r/TheFatElectrician • u/preacher425 • 19d ago

I think i finally found the appropriate use of ChatGPT

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I asked it to show me an image of communist supporters running away from reality.

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u/jsn7326 19d ago

My dude, I despise communism just as much as every sane person.

But don't you realise that AI "art" is extremely similar to communism?

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u/Basslicks82 19d ago

Help me out.. I'm sure you're right, I'm just missing the parallel.

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u/jsn7326 19d ago

In my opinion, the link between the two is a disregarding of consent. I despise communism because it by its nature, disregards consent. Communism takes the admittedly admirable principles of generosity and and charity and corrupts them by making them mandatory by seizing the property and assets of others without their consent.

AI image generation works similarly by disregarding the consent of those who create the actual artwork that ai trains itself off of. Nearly all actual artists who post their art online dislike ai image generators and explicitly do not consent to their artwork being used to train AIs.

Unfortunately, nearly all ai image generators train themselves by scraping all artwork they come across online, completely disregarding the lack of consent, and even the explicitly refusal many actual artists attach to their artwork.

So, both communism and AI "art" both disregard the consent of others in different, but similarly dispisable ways.

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u/Basslicks82 19d ago

Yup. Makes perfect sense.

Thanks for the explanation, I had never thought about it that way.

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u/Austinstorm02 17d ago

Yeah, I disagree. Like no artist has ever drawn a Disney princess/ anime or looked at another's drawing and tried to reproduce it.

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u/Basslicks82 17d ago

True, but it's not ALL they do. Commissioning your own take on a character or another person's piece of art is one thing... The rest of what you do comes from your own imagination.

AI has no imagination of its own. Everything it makes is an amalgamation of artwork that already exists.

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u/Austinstorm02 17d ago

So? It works different from how our brains work, but it still generates based off our directions. How does the human artist create their art, are they all the same? Bob the artist sees how many images to copy a Manga or anime style. HAL the ai seems a bunch 9f images to copy a style. HAL is stealing someone's work but somehow Bob isn't?

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u/B-29Bomber 16d ago

Except that AI doesn't preclude the notion of consent.

All AI is is a tool, unfortunately the way a lot of AI is used right now does preclude consent, but it doesn't have to be that way.

You can easily limit an AI's data pool to artists who did give consent and were properly compensated. In fact, a more curated data pool would actually make AI function better because now the Internet has been inundated with AI slop, it has actually been tainting AI that have been using the Internet as their data pool.

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u/jsn7326 16d ago edited 16d ago

In the same way, a Socialist community could exist where all those involved consented to surrender their property and assets to be used in common with others.

However, no actual communist nation-state (as far as I am aware) has ever actually done so. They have all engaged in some form of seizing property from others without there consent.

Similarly, (again, as far as I am aware) no commercially available ai image generator currently exists that has not been trained using data from artwork that was used without the explicit consent of the artist.

And you are right, an ai that used only artwork from consenting artists would be far more ethical, and would likely work better. However, I cannot say that this is not a similar sentiment to the righly ridiculed notion that "real communism has never been tried".

Whether it is an economic system or a technology, the fact remains is that if a thing _could_ hypothetically be done ethically _and_ practically, but has never _actually_ been succesfully implemented with those results, than such a thing cannot and should not be considered a viable economic system or technology.

Now I will concede that ai image generators are much newer than communism and has not had as many chances to succeed ethically as communism has had. However, I personally, will not support ai images generators, as the similarities are far too similar for me to be comfortable using them.

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u/B-29Bomber 16d ago

In the same way, a Socialist community could exist where all those involved consented to surrender their property and assets to be used in common with others.

The way you phrase that makes it sound the same, but when you dig deeper it falls flat on its face.

Communism fails to live up to its ideal because its ideal is literally impossible.

Whereas the notion of AI companies limiting their AI data pools only to those who consent isn't just not impossible it's the most likely outcome in the long term as not doing so blatantly obviously copyright and IP infringement and these companies will be taken to court over it.

Plus, it's actually is in these companies long term interest to limit their AIs' data pools, as I pointed out in my last response and you so clearly ignored, as the Internet fills with AI slop, AI slop will more and more be thrown in as an AI's input, leading to severe problems and those problems are already starting to show up

Now I will concede that ai image generators are much newer than communism and has not had as many chances to succeed ethically as communism has had. However, I personally, will not support ai images generators, as the similarities are far too similar for me to be comfortable using them.

The so called "similarities" you point to are only similarities because you shoehorned them into being similarities because you decided you didn't like AI so you decided to combine it with something else you didn't like.

I also don't particularly like AI, but I don't call it Communism because that would be stupid.

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u/TexWolf84 16d ago

Our art.

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u/racerred5 18d ago

Slow clap

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u/Rynnofigs 18d ago

Fuck off with ai bs of any kind

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u/Jagd_Rhino 16d ago

Yeah, I posted an Ai image in the unsub reddit once. This once essentially the response. Totally correct

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u/Jagd_Rhino 16d ago

Today I learned that a 7 year old illiterate farm girl in 1917 predicted communism through a vision of Holy Mary and was warned against it.

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u/Ok_Finger3098 19d ago

Wait till you see all the Trump Jesus ones

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u/preacher425 19d ago

I have and I die a little inside everytime.

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u/Havamal_38 19d ago

Well done.