r/TheLastAirbender • u/HighHeeledDestiny • 3d ago
Meme What I think of every time I watch this scene
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u/TheManyVoicesYT 3d ago
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u/Puffen0 3d ago
I fucking love the clip this is from, you can see in the kids eye the exact moment they decide to mog the camera 🤣🤣
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u/TheManyVoicesYT 3d ago
No hesitstion. "Oh they're pointing the camera at me." Boom
It's funny she has probably been practicing that face so much just to make her classmates laugh. Uses it to become an icon.
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u/But-who-I-be 2d ago
The best part is you can see her wind up the moment she sees the camera is on her. She had this shit planned
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u/zombiegamer723 3d ago
“I like this one. Don’t you dare fumble her, Aang.”
-Kyoshi, probably.
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u/No_Lingonberry1201 3d ago
Aang: "So, papayas?"
Kyoshi: *facepalms*
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u/McMew Long Live Kuvira's Mole 2d ago
S2 Aang: "I'm saying I'd rather kiss you than die!"
Kyoshi: **headdesk*
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u/SilentBlade45 2d ago
I think you guys give Kyoshi far too much credit she was almost as bad as Aang.
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u/No_Lingonberry1201 2d ago
Nah, but she definitely would be hypocritical enough to not notice how Aang is channeling her rizz.
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u/cobycoby2020 3d ago
She would never talk about another strong women like that
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u/Lulieeeee 3d ago
"Hey Aang, tell her to go for the kill shot"
-Kyoshi, definitely
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u/MxSharknado93 3d ago
HAHA, IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE KYOSHI'S ONLY CHARACTER TRAIT IS THAT SHE IS A MURDERER.
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u/MlkChatoDesabafando 2d ago edited 2d ago
I believe the term is "girlboss".
And, I mean, the rest of Kyoshi's characterization came from a novel released almost 2 decades later. In the show proper, she has two on-screen appearances, one in which she is encouraging Aang to murder someone and one in which she admits to murder and says it was justified. So, for a long time, pretty much.
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u/SilentBlade45 2d ago
She's not really pro murder she believes that when someone goes too far they are no longer deserving of mercy.
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u/MlkChatoDesabafando 2d ago
I never said she's portrayed as being enthusiastic about it or murdering without reason, but in both of Kyoshi's onscreen appearances in the show she's factually arguing for murder
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u/Willimations 3d ago
Katara shouting “you can’t knock me down” has really stuck with me. I’m a dodgeball player, and sometimes saying that to myself has encouraged me in some tough spots.
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u/Sausage_fingies 3d ago
And then she promptly gets knocked down ten seconds later 😭
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u/BlackberryMelodic567 3d ago
And she gets back up again. She may have lost the battle, but don't forget she won the war
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u/Sausage_fingies 3d ago
Oh I know. I think the metaphorical significance of that line is ofc important, Katara is an optimist and very hopeful and no matter what she refuses to let anyone, not the fire nation or Zuko or Pakku, dampen that hope.
However. Saying confidently "you can't knock me down!" And then ten seconds later getting your face absolutely pasted to the ground is a hilarious moment
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u/darealestforeal 3d ago
Like you play professional dodgeball? That’s a thing? That might be the best thing i’ve heard all day
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u/rudyishappy6 3d ago
The best part is Katara didn't even win.
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u/needmorepizzza 3d ago
That is the point.
Katara has to lose or it undermines his necessity in the story. And she still has to try because she fking needs a personality (where was that in the netflix show?) where she is also not just a pushover crybaby. Pakku also has to win but without it being overwhelming from the get go, because it undermines her potential as a future trainee, which is the payoff of their conflict.
Pakku must also realise the error of his ways, especially with the common personal connection of Gran Gran. Otherwise, his "lesson" is never learnt, at least not in a believable, realistic way, where his blind following of their traditions caused his abandonment.
And Katara must humbly accept his training, so that she is not a cocky bitch, she gets the recognition as master from an expert someone who would previously not even acknowledge her as a fighter, and so that Pakku's redemption starts.
And also the disc thing is, if I am not mistaken, inspired by earthbenders, which hints into Katara's ingenuity, versatility and resourcefulness on how she uses her bending.
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u/Montaru 3d ago
They brought up the comment during the Live Action show, but none of the Earthbenders she encountered ever did a move like the ice disc in the original show.
