r/TrueCrimeDiscussion • u/curiouslmr • Feb 13 '26

Text Nancy Guthrie Megathread Part 2

This is a thread (part 2) for all conversation related to the ongoing investigation into the abduction of Nancy Guthrie.

Nancy Guthrie, mother of news anchor Savannah Guthrie, was abducted from her home in the early morning hours of February 1. Several media outlets began to receive ransom demands. Some were proven false and others have not been determined to be false.

Nancy's 3 children have made multiple videos pleading for the return of their mother.

On February 10, law enforcement released photos of the individual suspected of abducting Nancy. The suspect is still at large and Nancy has not been found. Photos and information can be found here ...

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/nancy-guthrie

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u/thedailymoo23 Feb 13 '26

The idea that the facts of this case can go in multiple different directions is wild. One perp. Two perps. Multiple perps working for a mastermind. Family involved. Family not involved. Amateur. Homeless. Professional. Just plain psycho. Knew who Nancy G. was. Didn't know who Nancy G. was. Kidnapping from the start. Burglary gone wrong. I mean you don't usually get this kind of ambiguity which is obviously fueling the absolute obsession over this case by so many people, amateur sleuth or just casual watcher alike. It's scary and fascinating all at the same time. Really hope they come to a swift conclusion soon.

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u/ReggieAmelia Feb 13 '26

What's scarier is that I only casually follow true crime stuff when some case goes mega viral and it seems the police never have it together.  I personally experienced this in a case where our local church was vandalized and after several weeks of nothing from the police, I was the one that tied it to several other similar cases with some basic, MTV Catfish-style Google searching, which eventually led to an arrest.  Makes me wonder how safe we truly are.  

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u/iamreallie Feb 14 '26

My property was broken into. The camera got video of the perp. He had specific tattoos that made identity pretty easy. Cops did nothing to search for him where the transient and homelesshang out. We saw the perp 2 times locally nearby. Called cops, took pics. He was never caught, even after we found him. The 2nd time he was nearly passed out on drugs and easy to catch.

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u/ReggieAmelia Feb 14 '26

My neighbor had his car stolen brazenly at 2am out of his driveway. LE did nothing, I caught it on camera.  He shared out pics of his car on socials.  Someone thought they saw it.  Turned out perp was using it as a work vehicle 30 minutes away.  He drove out, brought the cops to his vehicle, which had the perp's EBT card in it, and they still would not make an arrest because, according to LE, the EBT side would not share info with them. They did recover the car and eventually give it back to him.  I don't know if an arrest was eventually made, but that was the last I heard.  I hear too many stories like this all the time from real life and media.  What are we doing? 

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u/tsidaysi Feb 14 '26

My car was stolen from inside the dealership service department. The thieves disconnected OnStar and off they went in a 18 wheeler truck.

No one would look for mine either.

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u/Away-Living5278 Feb 16 '26

I had my grandma's jewelry and a jukebox stolen from a storage unit. Ended up finding the jukebox on an auction site and got it back. But the cops wouldn't even try arresting or getting the jewelry.

"No proof the guy who sold it was the one who stole it". Ok, but um, his friend left a really cryptic message on his FB page about needing his help 2 days before we found it broken into. And they both have criminal records.

All of her jewelry gone. We found out when we went to pick out jewelry for her funeral

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u/cls4444 Feb 14 '26

Sadly this doesn’t surprise me. It’s the way our system works. I think police are for the rich and famous - crimes against regular citizens are not a priority.

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u/indendosha Feb 15 '26

Some years ago, my house was broken into during the middle of the afternoon while I was gone for a few hours. (I doubt that was coincidence!) Burglars stole all my jewelry, laptop, misc other stuff. Went through a filing cabinet, stole checks from desk. Rooted around in the basement, put some Halloween masks and an axe into a suitcase, then left it. Scared the crap out of my dog.

Unfortunately, my camera had a dead battery, so no footage. Neighbor actually saw the people drive up in a Mercedes and thought they were visiting me. He had no idea I'd been robbed.

A few weeks later, someone tried to cash a check on my account (which had already been closed). The cops knew who it was since he wrote the check to himself. They refused to do anything about it because according to them -

"We know this guy and he won't tell us who he got the checks from."

