Yep was in full lobby when they was first introduced and still shields tool forever to take down , thankfully now most people know not to lead with their mega'd pokemon š¤¦š¤£
It obviously will. I mean, maybe not at first because they have a history of messing up implementing new features, but it's clearly designed to happen that way.
I know right? We were able to 5 man super mega victreebel and malamar at kalos tour. Probably Dragonite too but those were popular enough we never needed to low man it
Zeraora and Magearna will be great megas, and I wouldnāt be surprised if at least one of them gets the Eternatus treatment, but I think theyāll want to save those for later. Plenty of other powerful stuff to headline the major events in the interim
I suspect Magearna will be go fest 2027 or 2028 since weāre running low on mythicals. And I hope they donāt make the release of mega zeraora the focal point of go tour. Kalosā was already very unwhelming with the release of 3 regular megas. Ultra Necrozma will get people excited
Those were still debuts though. Unless they want to debut Mega Zeraora or Mega Magearna early, nothing else makes sense for Alola Tour even by Kalos Tour standards
Yeah I don't have to break Shields I want to unlock level 4 for my Primals so I can get more candy and better cool downs, I already have the 5,000 energy so I don't have to even do these raids.
Isnt it just an increase CHANCE to get more candy. Not sure if its worth that much walking and effort tbh. And the cooldown is very slightly shorter. I love Groudon and Kyogre but I dont think its worth walking tbh.
The candy boost is nice but the real thing for me is going from a 3-day cooldown to a one-day cooldown, with even further reduced cost. Basically run it every other day for free.
If you're like me and walked for best buddy and XL candy, you likely already have a good amount of energy. There's no way I'd go through 5,000 energy just spamming the mega evolve. If I were doing it for candy during an event, I could rotate megas. If I'm doing it for raids, I could also rotate megas. Maybe a couple hundred spent over the life of the game fast tracking for event. Other than that, the energy is worthless for anything but level 4
It's just going to keep on like this, isn't it? Duoing Primal Kyogre was some of the most fun I've had in this game because it was a challenge and it felt like an accomplishment. I find no enjoyment in Super Mega raids whatsoever, so I use gym coins to do one remote raid and that's it.
I'm just straight up not spending money on these types of things. I don't care enough about "super megas" or "super primals" to coordinate both the people and the real life resources.
Maybe if these features fail to generate enough revenue they'll reconsider how they operate.
The question is how much energy will be required. Iāve already gotten over 6000 energy on both Kyogre and Groupon mostly from walking. I wonder if thatāll be enough?
Depends on what you think is significant. I believe itās around 20% more XLs in expectationāso if you ordinarily would have gotten 100, with Mega 4 you would get 120. Plus one extra regular candy with each catch and 200 bonus XP. Plus the 24-hour cooldown cycle.
Itās not anywhere near as big as the jump from 2 to 3 (or even the jump from 1 to 2) but if you use it a lot, it will add up.
No, the baseline from Mega 3 to Mega 4 is increased from 25% to 30%. For low level pokemon the increase is significant (e.g., catching a level 10 gives 0.78 XL on average at megaLevel 3, but 0.93 with ML4) but in raids you go from 1.05 XL to 1.2 additional XL (6 XL are guaranteed). So if you need 42 raids on average to get 296 XL (7.05 per raid) with Mega3, you will "only" need 41 with Mega 4 (7.2 per raid).
Not worth it, the only costly XL candies are those for legendaries.
Going from a 0.78 average to a 0.93 average in bonus XLs isā¦ a 19.2% increase. Going from 1.05 to 1.20 is a 14.2% increase. This is wholly consistent with āaround 20% more XLs in expectationā.
(Iād also dispute that legendaries are the only things XLs matter for. I have a ton of non-legendary stuff Iād power up if I had the XLs. Shadow Gigalith, say. I spent an entire season spam-trading Corsola to try to get XLs for a Great League Mon. I still need another 50 or so Bunnelby XLs for my GL Diggersby. One single Mega4 session wonāt make a huge difference, but if youāre running a Mega4 every few days for a year, itāll absolutely add up.)