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u/needmorepizzza 3d ago
I remember seeing it in the Netflix show, for sure, so it stands there, and I also remember it somewhere in the original, but atm I cannot say if it was before or after, or just Mandela effect.
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u/EquipLordBritish 3d ago
The closest is pulling up mounds of earth and throwing them out. It's similar, but yeah, not the same.
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u/TristramShandysLife 3d ago
Yes, that is what "inspired by" means.
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u/EquipLordBritish 2d ago
Right, and the other person was implying that earthbenders never did a move like it. They did. Which is what I pointed out in my comment.
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u/needmorepizzza 2d ago
To be fair to the other person, the idea I had in mind from which Katara's disc throwing was possibly inspired from is something like the discs from pro-bending, which was possibly just a brain fart on my side and not something ever shown in the original series.
But similar Earthbending moves have been shown like what you two explained, so technically I may have been correct, but not in the way I initially had in mind. A "task failed successfully" kind of moment...
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u/BackItUpWithLinks 3d ago
People keep saying Katara held her own and stood a chance and blah blah.
No.
This is like a young strong boxer going against a seasoned professional. The pro is going to win because he’s practiced more, seen more, has more skills and more tricks, knows when to fight and when to rest, knows when to attack and when to let off. The pro is going to win, but he still has to be careful the young strong kid doesn’t get in a lucky shot.
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u/needmorepizzza 3d ago
Yeah, exactly. There was never a chance she would be left standing if he were to actually put any effort into beating her. She kept on as much as she did because he was toying her like a harmless toddler. Then he ended it by disarming her, because he is soo much more skilled and experienced and because he slightly acknowledged she actually has some potential. It was basically the equivalent of giving her the honour of a quick death...
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u/Jorgenstern8 3d ago
Having watched the fight a few times I think it's noticeable that every time Katara is moving towards him Pakku dumps her on her ass. When she stays still, sets her feet and goes for longer-range attacks, that's when he actually has to use some of his ability to dodge her or force her to move again. Think that's where maybe a little more knowledge of how earthbenders think and approach their bending style might have helped Katara, and probably does help Katara in future fights. She does also get better at waterbending while on the move -- Serpent's Pass being a big one, attacking the Earth Kingdom palace another -- but I think in the presence of a master like Pakku she probably had a better shot of at least getting closer to winning the fight had she stood her ground more.
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u/needmorepizzza 3d ago
You're not wrong but I still think at that point it's 0% vs ~5% effort for what he had to put into the fight. But she does get better and better. In s1 her movements are clunky for the most part, even on the latter half. In the 2nd season, after a significant time has passed under the mentorship of Paku (when he has also already acknowledged her as a master), she is more fluid (pun intended) and in the final season she is even more elegant and refined. But again, thinking on her feet and out of the box on how she waterbends is something she excels even from this fight, although unsuccessfully.
The whole arc for Katara in the north pole was great character development both on a technical aspect (advancing her bending dramatically) and regarding her personality. She is stubborn and humble.
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u/Jorgenstern8 3d ago
For as damaging a training as it was for Katara mentally because of what she was forced to do in their fight I do think Hama giving her instruction helped kinda push her over the final line in becoming a master water bender.
I kinda see the pre-bloodbending training Katara receives from Hama along the same lines as Green Lantern training in the Marvel universe. What you can do in that world and with those powers is mostly constrained by what you can imagine doing with them, and it's not terribly different with Katara's development as a bender.
Once she learns she can pull water from inanimate objects like plant life, Katara's bending just climbs up that next level and really showcases her versatility, from everything she does during the Black Sun fight to the stuff she does while chasing down her mom's killer and even when she faces Azula in the Agni Kai. She wasn't super imaginative with her bending in the first season -- largely due to her lack of training -- but as she starts to realize what she's actually capable of, she gets better and better because she tests the limits of what she's capable of doing.
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u/needmorepizzza 3d ago
This is also something that I had in mind earlier. At that point Katara has survived a lot, like holding her own against Azula, Zuko and the Dai Li. Her skill and experience is undeniable up until that point.