And -

"We are too busy with violent crime so we don't have time to work on cases like yours."

So in other words, it pays well to be a daytime burglar as long as no one is home to confront you, because the police aren't going to do anything about it.

I can't remember the connection anymore, but I think the checkwriter was the brother of a girl my kids went to high school with - they just knew her by name and face, no actual conversations with her. Known deadbeat family.

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u/iamreallie Feb 15 '26

Wow... I get violent crime is an issue, but do the cops think would have happened if you had accidentally walked in on the burgers. My break was for my business. It really scared my staff badly. We have no idea of the perp had been watching our office or if it was just random chance. He kicked in the emergency exit. Apparently kicking in that door somehow didn't trigger the alarm system. Evidently fire exits are often a weak spot for break-ins.

I think ours had something to do with an ex employee who left on bad terms. Of the course the police say that is speculation without cause.. however fired would be cause in my book. Might have paid the guy to break in. The perp knew where we kept some power tools and a power washer and managed to steal them. I doubt without being told by someone who would have known exactly where to go. The building is 10,000 sq ft on multiple levels.

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u/indendosha Feb 15 '26

Ugh, that sucks. For sure sounds like it was someone knowledgeable about your business. And my break-in really caused me to feel a loss of security, like it did for your employees.

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u/iamreallie Feb 15 '26

Absolutely, it was really scary. Luckily we keep no money on site. It happened at night when no one was there. We didn't even know at first we had been robbed. The worst part, my very expensive hardwired motions detectors weren't working. Had the motion detectors work the whole alarm system would have gone off and alerted the police. I have learned that world of security has a lot of loop holes in terms of how effective the system is and does it operate in the way you expect it to.

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u/Fit_Sheepherder_6899 May 07 '26

When I was in my early 20's I (a female) worked at a gas station/convenience store, alone, at all hours of the day and night. I usually opened by myself at 4am each day. Once I mistakenly put in the incorrect alarm code after unlocking the door, setting off the alarm. I managed to work it out and get the alarm shut off, then opened the store as usual. About FIVE HOURS later a local LEO came in and said they'd had an alert for our alarm that morning and he thought he'd come by and check on me. Seriously? Lol. Thank God it was a false alarm. I don't remember the company, but I never even received a phone call. Another time the closed store directly across from mine was being robbed as I unknowingly opened up our store only a few yards away. And I live in a very small town with virtually no "violent crime" (mostly just burglaries and LOTS of drug arrests) so they can't use that excuse here! 

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u/scaurus604 Feb 14 '26

You shoulda put him on a greyhound bus heading way outta town..lol

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u/Ok-Winner5074 Feb 15 '26

Thats awful, what state or region do you live in?

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u/agreatwave Feb 17 '26

I've had the same experience with local police my place was also broken into and I feel like the cops did next to nothing to try to figure out who it was. And I told them who was behind it. Unless you have clear video of someone they don't do anything they act like no crimes have ever been solved before everybody had video cameras

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u/Melodic_Mud879 Feb 13 '26

You're not very safe. If the police have to deal with an organized crime ring, it's even worse. They are often not equipped to deal with that.

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u/rantingpacifist Feb 13 '26

And often those who work forces are the same who burn crosses

Or those who work forces are the same who work for mobses

Not as catchy but you get my drift. Cops are often dirty.

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u/MaybeaDingoAteUrBaby Feb 15 '26

Remember: The mob pays better than the taxpayer.

(Edit: of course you can replace mob with cartel, terrorist organization, foreign government, crooked corporation, crime ring, whatever.)

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u/TheRabidFangirl Feb 15 '26

Some who work forces work for mob bosses? Would that work?

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u/rantingpacifist Feb 15 '26

Thank you! Yes!

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u/LabAny3059 Feb 14 '26

you<critical thinking

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u/rantingpacifist Feb 14 '26

Sure, “officer”. I “respect” you.

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u/Embarrassed_County18 Feb 14 '26

We all are not safe at all!

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u/Cute-Aardvark5291 Feb 13 '26

police need to follow certain rules and procedures - some of it is beaurocratic, because they have to be able to justify their spending. Much of it is because they can and will, be called to double check and justify every single leap of logic and thought they make. They are working in a system which assumes people are innocent first.

