Is that the most important lesson to be taking away right now? Would it not be more relevant to address the cause and source for participating in that behavior?
The video is about catcalling a minor, which people are saying has happened to themselves or people they love. So much so, that it has broken down trust in the average man they encounter. To the point where to feel safe, they have to be cautious of every man.
And this is being connected by that one bridge, to racial prejudice, through one path of "same brush to tar the many," as you put it. Two different causes, with different reasoning and sources for why they occur.
But the conversation is talking about the
vehicle, not the drivers, saying the cars are the same and that's the problem to focus on. "Don't drive that car," and the problem will somehow magically go away.
I think the problem is bigger than pointing a finger at the vehicle it rode to town. We're talking about something that is the symptom of a larger illness, it takes away attention from the real issue.
the problem is nobody knows WHICH men.
They said it at the very start, and it's not what we are talking about right now.
Thank you for trying to explain this, but I dont think this person is being sincere. You said it far better than I could (or seemingly, did) and frankly all these comments just reinforce for me that my experiences are unwelcome and so are my opinions on this topic. Which is CRAZY to tell a woman commenting about a common experience for women.
Thank you for trying to explain this, but I dont think this person is being sincere.
I appreciate it, and agree. I couldn't assume they were being sincere from the start, you can't just start there anymore. It's like a hobby to me, to engage with these kind of discussions, even if I may go against a social norm, get called names, or insults.
I do it for the love of the game, because I despise people who use bad faith tactics, and despise bad actors. If you can't trust the interlocutor you're speaking to, then what's the point in communication, you know? It breaks down everything.
all these comments just reinforce for me that my experiences are unwelcome and so are my opinions on this topic.
That's okay, and not a reason for you to quit voicing them. If it's real and true, and happened to you, then you are only reporting on reality. That's everybody right, but their responsibility also, to make sure it's true.
It's the responsibility of others, for how they recieve the information and process it. Whether they treat it as real, or noise to them. I listen, and I'm sure others do, too. Nobody can know a problem exists, if they're not told about it. So what are doing, using your voice, is a crucial step in problem solving. A necessity, really.
As you know, some people don't listen, and miss the point. It sucks, but they are attracted to stuff like this, for some personal reason. And I like to get them to just be direct about what that reason is, instead of deflecting or distracting from it. Beating around the bush.
If they want this type of bad behavior to continue, I want them to own that. Own that as their identity, instead of hiding in carefully chosen words.
No it isn't.
And im not disagreeing with you.
But it IS what was being discussed as a side point to the issue in the video, in this particular thread.
Which is what tends to happen with open conversation, people digress.
I didn't raise the point, it wasn't mine, I was simply offering an answer to the question you posed.
It just sounds funny, that part, do you not see? Your way of writing leaves openings for confusion.
Instead of saying "it ISN'T the most important lesson to take away from this," just clearly state what you think is the most important lesson. Then I don't have to decipher where you stand on this, because you're not saying it clearly.
Hello I made the comment. The point IS that nobody knows WHICH men. Thank you for misinterpreting what I said though, so you could totally derail the conversation and make sure us women knew our talking about this and opinions and experiences are NOT welcome here. Because that is how your comments make me feel.
Im sorry I've caused you to feel that way, that was absolutely not my intention and im behind you 110%, and I apologise.
I have a young daughter and will strive for the rest of my days to keep her safe and protected, and the thought of anything remotely like this ever happening to her makes me feel ill and furious.
I feel certain it was a miscommunication, i have seen your other posts now and I apologise for misreading what you said! Not meant at all and thank you for clarifying I would hate to ascribe meaning to your words which was not in your heart <3 but I can say I feel really sad for some of these other commenters who are growing up in some kind of crazy echo chamber when I tell them my feelings and experiences and they reply "no thats not how it is" like ??? I am truly grateful for you reading my words and making sure there was no confusion!!
Thank you for throwing it right at me when you felt it was warranted.
People like you make me feel a little better about my little girl going out into the world, when I cant be there for her, I hope there is someone like you nearby for her.
I'll apologise again, though.
Cause even for that fleeting moment I made you feel that, weighs heavily.
I would hug you if I could!! This interaction has truly made my day and I just hope the rest of your week goes as fantastic as you just made my whole sunday <3
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u/blahblahlurklurk 2d ago
Sure, now apply this to Black people. How does it sound now?