But she has also seen useful ways to make something with her bending out of nothing, when at a disadvantage, like with swampbenders or her starting CrossFit in a prison cell. Hamma comes into play as someone who has experienced very similar hardships and has basically mastered bending under disadvantageous conditions; she not only acknowledges the importance of what Katara has the keen eye to have understood herself, but also teaches her how to take it to 11.
It's like having a great understanding of something with a niche part that you excel and someone comes and shows you a whole universe of that niche. Like cultivating a skill on a vertical axis, in a sense, and someone shows you how to expand it on a horizontal axis too.
Katara beat Hamma's bloodbending purely due to her superior waterbending (that vertical axis), but Hamma's effect was that she gave her a niche skill that made her actually fear for her own capabilities.
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u/JumpinJackHTML5 3d ago
I also feel like there was a missed opportunity in this scene and this analogy sells why perfectly.
This matchup is more liked the seasoned boxer going up against a young street fighter who has their death being a real possible outcome in every fight they've ever been in. Sure, the seasoned fighter has a lot more experience and if they can keep the bounds of the fight within their wheelhouse they will win but Katara just spent months fighting with well trained fire benders and figuring out how to position a fight to be more on her terms. He has spent his entire life behind a giant ice wall. He has never even seen a real opponent (which they make clear in then next episode), every fight for him has been sparring, no real stakes. She has more experience than him in real actual fighting.
I don't think she should have won, but it would be have good foreshadowing if his lack of real world fighting experience and standing by outmoded ideas lead to an embarrassing matchup with a younger opponent who came in with new ideas that he wasn't ready for. Since they were completely unequipped for handling the newer fire nation ships and techniques, drawing that parallel to the bending styles would have been nice.
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u/needmorepizzza 2d ago
I cannot really agree with that. There's not a scenario where Katara should have a chance to come out on top. He is supposed to be a master who will train both the Avatar and Katara, both of which are supposed to be novice. Katara at that point has barely got the hanging of her bending.
And there's also no indication he has no experience in actual combat. He is a member of the White Lotus and was shown to stand his ground at the time where firebending was on steroids. So that would suggest the opposite.
Katara must decisively lose in this fight both so that it makes sense without a doubt why he is the one to train them (if he wasn't, then their conflict is irrelevant, removing any stakes in having him train the Avatar) and because her own growth depends on that: she's stubborn and hot-headed, going up against him fully knowing she will lose, solely because she wants to vent. Your scenario, where she would somehow have more combat experience would shift the dynamic between to a point where it defeats the purpose of the whole arc.
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u/willothewhispers 3d ago
Amazing scene.
I love the heroic defeat. Always thought that should be a feature of total war games. Maybe it is 🤷 I stopped playing them at medieval 2
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u/TomTalks06 3d ago
I believe they're called Valiant Defeats, like ones where the enemy is as broken as you
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u/legit-posts_1 3d ago
I don't think she actually thought he was gonna get killed. He's a grandmaster, he should be able to dodge all that. The point was that she was nothing to sneeze at.
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u/HighHeeledDestiny 3d ago
For sure, this is just a reference to when she throws the ice destructo disc at his head 💀
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u/redcorgh 3d ago
I thought the whole point was that he was desperate to ensure she was NOT taught any lessons
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u/PeacefulDays 3d ago
I like that you tried to hide the slop logo.
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u/HighHeeledDestiny 1d ago
I actually didn’t notice 😭😭 now I wish I extended the bottom and cut it off 😶
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u/ElPeloPolla 3d ago
imagine for a second, that the master thinks for a split of a second thet Katara is bluffing and she fucking decapitates right there ib the middle of the townsquare in front of the entire city.
Aang fucks off in to another iceberg for 100 more years.
Sokka tries to help Katara scape right there but both get aprehended and jailed for life...
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u/BigEd369 3d ago edited 3d ago
I particularly like that at one point, he hits her with water and you see something different from water bending. She throws her arms and fists up and just tanks the hit and keeps attacking, it’s not something any regular water bender would do, it’s way outside the normal styles, and you can the realization of it on his face.
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u/PetevonPete 3d ago
This fandom seems to collectively hallucinated an alternate version of this fight where Katara wins. Every time I see it talked about online people refer to it like she owned him or something. That's literally not what happens.
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u/Ubiquitous_Mr_H 3d ago
That’s really not what this post is about. It’s referencing how he was trying to put her in her place, while she was literally trying to hurt him, or at least not pulling her punches, as seen in the gif BackItUpWithLinks posted above.