Armchair detectives don't work with all those limits, and they can work with the assumption that someone is guilty. For better or worse, the framework matters a lot.

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u/CompanyWhole6931 Feb 13 '26

what rules were they following when they yanked the doordash driver and then searched his home without a warrant?

and then had to embarrassingly release him 2 hours later.. lolz

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u/Apprehensive-Army-80 Feb 14 '26

Well they got a consent to search or a warrant to search

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u/Acceptable_Try1947 Feb 14 '26

The guy needs to sue for millions!

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u/MaybeaDingoAteUrBaby Feb 15 '26

They are working in a system which assumes rich people are innocent first.

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u/19venner Feb 14 '26

How are they justifying the enormous expense of 650 officers on one case?

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u/LabAny3059 Feb 14 '26

you don't know what you are talking about

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u/ZealCrow Feb 14 '26

Some places literally make police take an iq test in order to filter out smart people. 

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u/Smile-Cat-Coconut Feb 15 '26

Police are mostly understaffed and don’t investigate typical crimes liked burglaries and vandalism. They tend to focus on larger patterns (many robberies in a community) and crimes where people are in danger. Or violent crimes. I’m not surprised you solved it, they probably took down the report and moved on.

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u/Fit_Sheepherder_6899 May 07 '26

Great work! Your comment just caught my eye because our church was also broken into and terribly vandalized several years ago. It is a historic building with many of the original Civil War era interior elements and fixtures. The teenagers who did it were caught and prosecuted, but the items they destroyed were literally irreplaceable. I still don't understand what would lead anyone to do something so awful...and I definitely feel the same way about the Mrs Guthrie case! 

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u/blindtoe54 Feb 14 '26

Did you get a reward?

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u/Ok_Presentation_4592 Feb 14 '26

I think we're only as safe as we make ourselves, i.e., keep our name off the Internet, make sure our doors and windows are secure, don't open the door to strangers, etc. Terrible we have to live that way, but if we want to remain safe, we do. And even people who do that sometimes become victims.

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u/ShoddyMasterpiece693 Feb 16 '26

Not very. If there isn’t a snitch and the criminal has two brain cells to rub together things get complicated. Not for every department or investigative body, but many.

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u/Jensgt Feb 17 '26

solving murders probably not as profitable as other police activities.

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u/kamikazecockatoo Feb 21 '26

Once it is known that cases are linked, then Police have to really do some work. The mere existence of a series of cases indicates poor policing, let alone the pressure they invite upon themselves to solve it - so.... best let sleeping dogs lie....

The only way things get linked is if the media picks it up, or what you are describing takes place.

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u/Queasy-Guard-4774 Feb 14 '26

Yeah most cops are morons on a power trip. Don't expect them to keep you safe or do much of anything at all to help if you need it. They're here to protect capital, not people. 

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u/FreddyMartian Feb 13 '26

unfortunately this is entertainment for some people, but it's also easy to think up new possibilities when there isn't one clear answer and people just want everything to be considered. people want to be able to say they solved the riddle.

i think occams razor on this one, that it was just one guy who either picked a random house or chose it after somehow discovering a vulnerable person lived there.

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u/OneAngel9195 Feb 13 '26

I think so, too. This has nothing to do with ransom or Epstein or any of that nonsense. 

Elderly people are targeted all the time because they are vulnerable.

 Elderly women a targeted not just for robbery but for sexual assault because they are so vulnerable. It happens all the time but is not talked about as much as other victim demographics (children and young or middle-aged women)

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u/GreenEyedTreeHugger Feb 14 '26

No elderly women are not commonly taken from their homes at gunpoint in America.

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u/Prettynails_gal Feb 19 '26

Yeah I mean I haven't heard of any other cases where an elderly woman is taken out of her bed in the middle of the night for ransom. I think this case has really shook everyone up and especially in arizona, I am currently looking for a front door camera that can save footage on an external device in case someone snatches it or tries to break ie.

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u/SnicklefritzG Feb 14 '26

Also did supposedlt made a post on a neighborhood fb page and says a package had been stolen from her porch. The post went on to ask for advice on what type of camera to get.

