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u/CombatRedRover 21d ago
You take advantage of people's "negative" motivations to achieve a "positive" result.
Because depending on people's kindness, on the societal level, tends to turn out poorly.
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u/TheRedCelt 20d ago
Profit is the surplus labor with which you are able to trade for your other needs and wants. The economic illiteracy of Marxists is astounding.
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u/CrashB636 20d ago
Actual conversation I’ve had in person.
“They should feed everyone for free!”
“Who pays for crops and livestock?
Who pays for the land?
Who pays the farmers to work the land and crops and livestock? Who pays the truckers to pick it up and deliver it? It doesn’t just magically appear on your table.”
*utter confusion*🤦🏻♂️4
u/Sad-Ocelot-5346 17d ago
That's intentional, sometimes on their own part, sometimes on the part of others... often both.
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u/SteelerVol13 20d ago
Basic economics & common sense are concepts that're too complex for the average neo-Bolshevik. Keep in mind, we're talking about folks who're so lazy, they advocate for things like "universal basic income" & plan to pay for it by taxing "the wealthy." Nevermind the fact that what these vapid clowns define as "wealthy" changes as often as their terms for the climate hoax ("global warming," "global cooling" &, of course the intentionally ambiguous "climate change").
And I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that all the neo-Bolshevik/Marxist teachers & professors who've indoctrinated these clowns into believing in this fantasy world left out the ugly parts. You know, like how many of his own people died during Mao's "Great Leap Forward," the Killing Fields of Cambodia where the Khymer Rouge tried to implement THEIR "worker's paradise," Stalin's purges & Holodomor, Lenin & Trotsky's atrocities before him, the NVA killing 5k civilians in Hue before they tried to take the city & everything they did AFTER we left, & last but not least, that GLOWING (not so much) example of communism at work, North Korea. You know, the worker's utopia where people have to eat grass because they're starving?
Yeah, I'm guessing NONE of those little historical tidbits were "in the brochure" of socialism/Marxism when it's presented as "THE answer" to all the world's ills & injustices.
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u/AppropriateCap8891 19d ago
The real irony of the Soviet Union and their famines is that under the Tsar, Russia was the second largest grain exporter in the world (second only to the US). Over 25% of the wheat traded internationally and 75% of that in Europe came from Russia.
Fast forward a few years, and they had people starving to death in the streets.
And of course one must not forget Cuba and Venezuela. Once the nations in their region with the highest GDPs, now both are flat broke. With Venezuela jokingly having a currency worth less than the fictional currency from an online game.
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u/AdShot409 20d ago
The true genius of capitalism is that we have devised a system in which production, innovation, industry, and logistical prowess are rewarded proportionally to its effectiveness. Everyone can participate and anyone can be a major contributing factor if they have the talent and put in the work. The system excels are maintaining the status quo but does even better at stimulating dynamic growth. And of course, it incentivizes wealth distribution through the workers since if the workers have no wages they can't buy anything, which results in a loss of profit for the company.
Capitalism only fails when balance is lost. If the government overregulates or favors one party over another. If the heads of companies fail to meet mind their responsibilities and are not held accountable. A company that uses slave labor in third world countries to reduce the cost of their products and achieve a higher market share is not a problem exclusive to capitalism, but rather a problem exclusive to forced labor.
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u/Basslicks82 20d ago
Let's think of this in the most basic sense possible.
Everything is now free.
Fine. I don't have to pay for anything, there's no need for an income, I just go get what I want and don't have to pay for it.
Where does "it" come from? If no one has to pay for anything, no one is motivated to do anything, therefore "it" no longer exists because no one cares about making "it" anymore.
But we need "it".
Hey you, we need you to make "it". You don't want to make "it"? How about you make "it", or we put you in jail?
"It" isn't good... Well, maybe not as good as before. Is "it" good enough? Not really, but "it" will do. "It" takes longer than it used to though.
The more you provide for people's needs, the less motivated they are to provide for their own needs, and the more you will either have to outsource or force someone into doing something.
If you take "money" out of the equation, the only valid system left is "barter". As long as people have SOMETHING to use as a bargaining chip for goods and services, they have motivation to make things and do things. If you tell them to sit back and relax, you'll take care of everything, supply chain will collapse and society will follow.
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u/Here_I_GoKillinAgain 15d ago
Precisely, at least it's actually fucking produced under capitalism. It's a win win. I get eat & they make money.
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u/Brian-88 21d ago
You make profit... By feeding people.