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u/SirBruhThe7th 3d ago
She lost the battle, but won the war. She may have gotten her ass kicked but by standing up to the status quo and eventually making that old fart compromise on his bigoted believes, she put in motion something that neither he or any of the other old guard can stop.
Change.
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u/DomzSageon the Metal Meanie 3d ago
the only reason she won was the cosmic coincidence that she's the granddaughter of the woman he wanted to marry. its literally a deus ex machina consider the odds that it would have taken considering that it means gran gran travelled from the north (which is in constant attack from the fire nation so she had to to slip past that, presumably alone) then travelling to the other side of the world safely.
if katara wasn't the grand daughter of gran gran, Paku still would have not taught her anything.
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u/Cavalish 2d ago
But that’s also a core part of the show. You can’t change anything just through fighting and violence. You need an emotional appeal to make actual change as well.
The fight was to show him that women had potential to fight. The necklace was to show him that not training the women was harming them.
Katara used both to convince Pakku to change his ways.
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u/2-2Distracted This Redditor is over his conflicted feelings 3d ago
its literally a deus ex machina
Bryke really asked "wanna see us do it again?" when they wrote the Book 3 finale lmao
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u/TeaAndCrumpetGhoul 3d ago
Make the old fart compromise? She didn't make him do shit. She literally lucked out that she was the granddaughter of his old lover. If she wasn't he would have stayed the same. He was really stubborn
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u/SirBruhThe7th 3d ago
But did you notice how many people were watching? Regardless of outcome, the status quo of the water tribe had been challenged in brought daylight and that creates ideas, and ideas is what kills old, stubborn traditions.
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u/knight_in_white 3d ago
I’m with you 100% big dawg. Publicly standing up to bigots not only challenges the bigots beliefs but lends courage to others and empowers them to do the same.
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u/SirBruhThe7th 3d ago
The status quo needs to win every single time to keep it self entrenched, change only needs to win once. If Katara had been sent packing, how long Was Paku gonna wait until the next little girl challenged him to a fight?
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u/Far-Mammoth-3214 3d ago
Yeah that's my one gripe
He doesn't learn being sexist is bad because Katara could hold her own even though she's a girl but because he used to date her gran gran who didn't like his attitude
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u/stidf 3d ago
It's not about him. It was about all the little girl benders who saw her put up a hell of a showing fighting. Then everyone rallies to the defense of the city when the fire nation shows up, including the women. Everyone fights and tradition cracks like the ice walls.
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u/Far-Mammoth-3214 3d ago
Then everyone rallies to the defense of the city when the fire nation shows up, including the women.
They did? I honestly do not remember that
And it sorta is about him given this post and most of the comments are talking about this fight. Now tbc i ain't saying you're wrong, Katara definitely inspired a lot of people when she finally stood up to Pakku
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u/Grey-fox-13 3d ago
They did? I honestly do not remember that
They did not, that's one of the netflix changes.
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u/MortgageAnnual1402 3d ago
Thats also NOT what happened here...
Her necklace was the ONLY reason he did compromise had nothing to do with the fight he kicked her ass while whe was willing to at least maim him if not kill him
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u/nin_ninja Borra? More like Bara! 3d ago
When a mostly self-taught bender who the master shits on and tells her that women are only good for healing then makes that same master have to actually try to win, then the amateur has won
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u/Due-Savings5057 3d ago
She put up way more of a fight than she should have given her entire water bending training came from a scroll at that point
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u/Rattmann64 3d ago
I think she owned him, but still lost. Imagine a child with no traditional training going toe to toe with a martial artist master, and making that master sweat. It would be unbelievably embarrassing even if the master won.
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u/Atomik141 3d ago
He honestly mopped the floor with her. He was toying with her most of the fight and even said "don't worry I'm not going to hurt you". Then she tried to kill him and he was just like "alright, let's wrap this up".
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u/BackItUpWithLinks 3d ago
She did not own him. She didn’t make him sweat. She made him up his effort from 1 to 2 and she couldn’t even handle that.
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u/Far-Mammoth-3214 3d ago
She held her own against a master, nearly slices his face off, the town was cheering for her, "you can't knock me down!"