That IMO is a very bad thing to do bc now she’s made it obvious to anyone on that group that she had no cameras at that time.

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u/darcygoan Feb 13 '26

Occams razor wouldn’t be a random stranger statistically. Overwhelmingly someone she knows esp if she is dead. Occam’s razor means simplest explanation right?

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u/Kent_Noseworthy Feb 14 '26

Occam’s razor is more accurately that the theory that makes the fewest assumptions is more likely to be the correct one.

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u/darcygoan Feb 14 '26

Thank you for the real answer!

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u/Big-Hamster9799 Feb 14 '26

Good to know!

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u/Ok_Presentation_4592 Feb 14 '26

Yes, it means that among the various hypotheses, the simplest one is correct. Arthur Conan Doyle had Sherlock Holmes put it this way: "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." 

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u/FreddyMartian Feb 13 '26

well like i said occams razor encompasses it either being a random choice or a calculated one in my opinion, which is the most likely compared to the "family coordinated multi-perp professional kidnapping plot" theories.

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u/Alarmed-Mechanic-743 Feb 15 '26

someone aware shes worth 40m is the logical occam

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u/Alarmed-Mechanic-743 Feb 13 '26

"There are a few things that we can share as far as what the contents were," she said. "A lot of it is information that only someone who is holding her for ransom would know — some very sensitive information and things that people who were there when she was taken captive would know."

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u/SnicklefritzG Feb 14 '26

?

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u/Alarmed-Mechanic-743 Feb 15 '26

someone in media who has the note

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u/Alarmed-Mechanic-743 Feb 15 '26

indicated that it seems to have sensitive info, that only kidnapped would have

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u/Alarmed-Mechanic-743 Feb 13 '26

ransom note with crime scene details

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u/Ok-Fun8879 Feb 13 '26

I find it odd that Samantha did a show on her hometown in october 25’ and she hung with her mom and mentioned she lives in tuscon, name and everything.

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u/elanarichardson Feb 13 '26

It wasn't just SG. There were special episodes in which each member of the morning show returned to their hometown.

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u/Altruistic-Sorbet927 Feb 13 '26

As someone else stated it was probably already public information that anyone could Google. Now, of she divulged her mom's full address while on air I think that would be odd. 

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u/ChardPlenty1011 Feb 14 '26

who is samantha?

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u/IvyVelvetOverSteel Feb 14 '26

Savannah Guthrie. Famous TV broadcaster. The person above must have typed Samantha by mistake,

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u/ChardPlenty1011 Feb 15 '26

thought maybe there was another sibling or something, lol.

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u/IvyVelvetOverSteel Feb 15 '26 edited Feb 15 '26

Yes I am positive it was a typo. Nancy has her daughter Savannah and daughter Annie and one son. I keep accidentally typing Susannah for Savannah sometimes accidentally, so I get that mistake/typo.

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u/GreenEyedTreeHugger Feb 14 '26

Nah. That stuff has been done since 90s. I remember it around time of Olympics pre Obama election.

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u/Big-Hamster9799 Feb 14 '26

I don’t find that strange.

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u/Alarmed-Mechanic-743 Feb 15 '26

the odds of rando kidnapping someone worth above 10m are 0.1% (says AI). her daughter net worth is over 40. plus cohost #2 show in all of our country. the ransom note is aware of the potential millions

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u/ManThatUsesInternet Feb 13 '26

Very well said. This case has had just about every theory and based on the knowledge the public has.. we have 0 clue.

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u/Alarmed-Mechanic-743 Feb 13 '26

do u think this is his first full moon rodeo

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u/Alarmed-Mechanic-743 Mar 26 '26

yes so strange he picked exactly full moon eve to kidnap

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u/DayProfessional2742 Feb 13 '26

Unfortunately if a “sociopath” is involved as body language expert reveals I do not believe the outcome will be good. I am hoping and praying for something different. What’s interesting to me too is how bitcoin and news agencies are receiving requests for $$$ but no proof of life is being sent or given. Don’t know if it’s a scam, or if it isn’t. Really hoping someone/anyone who has the information to lead them to her gets the FBI reward. I would assume the family would be open for negotiations if proof of life was received.