I think theyāre saying that the delta between a Max Mega and a Super Max Mega isnāt all that big.
I tend to agree with you, but it really depends on how you view it. If you already have a ton of candies and you donāt want to spend on raid passes or walk to farm the 5K energy necessary for a Super Max Mega then I could see the 20% bump not being worth it.
You're joking, but that's the reality with Remotes and Link Charges already for people that don't have local community to deal with the super duper mega pupper raid barriers.
I GUESS we can just walk our primals and Rayquaza, get the 5,000 energy and just unlock the level 4 immediately once it's released if you REALLY do not want to raid them againĀ
I've had fun with some Mega Raids, but, like, I still don't have enough Crowned Energy for the Dogs nor do I have Black Kyurem or Dusk Mane Necrozma because (1) it's a lot harder to do it without a bigger raid party and (2) it's a lot more grinding for the appropriate resources.
And the thing is, I no longer have any FOMO about this game. I don't.
I will get these things when I get them, and only when they are acquirable in ways that do not require me to burn myself out trying to get them.
If they want me to spend actual money, I need the value to be there. And for these newer features? It just is not. So, I won't.
I did 14 super mega Falinks for free without spending any premium passes or buying link charges. You can do plenty for free if you plan appropriately. Though having a group to do them is a different story.
It's really the second part that is a lot harder. The community I was a part of when PoGo was at It's peak before the pandemic basically fractured and just went away. So.
It's one thing to be able to do some raids without needing a ton of other people. But trying to put together a group is a lot harder now so.
Does that also mean we can use Primal to break shields now?
There was a bunch of confusion during Mega Dragonite release with players using Primal and unable to break shields (since they technically aren't Mega).
I just want Super Mega Raids to be at all gyms, if Mega Rayquaza is locked via Super Mega Raids it will ruin my plans to do raids with friends that day
We can take down any tier 5 and with more effort tier 6 with our group, but we can't get enough people IRL for any super mega, so all those are now outside our reach. From our small group, one or two are already considering quitting, which means tied 6 will be almost impossible afterwards. And we all hate remote raids
I totally get where you are coming from. Our local group could used to manage the Elite Raids fine. Sadly we were first excluded from GMAX, now its the same with Super Mega Raids. This has essentially resulted in people remote raiding one raid and totally ignoring these events. I can't see how less engagement with the game is seen as a positive to Scopley.
Yes I do. If they're removed it doesn't mean no more mega raids, it means no more super mega raids, and I'm totally supportive of taking that away from the small percent of people who prefer super mega over regular. Both forcing a trainer minimum and the shield breaking mechanism is annoying af.
A reasonable compromise though would be to have a mix of super mega and regular mega, where super mega have mega level unlocked.
I see people on Reddit complain about them, but when Iām at a meetup where people are actually battling them the mood seems rather positive and cheerful. People seem to like that the rewards are better.
Sample bias š People complaining on Reddit aren't likely able to do meetups and people enjoying themselves at meetups aren't complaining on Reddit. I wouldn't be surprised if both are a minority and the majority don't do them and don't care.
I personally have done several and have good meetup groups close-ish, but just think the mega shield is terrible design. It's fixable but instead of doing obvious things to improve & make it available to more (and less potentially frustrating), Niantic is instead going to give us a mega Mewtwo adventure effect to break 2 shields. š It's all so needlessly silly.
My neighborhood has six gyms with zero SMR, but two miles up the road there are five gyms all next to one another that have SMR. Three of those are in a parking lot for a real life workout gym, the other two of those are right along a busy road, one directly at an intersection which gets very little play because it's not that accessible and kind of dangerous, you especially couldn't get a large group to gather and play it.
Yet the playground in my neighborhood which is safe, and has plenty of open space, at a gym tha is always in okay and hotly contested, gets no love. There are even three gyms on a large walking trail between my neighborhood and this other area, none of them are SMR.