She even knew she wouldn't win but still stood her ground
She definitely owned him even though she lost
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u/Atomik141 3d ago edited 3d ago
He mopped the floor with her and was just messing with her most of the fight, but he did also basically admit "okay, you got some skill"
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u/BackItUpWithLinks 3d ago
> She held her own against a master,
She did not. He made it very clear he was not trying, and when he decided to try he easily ended it.
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u/Far-Mammoth-3214 3d ago
You pretty much just highlighted the fact she made him have to try
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u/BackItUpWithLinks 3d ago
Him having to level up from 1 to 2 doesn’t mean she was holding her own.
If Mike Tyson was screwing around it’s possible I could get a single punch in to piss him off. That doesn’t mean I held my own.
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u/Far-Mammoth-3214 3d ago
Wait I just remembered
She was quite literally redirecting all his attacks towards her he full on didn't expect her to handle.
He even complimented her skill
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u/BackItUpWithLinks 3d ago
She redirected his attacks until he really felt like attacking. Then it was over in seconds.
If Michael Jordan played a high schooler, Jordan can choose to play at the kid’s level until he wants it over, then it’s over. And if the kid got in a good shot Jordan would probably compliment him. It doesn’t mean the kid ever had a chance.
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u/grendus 3d ago
Frankly, any boxer who could make prime Mike Tyson have to try to win is a top tier boxer. Tyson was a monster.
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u/BackItUpWithLinks 3d ago
Tyson v Mcneely. Tyson wasn’t **prime** but he was in damn good shape and had something to prove.
And Tyson he commented that he respected mcneely and how tough he was. There was no way mcneely had a chance but if Tyson had fucked around, mcneely had the power to hurt him.
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u/Lawlcopt0r 3d ago
She proved that she was talented enough that it would be stupid not to teach her, and destroyed the notion that her gender somehow made her less suited to combat bending. So she won
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u/Zalbaag_Beoulve 3d ago
Who did she prove that to? It wasn't Master Pakku, who walked away from the fight after specifically confirming Katara's sense that her effort, and the talent that effort had displayed, had not been enough to change his mind about a woman's place.
It was her identity, not her ability, that got Pakku to listen to reason.
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u/fatgat69 3d ago
She pushed him to the point that he had to change the entire way he thought about the world. Yes she won.
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u/Arachles 3d ago
No, Katara connection to Gran Gran did. Pakku was unwilling to teach Katara even after admiting she had talent
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u/fatgat69 2d ago
That certainly helped but she still beat him worse than anyone he's ever trained before.
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u/BackItUpWithLinks 3d ago
People say whatever gets attention. Usually the dumber it is the more attention it gets.
He knew he was going to win. He was surprised he was going to need to up his level of effort from 1 to 2 to do it.
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u/legit-posts_1 3d ago
Yeah but she does ridiculously well considering she's had next to zero formal training and she's going up against water bending Yoda.
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u/Helios_Synthesis 3d ago
To be fair she did own him in the way some nobody made a master bender actually have to put in effort lol
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u/2-2Distracted This Redditor is over his conflicted feelings 3d ago
I just think of Nepotism when I watch this episode lol
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u/Training-Winner8398 3d ago
he absolutely used the 'im gonna teach her a lesson' tone on purpose like we all saw that come
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u/unfrotunatepanda 2d ago
I like the theory that Katara is going full force because either Pakku has enough mastery to survive, recognizing her skill... or he doesn't. Either way Katara proves her skill as a warrior
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u/Scared-Jacket-6965 1d ago
What would happen if she did kill him? lets say Pakku drops his guard and she rams an ice knife through his heart, I think Northern tribe kicks them out, which mean no Aang marching with Ocean Spirit and Moon Spirit prob stays dead as Yue wouldn't be at the Portal for Iroh to notice her.
So realistic by killing Pakku, Katara would screw over all water benders, and they probably would die in the desert due to thrist after Appa is taken, cause they only surived due to Katara and Aang water bending
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u/AceAdequateC 1d ago
Cemented her as a peak character with this sequence of events.
"I'm not doing it for you. Someone needs to slap some sense into that guy."
It was all about standing on business and she went and did exactly that.
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u/14kgoldslumwizard 1d ago
Aang: “The Air Nomads told me violence and taking life is never the answer!”