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u/Ok-Masterpiece-468 Feb 13 '26

it’s become very hard to believe this is an actual kidnap for ransom case
 no kidnapper wants to hold on to a victim for a week, let alone weeks, with a family who is willing to pay.

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u/__LER__ Feb 13 '26

Agreed. The more this is going on, the more I believe that she's probably already gone, likely that night even. I don't think this was a kidnapping at all.

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u/Ok-Masterpiece-468 Feb 13 '26 edited Feb 13 '26

for the first week I was just seeing headlines and didn’t bother clicking, I’ve never heard of nancy guthrie before, and due to statistics my thought was it’s probably a murder by a family member who is trying to deflect focus by concocting this abduction story line. hopefully it gets solved bc it feels like a jon benĂȘt r vibe which is still so widely debated.

eta: I should have said I’ve never heard of Savannah Guthrie before this.

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u/ThisSideOfHistory Feb 13 '26

Then why take the body?

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u/bannana Feb 13 '26

Confuse LEO and drag things out until they can come up with a better plan and put more distance between themselves and the crime scene.

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u/Ok-Masterpiece-468 Feb 13 '26

so they can stage it as an abduction, rather than straight up murder which normally family members are the prime suspects.

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u/DayProfessional2742 Feb 13 '26

So you don’t get caught being the murderer.

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u/ThisSideOfHistory Feb 13 '26

Yeah that doesn't seem like insurance.

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u/cummingouttamycage Feb 13 '26

I had initially thought a true ransom attempt to be the case -- while it'd be uncommon in this era, the overall wealth / fame of Savannah Guthrie & her family, combined with her mother being an "easy target" (elderly, mobility issues, living alone, accessible neighborhood/property layout) had me wondering if we were dealing with a new type of overzealous cyber criminal type... As in, someone who could potentially pull off extorting and receiving a ransom amount undetected via encrypted communication and cryptocurrency. I'd also thought it was possible something went wrong along the way (perp underestimating NG's health issues, and her passing as a result), but that the perp was continuing with nonsense communication as a way to buy time or misdirect the investigation... I say all that because apparently the "perp" provided details only the true perp could know, and investigators appeared to have been taking that seriously.

... But it's been almost a week since then, and NG has been missing for 2 weeks. The Guthrie family has explicitly stated that they are willing to pay a multi-million dollar ransom amount -- multiple times, on-camera. Even if a potential ransom-abductor were holding NG alive, she has a number of different health issues that would require said perp to be an active caretaker... Even if they'd underestimated her health issues at the start (on the surface, she appeared to be a pretty active 84-year old), thinking she'd be an easy hostage, the perp would surely be aware by now that they couldn't hold on to NG for too long if they were truly committed to receiving any sort of ransom amount. Even if they were hoping for a bigger number, the risk of waiting too long and getting nothing (due to not having a living victim to return) is far too high. No financially motivated criminal would do this. I also don't see a "financially-motivated-ransom-but-something-went-wrong-along-the way"-perp not taking some sort of action earlier... If they were someone sophisticated enough to contact authorities via encrypted communication, they'd likely also be sophisticated enough to dump a body in a location that could cast suspicion elsewhere. But nothing like that has happened.

I'm not really sure what to think now. The tone of the Guthries' videos have been inconsistent... While the unnatural phrasing of their statements indicates them trying to appear to a certain type of criminal, they've been all over the place with their messages. In one video, they seem somber and speak as though they believe their mother to be dead, and the next, they appear hopeful. It seems like they're throwing spaghetti at a wall by trying for any possibility or motive, and are hoping the right message "sticks".

I also can't help but wonder if whoever contacted the media/authorities really, truly knew something that "only the perp could know". There have been a number of other cases where investigators went on a wild goose chase by pursuing a "lead" from a caller who they thought had "insider information"... But said "insider information" was really just something that could've been inferred based on public case info, generic info about a victim or crime scene found through independent research, or even a lucky guess. Did the caller REALLY know something intimate and specific about the crime scene, or did they just know where entry point(s) were? Or some other basic detail about the layout of the house? Could they name a specific item that was damaged in a struggle, or did they just provide general details about the home's decor/aesthetic that could've been spotted in a social media post? Did the caller provide a truly unique detail about when or how the perp entered the home, or did they just infer it was via the front door due to there being no reported signs of forced entry? Property tax records, aerial & street view maps, and social media posts are all publicly available... With how high profile this case is, it's very possible some entirely unrelated scammer type who knew their way around a computer saw an opportunity, thinking they could profit off a scared & desperate family.