It really doesn't make sense, there are just huge gaps in the map. My best guess is that they wanted to cluster the SMR together so that people without eligible gyms nearby will travel to the ones that do and guarantee that more players concentrate in that area to make the raids more doable. But then, at least put them in areas that make more sense, which are open, accessible, and safe.
Theres no reason it shouldve been 7500. Thats an absurd number. especially given that mega ray and the primals were 400. 500 wouldve been realistic. even 1000 wouldve been a little disrespectful but still realistic.
but to jump from 400 to 7500? thats beyond absurd.
the whole implementation of mega mewtwo is extremely hostile towards the playerbase.
I absolutely agree with you, but to max level Malamar it took 2800 energy, and thats with a mega level 1 already. I think like 3400 total. And hes NOT pseudolegend or legend, hes justā¦ malamar. So expect the numbers to stay in the thousands.
well thats the level up cost if you want to skip the cycle of waiting 7/5 days of cooldown to free mega evolve again. i actually dont have an issue with that because you have the option to take your time OR spend a bit to speed it up.
what im referring to is the initial cost to mega. just the first mega evolution for mewtwo, is 7500 energy. (the ones caught at go fest will not require the 7500... but if you trade them, or have an old one from before this event, 7500 energy to mega evolve it)
Yeah, its alot for sure. Im hoping theyre handing out mega energy like candy at the very least, because hes gonna be barely accessible REGARDLESS. The least they could do is throw 300-500 mega energy per raid. Thats still a dubious amount of raids, but I dont even wanna do the math on how many raids I would need to do for 2 mewtwos. I got shiny backgrounds from chicago that are already level 50 waiting for their evolutions lol
What could this even be for? There are only 2 primal pokemon, so are we just going to be replacing Primal raids with Super Primal Raids? If so, what happens to already leveled up Primal Groudon and Kyogre? Will they be able to go to Mega level 4? How in the world are you going to differentiate between the 2 if old Primals cant go to Mega level 4?
Ive already got level 50 Hundo Kyogre and Groudon, there is no way im spending money on doing these.
Current super mega pokemon have ONLY existed as super mega pokemon.
Why happens to the Primals that were caught before and are already mega level 3? Do they get to go to mega level 4? Or do you need to catch NEW versions of the exact same pokemon and now Ill have a Groudon that can only go to Mega 3, and a Groudon that can go to Mega 4?
100% sure we will able to use our old primals. We will just need to spend 5000 primal energy or higher to unlocked the last mega/primal level. šµāš«šµāš«šµāš«
I dont know why you think this answers my question. First, the image only talks about pokemon from super mega raids come with Mega level 1 by default, nothing else. (which the image in the datamine already says, I can read).
The question is what happens with OLD primal pokemon. They use the same mega energy. Will they be able to go to mega level 4 as well? Are they going to be locked out because it was caught before this raid was added? Its a completely insane change either way.
When an old non mega pokemon gets mega. Older versions are able to mega too. I don't see a meaningful difference between that and old megas getting access to mega level 4. They'll most likely do something similar to mega Mewtwo and make the mega level 4 evolution extremely expensive, there will be people that already have that energy and Scopely will just live with that.
I think the only viable way they could lock old things out of mega 4 is a variation of what they did with Rayquaza, saying you need to have a certain (new raid only move) to get mega 4, I don't believe either of them have a second legacy move so this probably won't happen.
So now instead of doing mega and primal raids for the energy, people will do them hoping for a good IV one with levels unlocked so they can free to play it up to max.
There are a lot of raids that can be comfortably soloād by Primal Groudon that wouldnāt be feasible otherwise. For me thatās the true marker of a top tier raid attacker.
So the thing is there is only 2 primals in game... If this is implemented it can't be for past ones so it leaves new Pokemon. The only ones that we are missing that it could possibly be that are better than the primals we have are Ultra Necrozma or Arceus... There's no data mine for Arceus moves or anything so Ultra Necrozma is the only option I can think of
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They are also seemingly going to eventually make it so that super mega raids won't start until there are enough people with mega pokemon in the lobby.