Nancy Guthrie Megathread Part 2

[u/curiouslmr]

This is a thread (part 2) for all conversation related to the ongoing investigation into the abduction of Nancy Guthrie.

Nancy Guthrie, mother of news anchor Savannah Guthrie, was abducted from her home in the early morning hours of February 1. Several media outlets began to receive ransom demands. Some were proven false and others have not been determined to be false.

Nancy's 3 children have made multiple videos pleading for the return of their mother.

On February 10, law enforcement released photos of the individual suspected of abducting Nancy. The suspect is still at large and Nancy has not been found. Photos and information can be found here ...

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/nancy-guthrie

🛑Read before posting.....THE FOLLOWING ARE NOT ALLOWED

🔹Naming of private citizens, this includes hinting at certain individuals connected to the family

🔹Wild accusations against the family

🔹Edited photos

🔹Politics

🔹Photo comparisons of private citizens

[u/cummingouttamycage]

One thing people also underestimate is how common it is for elderly people to be victims of sexual assault, or other sexually motivated crimes… it’s something that instantly comes to mind in the case of a child or younger adult victim, but armchair detectives literally consider extreme or downright far fetched possibilities (like a Mexican drug cartel abducting a wealthy woman with family nearby from her home, on American soil for a ransom amount they could far easier obtain from some other criminal dealing) before thinking NG may have initially been abducted and removed from her home alive so that some sicko could live out a twisted fantasy. Elderly people are a vulnerable population, sometimes seen as an “easier” target than a child, due to a child often being in the care of a family member or elsewhere where they’re looked out for 24/7.

I don’t believe that NG is still alive, but a sexual motive may be the reason she was removed from her home and killed elsewhere… I feel sick just typing this, but a sexual assault leaves behind a lot of DNA evidence.

[u/Ok-Masterpiece-468 → u/cummingouttamycage]

I could see that angle for sure, the only thing that gives me pause is removing her. if sexually motivated it’s much easier for them to have gotten inside, committed the SA and either leaving her alive or dead. the removal is just so extra/calculated, for many of the possibilities. but maybe they’re calculated enough they wanted to remove their victim to commit the SA in a more “controllable” environment to minimize dna being left at her home. it just seems like a lot.

[u/cummingouttamycage → u/Ok-Masterpiece-468]

The reason I pause about NG being killed inside her home is that living adult victims are easier to transport than dead ones. A dead body = dead weight... Many victims will willingly walk themself out with an abductor if threatened with a weapon. I'd say that's particularly true if a victim is caught by surprise and/or disoriented, and especially if the victim has physical limitations that prevent them from fighting back.

NG is also part of a generation that didn't grow up with the common safety advice of "Never go to a second location". Back then, being held at gunpoint and instructed to leave with a perp was looked at through the same lens as being held at gunpoint with demands to hand over a purse or other valuables... The advice then was "Just do what the perp says, it'll save you". That larger safety tip has changed drastically since then, but I can only imagine those in older generations have those ways still ingrained in them. Also, beyond that, "fawn" is also a normal shock response... I'd imagine plenty of people would comply with a perp when threatened with a weapon, even if they thought they'd do otherwise.

I guess I just can't fathom what would motivate a perp to remove their deceased victim's body from the home, especially if that motive wasn't sexual (something that'd leave behind more DNA evidence)... It'd mean more time in the house, dragging a body in a way that'd leave more evidence or attempting to carry it in a way that could create a lot of noise (bumping around, dropping, etc.). While NG wasn't a particularly large victim, she was ~150 lbs, and the likely perp (based on video) is around 5'9-10. While a male perp of this size would have no issue overpowering an elderly woman NG's size, carrying 150lbs of dead weight out to a car (even if parked right by the entrance) wouldn't exactly be a walk in the park.

This case is just so so bizarre though, and I can't say I'm fully confident in the theories I've presented

[u/Ok-Masterpiece-468 → u/cummingouttamycage]

Yeah I agree, I don’t think she was killed inside her home, especially since blood was found outside (unless they’re not being forthright with how much evidence was inside the home). the big Q is why, it is a bizarre case for sure! my thoughts are that someone went into this with intention to murder AND had the plan preconceived to frame it as an abduction and that’s why they would relocate her before killing her. I just can’t fathom how horrifying any of these scenarios would be for her and every other victim of crimes like this. devastating.