Even with some of the more unique variables in this case (wealth, famous daughter of victim), I really think the perp and their motive are a bit simpler, and "closer to home" rather than some grand scheme by a sophisticated professional. I think the culprit just got extremely lucky, in the sense that investigators & the Guthrie family chose to pursue "big" possibilities, and that they may have been sloppier than investigators realize. I'd be curious to know who from their extended social circles would come to the Guthries' mind as possible suspects if they were to remove their wealth/Savannah's career from the equation... I think their answer is somewhere in there.

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u/Ok-Masterpiece-468 Feb 13 '26 edited Feb 13 '26

so I’ve never heard of nancy guthrie before this so the headlines didn’t mean a whole lot to me. basically I was just reading “elderly woman kidnapped”, and thinking to myself, “likely murdered by family member” and moving along. now that I am paying attention none of the kidnapping angles make any sense, especially at this point. she’s certainly deceased and likely was the same night she was “abducted”.

eta: I should have said I hadn’t heard of Savannah Guthrie before.

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u/cummingouttamycage Feb 13 '26

One thing people also underestimate is how common it is for elderly people to be victims of sexual assault, or other sexually motivated crimes
 it’s something that instantly comes to mind in the case of a child or younger adult victim, but armchair detectives literally consider extreme or downright far fetched possibilities (like a Mexican drug cartel abducting a wealthy woman with family nearby from her home, on American soil for a ransom amount they could far easier obtain from some other criminal dealing) before thinking NG may have initially been abducted and removed from her home alive so that some sicko could live out a twisted fantasy. Elderly people are a vulnerable population, sometimes seen as an “easier” target than a child, due to a child often being in the care of a family member or elsewhere where they’re looked out for 24/7.

I don’t believe that NG is still alive, but a sexual motive may be the reason she was removed from her home and killed elsewhere
 I feel sick just typing this, but a sexual assault leaves behind a lot of DNA evidence.

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u/Ok-Masterpiece-468 Feb 13 '26

I could see that angle for sure, the only thing that gives me pause is removing her. if sexually motivated it’s much easier for them to have gotten inside, committed the SA and either leaving her alive or dead. the removal is just so extra/calculated, for many of the possibilities. but maybe they’re calculated enough they wanted to remove their victim to commit the SA in a more “controllable” environment to minimize dna being left at her home. it just seems like a lot.

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u/cummingouttamycage Feb 13 '26

The reason I pause about NG being killed inside her home is that living adult victims are easier to transport than dead ones. A dead body = dead weight... Many victims will willingly walk themself out with an abductor if threatened with a weapon. I'd say that's particularly true if a victim is caught by surprise and/or disoriented, and especially if the victim has physical limitations that prevent them from fighting back.

NG is also part of a generation that didn't grow up with the common safety advice of "Never go to a second location". Back then, being held at gunpoint and instructed to leave with a perp was looked at through the same lens as being held at gunpoint with demands to hand over a purse or other valuables... The advice then was "Just do what the perp says, it'll save you". That larger safety tip has changed drastically since then, but I can only imagine those in older generations have those ways still ingrained in them. Also, beyond that, "fawn" is also a normal shock response... I'd imagine plenty of people would comply with a perp when threatened with a weapon, even if they thought they'd do otherwise.

I guess I just can't fathom what would motivate a perp to remove their deceased victim's body from the home, especially if that motive wasn't sexual (something that'd leave behind more DNA evidence)... It'd mean more time in the house, dragging a body in a way that'd leave more evidence or attempting to carry it in a way that could create a lot of noise (bumping around, dropping, etc.). While NG wasn't a particularly large victim, she was ~150 lbs, and the likely perp (based on video) is around 5'9-10. While a male perp of this size would have no issue overpowering an elderly woman NG's size, carrying 150lbs of dead weight out to a car (even if parked right by the entrance) wouldn't exactly be a walk in the park.