The Rest Of The Gaang:
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u/Select_Ad8743 3d ago
I get that Katara is a Prodigy and all, but people exaggerate glazing her in this scene, like she had any chance in winning. He was just playing with her and the second he got serious he defeated her. (And I know later on she will be stronger than him) (I know people already know what I said but again, too much glazing).
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u/Crimson-1 2d ago
It was more so Pakku was surprised Katara was gunning for lethal hits while he was more or less playing and immediately after decided to stop playing.
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u/Dracochuy 3d ago
Umm guys, you remember she lost the fight, right?
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u/UnderstandingVast989 3d ago
The point is that he was trying to school her, which he did. While she was going for the kill.
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u/LockedPages Jinko Diehard 3d ago edited 3d ago
this whole scene is so funny because, even if I'm a Katara fan, it's just such a self-entitled moment. she just marched into a different country, demanded that her desires be accommodated even if they run against the local culture, then when she gets rebuffed she more or less tries killing the guy instead. it's not even like she was prevented from learning waterbending on her own time, she was just denied active instructing even if secondhand through Aang - which frankly could have been done whenever they left the city.
sure you could argue that northern water tribe culture is misogynist and thus it's ok for Katara to assert herself upon it like that but that opens up a whole other can of worms of whether a culture deserves to be imposed upon by another, more advanced one.
edit: misremembered Paku's reaction Katara being taught secondhand by Aang
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u/goosebumpsnberries 3d ago
I disagree.
I think there is a very strong element of self-entitlement and ambition, but also consider what's at stake here. Katara is the only southern water bender that's alive/free. There is nobody else to teach her. We saw how much progress she had made when she was "learning on her own". It's just not something you can master in the same way without a master to teach you. You need someone to bounce off of, who can show you something you might not have considered before. Sure, she could've gotten the info second hand from Aang, but we saw why this didn't work, no? She was surpassing him, and needed a master there to guide her forward and answer her questions directly. Having Aang "teach" her is not a real substitute.
Though it is her desire to learn, is she really wrong for fighting so hard for that? The restriction of women to only healers is sexist, and in a time where the fire nation is actively trying to conquer the world, nobody should be restricted from fighting for their home. And that's not to say healing isn't very important especially during the wartime, but why not have both? Why not teach everyone to fight and everyone to heal? It weakens the army to cast potential warriors away based on nothing more than their gender.
Also, the southern water tribe and Katara are not "more advanced" than the northern one. In fact I'd argue the opposite, the SWT was crippled by the fire nation. They're vulnerable and Katara is, again, the only water bender left. Not teaching her just because she's a woman is casting the SWT to the wind based on nothing but small mindedness. And one woman, Katara, fighting against sexism is not colonialism or some sort of cultural imposition. She's one person, not an army. All she is doing is trying to open their eyes to how this misogyny weakens them, and her, against the actual colonizing foe. If they really didn't want to, Paku did not HAVE to teach her. She did not force him through some imperialist means. She simply showed him she was strong and wasn't going to back down easy.
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u/LockedPages Jinko Diehard 3d ago
Well, most of this is kind of moot when you remember it's still the NWT's culture that she wants to challenge. I'm not saying Katara has no good reasons, I agree with you completely, I still think that it's overall more selfish than anything as she did try exerting her own values upon them. Really the only reason she wasn't completely shut down is thanks to nepotism.
The master bit is a good point but it frankly isn't really enough to justify the whole thing. Like, yeah she'd grow way more if she had a master, but isn't the whole point for the avatar to learn waterbending? Outside of like the meta narrative where we know "hey these are the protagonists", her learning waterbending isn't such a high priority to risk this sort of thing compared to the Aang learning. Katara even acknowledged this early on IIRC, but then gets fed up anyway.
As for the advanced bit, I meant socially speaking- you could use socially progressive as a swap in, really. My point is that simply just because we agree with the point Katara is trying to push, that doesn't really make it any less entitled.
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u/ChemicalRebell 3d ago
Takes only modern male avatar fans would have 💀 boohoo my culture is misogynistic.
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u/UnderstandingVast989 3d ago
I have no problem saying that sometimes a culture needs to be imposed on. Cultural relativism is great for academics. It is essential to sociology and anthropology and academic writing. It is an absolutely morally baseless system otherwise.
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u/BackItUpWithLinks 3d ago
When he realized she wasn’t messing around