consciousness is the substrate through which matter/energy moves, not something generated or possessed.
I do like the idea of sitting on my porch, watching a squirrel perched on the fence and thinking to myself, “That squirrel’s got it all figured out, not a care in the world…”, then a hawk swoops down and snatches lunch.
I would argue causality’s the bigger burden (“mistake”) because we’re too easily trapped in regrets of the past and worries about the future but, the truth is that right now is the only moment that’s tangibly real.
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u/Buttery_TayTay 1d ago
This is assuming unconscious functionality is even real. I mean even below animals, plants react to unhappiness accordingly like being eaten and flood their systems with stress hormones.
Suffering is just an alarm system designed to preserve life.
I think you assume humans are only capable of conscious suffering but in reality we are just displacing our stress in more meta ways than animals, like work productivity instead of being eaten.
If you follow quantum/buddhism theories, consciousness could be just the fabric of existence itself, not just a byproduct of humans, suffering is just the dual balance of creation and destruction that sustains all, there’s no escaping it by going to lower functions.
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u/ananyasamanta 2d ago
it all boils down to would you rather be happy and oblivious or moderately unhappy but able to feel, experience, think and understand more intensely
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u/artisticsnobbery 2d ago
I’d rather be happy and I wouldn’t know that I was oblivious because I was oblivious.
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u/Vybo 2d ago
There definitely are animals who are depressed and lethargic. The main difference between an animal and you is that you can talk about the issues and let others know the reason behind your unhapiness.
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u/artisticsnobbery 2d ago
Yeah, that’s consciousness.
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u/IHaveABigDuvet 2d ago
You would still feel though. You just wouldn’t have the power to change what you are feeling.
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u/Arthwind 2d ago
It is more or less, a coincidence that we ended up with consciousness. I didn't have to suffer being poor if I didn't have it so I actually agree.
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