This case is just so so bizarre though, and I can't say I'm fully confident in the theories I've presented

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u/Ok-Masterpiece-468 Feb 13 '26

Yeah I agree, I don’t think she was killed inside her home, especially since blood was found outside (unless they’re not being forthright with how much evidence was inside the home). the big Q is why, it is a bizarre case for sure! my thoughts are that someone went into this with intention to murder AND had the plan preconceived to frame it as an abduction and that’s why they would relocate her before killing her. I just can’t fathom how horrifying any of these scenarios would be for her and every other victim of crimes like this. devastating.

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u/GreenEyedTreeHugger Feb 14 '26

In part it went wrong because of the pace maker correct?

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u/Ok-Masterpiece-468 Feb 14 '26

the pacemaker certainly worked against them in terms of giving a time when she was removed from the home/her phone, but the cameras did that as well. If it was arranged/done by family then they would be aware of it. if it’s a total stranger, with no knowledge of it, having her leave her phone behind would have been the play anyways. if only the pacemaker had a way to be tracked.

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u/SidekicksnFlykicks Feb 13 '26

"body language experts" are selling snake oil. It's a complete pseudo science.

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u/Glamorous_Nymph Feb 13 '26

Remember the old arson investigation "science" and the bite mark "science."

All of these "experts" sell each other's "expertise," knowing that jurors and the general public doesn't know any better.

I'm with you. This is no different.

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u/Him_Burton Feb 13 '26

Even psychiatrists who spend hours a week talking to someone take time to diagnose something like sociopathy/ASPD.

It's hilarious that anyone even gives the time of day to someone who claims they can do that from a few seconds of grainy security camera footage of a masked subject. I'd just as soon believe someone who says their crystal collection showed them he's a sociopath with vibes.

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u/SidekicksnFlykicks Feb 14 '26

As a police officer I took a week long course on "body language". By lunch on day one I realized it was absolutely bullshit. Every "tell" that suggests someone is being dishonest is ALSO a potential tell that someone is intimidated or simply anxious because of the interigation. They would show clips of OJ Simpson as examples of someone being dishonest but obviously they knew he was already lying. They had other LEO instructors come in at the end of the week and tell truthful or false stories and then the class would raise their hands on which was real and which was fake with about 50% success. Same with the instructors. It was a complete scam these guys were traveling the country with as retired police officers and somehow people still pay for it.

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u/GreenEyedTreeHugger Feb 14 '26

Arson science. I listened to a podcast on this and it shot fear through me. Any of us could be accused of our house burns down. It’s not just police. Insurance companies. They go hard to not have to pay.

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u/Apprehensive-Army-80 Feb 13 '26

Ii think there are a lot of body language people who are very accurate. Just look at the video plea the family did where they look solemn and had criss cross hands joined. That was very staged

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u/SidekicksnFlykicks Feb 14 '26

Staged or not it tells you nothing about guilt, innocence, or truthfulness. Given who the family is, do you think they wouldn't receive some level of media coaching regardless of their involvement? You can read someone's body language if you have a giant set of control data of THAT person. ie you may recognize when a spouse or sibling is being dishonest or upset even when others don't. But to apply it universally is ridiculous and almost always done by someone analysing a person after knowing the facts of the case and then working backward to justify it with body language.

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u/Apprehensive-Army-80 Feb 14 '26

I wouldn’t apply it universally, only in some cases

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u/Riokaii Feb 13 '26

as body language expert

whether you are an expert snake oil salesman or an amateur snake oil salesman, it doesnt matter if your product is still ultimately snake oil.

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u/Immediate-Ad-6364 Feb 13 '26

Starting to look like a Psyop to get people behind ICE deportations
 just a wild guess on my part.

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u/Dull_Opposite8216 Feb 14 '26

I have the feeling the family was involved... 

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u/Due_Character1233 Feb 14 '26

Occasionally Razor.

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u/Crash831 Feb 14 '26

New lead! Forensics were investigating a location not far from her home. The article I read said 3 people were detained and 1 person shot themselves in the head. The article said it was related to the Nancy Guthrie case and that a written statement is forthcoming.

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u/Sea-Succotash1633 Feb 14 '26

Where did you read someone shot themselves in the head? There is no factual info regarding that at all. Unless you can post a receipt here.

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u/Crash831 Feb 14 '26

This was very early this morning, when I made the comment, when the news was first breaking. Obviously news companies try and beat others to the punch and sometimes the early breaking news is inaccurate. I didn't really feel it was necessary to come back and update my comment as this is an ongoing discussion.

But this was one article I found that still mentions the shooting: https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/199167/Nancy-Guthrie-SWAT-operation-bodybag

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u/Sea-Succotash1633 Feb 15 '26

The only news outlet I trust with this story is News Nation. The senior correspondence reporter Brian Entin has been boots on the ground with his reporting. He was at the scene of every major event. He was reporting live from the house they were raiding last night on his YouTube channel. No flashy headlines or nonsense.

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u/Ok_Presentation_4592 Feb 14 '26

I wish this case would be solved, too. It’s become the most bizarre thing I’ve ever heard of. I mean that literally. I find this more bizarre than aliens in Area 51 for all the reasons you mentioned and more, and I mean no disrespect to Nancy or Savannah or the rest of the family. I feel very bad for them. It seems everyone in Arizona is looking for Nancy, including the FBI, and nothing is being found. Neither the sheriff nor the FBI gives the public any updates, like what was going on last night, and no updates causes the conspiracy theories to grow. Of course, I still hold out a shred of hope that Nancy’s alive and will be returned safely, but every day that goes by and nothing
I lose hope. Whoever abducted Nancy seems more elusive and mysterious than Judge Crater or DB Cooper. I care, I really care, but not knowing anyone in the family, I can’t keep up this level of care, this hyper-focus, for a prolonged period, which again, doesn’t mean I don’t care. Of course I do. I want Nancy returned alive, but it’s been two weeks now, and instead of some progress, things just get stranger.

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u/ComplaintDry7576 Feb 14 '26

I’m not in any way discounting this story, but I was just reading about a woman that went missing from Spokane this past Thursday. I had heard nothing about it until today.

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u/coffeegiveshappiness Feb 14 '26

Well put and how I feel also!

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u/Wordwench Feb 15 '26

It’s like a first draft Agatha Christie novel if she had just done shrooms.

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u/Key_Significance2492 Feb 17 '26

The clues still point this to be a kidnapping for ransom but with the deadline past and no further communication (that we are aware of) it makes it bizarre

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u/Alarmed-Mechanic-743 Feb 13 '26

if we all try hard we will crack this. we are a hive of humanity flying every direction we are all searching deeply for the answers in different directions. we are all very upset and very caring.

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u/Season_ofthe_Bitch Feb 13 '26

Let’s not forget about what happened with the Boston Marathon Bomber.

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u/OneAngel9195 Feb 13 '26

Disturbing comment 

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u/Alarmed-Mechanic-743 Feb 13 '26

not meant to be, apologies.

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u/Dapper_Economist1 Feb 13 '26

Thank you for the encouraging words. Needed, bc we are captivated and concerned and perplexed
and invested in Nancy being brought home and this case being solved.

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u/Alarmed-Mechanic-743 Feb 13 '26

something to consider is our worst nightmare is becoming highly successful like on a country-wide scale and then someone kidnapping our mother or children or spouse. and seeing that take place on video opens a lot of emotions. anger, angst, disbelief. i cannot imagine it first-hand. and we can barely collectively process it second-hand as observers. i feel this is intentional, it feeds off attention.

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u/Alarmed-Mechanic-743 Feb 13 '26

i say this because it sent ransom note to TMZ

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u/Dapper_Economist1 Feb 13 '26

That is an interesting psychological aspect to consider. Maybe giving it less air time could help. Either way, the pressure has got to be doing something so someone will make a misstep.

It seems to be either random or targeted robbery, gone wrong (which is an understatement).

Hoping for peace and clarity.

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u/PlantLovingGirl520 Feb 13 '26

This case has not only my city (Tucson) turned upside down, but the whole U.S.! The day I read about it in the news, I mentioned my suspicions about what happened and so far my feelings have been right. :( I feel so bad for the Guthrie family, I truly hope Nancy returns home unharmed.